Elections California bans voter ID

[shinkyoku]

FYI pretty much every left-leaning stronghold you can think of in Europe, Scandinavia and Canada require some form of identification to vote. Voting without ID is unheard of in most of the world. The narrative that it's some sort of conservative, right-wing plot is a piece of lunacy that only exists in the American political bubble. Just another piece of nonsense the narrative makers get you guys to bicker over endlessly.

All those left-leaning strongholds DO require valid ID.
They also has functioning registers of all their citizens and knows who are allowed to vote (no silly business of having to register to vote before every vote. you are either a citizen or you are not and the state keeps track). There are no issues with people without (or with faulty birth-certificates due to them being wrongly filled out back in the days. errors in spelling and so on, a problem especially affecting blacks) birth certificates and there are no issued IDs that are non-valid. And the IDs are established since generations. The requirement does not pop up just in time for voting day.
Most "leftist" in the US would agree that valid ID is a good idea -IF done properly! Made easily accessible and affordable to everyone without hidden costs, and done so years, decades, before they are a required.
FIRST you make sure everyone have the ID, THEN you start requiring it.

But if you start shouting about something being a problem when requiring this specific type of ID demonstrably benefits you, and the "problem" apparently is 0,007% of unauthorized votes being cast. Then you are just trying to pull a fast one!

"The 11 percent of eligible voters who lack the required photo ID must travel to a designated government office to obtain one. Yet many citizens will have trouble making this trip. In the 10 states with restrictive voter ID laws:

-Nearly 500,000 eligible voters do not have access to a vehicle and live more than 10 miles from the nearest state ID-issuing office open more than two days a week. Many of them live in rural areas with dwindling public transportation options.

-More than 10 million eligible voters live more than 10 miles from their nearest state ID-issuing office open more than two days a week.

-1.2 million eligible black voters and 500,000 eligible Hispanic voters live more than 10 miles from their nearest ID-issuing office open more than two days a week. People of color are more likely to be disenfranchised by these laws since they are less likely to have photo ID than the general population.

-Many ID-issuing offices maintain limited business hours. For example, the office in Sauk City, Wisconsin is open only on the fifth Wednesday of any month. But only four months in 2012 — February, May, August, and October — have five Wednesdays. In other states — Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi, and Texas — many part-time ID-issuing offices are in the rural regions with the highest concentrations of people of color and people in poverty.

More than 1 million eligible voters in these states fall below the federal poverty line and live more than 10 miles from their nearest ID-issuing office open more than two days a week. These voters may be particularly affected by the significant costs of the documentation required to obtain a photo ID. Birth certificates can cost between $8 and $25. Marriage licenses, required for married women whose birth certificates include a maiden name, can cost between $8 and $20. " https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/challenge-obtaining-voter-identification

 

[BreatheSherBro]

This is a bad look for Democrats. It won't matter that much in California but it looks bad for the party as a whole. Short sighted IMO. The optics of it are bad.

Republicans are going to use this against Democrats in other states to make claims of voter fraud. It's just giving Republicans fuel.

 

[idrankyourbeer]

Notwithstanding the obvious issue of fraud, if someone cannot manage to get an ID then I do not believe that they should be voting.

every citizen over the age of 18 has a right to vote. the constitution doesn't say anything about requiring government issued ID to vote. and poll taxes have been outlawed since 1965 via the 24'th amendment.

what part of the constitution do you disagree with?

 

[Islam Imamate]

Well Obama was president for 8 years. Clinton the same. Biden is right now.
Why aren't they doing it?

Election laws are handled at the state level.

More importantly there really isn't much evidence of wide spread voter fraud. The reason the GOP wants voter ID laws is to make it harder for their outgroups to vote and they've admitted as much before.

 

[NickNick]

This is a bad look for Democrats. It won't matter that much in California but it looks bad for the party as a whole. Short sighted IMO. The optics of it are bad.

Republicans are going to use this against Democrats in other states to make claims of voter fraud. It's just giving Republicans fuel.

It's only bad optics if you are too stupid to realize there isn't wide spread voting fraud. How many millions of dollars did Trump and republicans poor into finding evidence of voting fraud and couldn't find shit? Voter ID is about suppressing voters, that's it.

 

[Scerpi]

regardless of you deliberately misreading the words you then reposted, you are trying to make it harder for those people to vote by adding things they need to do and/or spend money on first.

lol.. You need and ID for almost anything in life. And it's one of the more easier things to get. Seriously... try doing anything in life that doesn't require an ID at some point.

If you're such a moron or lazy that you're unable to acquire an ID, then do you think they're going to make an effort to register to vote.

Why is it such a big issue to try to verify that the person voting is actually the person who is registered?... It's like Democrats want voter fraud.

Shouldn't governments push for ways to make elections more secure instead of less?

 

[Renard]

All those left-leaning strongholds DO require valid ID.
They also has functioning registers of all their citizens and knows who are allowed to vote (no silly business of having to register to vote before every vote. you are either a citizen or you are not and the state keeps track). There are no issues with people without (or with faulty birth-certificates due to them being wrongly filled out back in the days. errors in spelling and so on, a problem especially affecting blacks) birth certificates and there are no issued IDs that are non-valid. And the IDs are established since generations. The requirement does not pop up just in time for voting day.
Most "leftist" in the US would agree that valid ID is a good idea -IF done properly! Made easily accessible and affordable to everyone without hidden costs, and done so years, decades, before they are a required.
FIRST you make sure everyone have the ID, THEN you start requiring it.

But if you start shouting about something being a problem when requiring this specific type of ID demonstrably benefits you, and the "problem" apparently is 0,007% of unauthorized votes being cast. Then you are just trying to pull a fast one!

"The 11 percent of eligible voters who lack the required photo ID must travel to a designated government office to obtain one. Yet many citizens will have trouble making this trip. In the 10 states with restrictive voter ID laws:

-Nearly 500,000 eligible voters do not have access to a vehicle and live more than 10 miles from the nearest state ID-issuing office open more than two days a week. Many of them live in rural areas with dwindling public transportation options.

-More than 10 million eligible voters live more than 10 miles from their nearest state ID-issuing office open more than two days a week.

-1.2 million eligible black voters and 500,000 eligible Hispanic voters live more than 10 miles from their nearest ID-issuing office open more than two days a week. People of color are more likely to be disenfranchised by these laws since they are less likely to have photo ID than the general population.

-Many ID-issuing offices maintain limited business hours. For example, the office in Sauk City, Wisconsin is open only on the fifth Wednesday of any month. But only four months in 2012 — February, May, August, and October — have five Wednesdays. In other states — Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi, and Texas — many part-time ID-issuing offices are in the rural regions with the highest concentrations of people of color and people in poverty.

More than 1 million eligible voters in these states fall below the federal poverty line and live more than 10 miles from their nearest ID-issuing office open more than two days a week. These voters may be particularly affected by the significant costs of the documentation required to obtain a photo ID. Birth certificates can cost between $8 and $25. Marriage licenses, required for married women whose birth certificates include a maiden name, can cost between $8 and $20. " https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/challenge-obtaining-voter-identification

Oh no a birth certificate costs between $8 and $25 if you lose it. Black people couldn't possibly come up with that kind of big money. 10 miles? Christ, nobody could travel that kind of distance away from their home. The fact that your ilk thinks these arguments are good is hilarious.

Being part of civic life involves paperwork. Do you have any idea how much paperwork someone has to fill out to just to get their immigration application into Canada accepted? Years' worth of paperwork. You think minorities in Canada are afraid of spending 15 mins getting their ID renewed? That's the easiest shit they've ever done. Apparently you think your minorities are so stupid and inept they can't even do that much.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Republicans keep pushing for voter ID because they know a lot of people in the Democratic base do not have valid ID's.

The scare tactic they keep using is that there is widespread voter fraud or illegals voting - which is simply not true.

Exactly which people in the Democrat base can't get a valid id?

I don't believe that there is widespread voter fraud, but if there isn't fraud then the dems really have no excuse to opose it.

 

[BreatheSherBro]

It's only bad optics if you are too stupid to realize there isn't wide spread voting fraud. How many millions of dollars did Trump and republicans poor into finding evidence of voting fraud and couldn't find shit? Voter ID is about suppressing voters, that's it.

I think Trump lost and claims of voter fraud deciding the election were just a distraction designed to create bitterness and doubt. I don't think Trump really thinks he won. Other high ranking Republicans that know more about polling data than I do think he lost.

Still though, it's not a good look to ban voter ID. There isn't a much of a barrier to getting an ID. If it's a cost thing, then California can make them free for low income people.

 

[Darkballs]

lol.. You need and ID for almost anything in life. And it's one of the more easier things to get. Seriously... try doing anything in life that doesn't require an ID at some point.

If you're such a moron or lazy that you're unable to acquire an ID, then do you think they're going to make an effort to register to vote.

Why is it such a big issue to try to verify that the person voting is actually the person who is registered?... It's like Democrats want voter fraud.

Shouldn't governments push for ways to make elections more secure instead of less?

Next time just write: "I've never read the Constitution."

It gets your point across much faster.

 

[Andy Capp]

so what's with the "banning voter id" law since it's so cheap to get one?

You expected the thread title to be accurate? lol

 

[oldshadow]

Next time just write: "I've never read the Constitution."

It gets your point across much faster.

So your argument is its a poll tax?

My state anyway

"If a voter does not have an acceptable photo ID, they can get one for free from their county board of elections. Learn more at Get a Free Voter Photo ID. Voters can also get a free ID card from the N.C. Division of Motor Vehicles (NCDMV)."

 

[skysolo]

lol.. You need and ID for almost anything in life. And it's one of the more easier things to get. Seriously... try doing anything in life that doesn't require an ID at some point.

If you're such a moron or lazy that you're unable to acquire an ID, then do you think they're going to make an effort to register to vote.

Why is it such a big issue to try to verify that the person voting is actually the person who is registered?... It's like Democrats want voter fraud.

Shouldn't governments push for ways to make elections more secure instead of less?

Great list.

However, only one of the items in that list is in the constitution.

The constitution removes barriers from voting. It doesn't add them.

 

[Rob Battisti]

In practical terms, how does it actually work if you don’t have an ID? Do you just show up and say you are the person and they just let you in to vote? I voted today in Texas and every person there including myself walked up to the person handed them our drivers license and then we voted. I’m not even positive how it would happen without an ID.

 

[fedorthegoat777]

A lot of poorer people don't have valid ID.

How do they buy beer, drive, or get government assistance then? Why would you not have an ID? Wouldn't a free state ID serve to help poor people then? Why would you not want it?

 

[oldshadow]

Great list.

However, only one of the items in that list is in the constitution.

The constitution removes barriers from voting. It doesn't add them.

Free ID is not a barrier. If it wasn't free you might have some kind of argument.

 

[Bwagster]

Republicans keep pushing for voter ID because they know a lot of people in the Democratic base do not have valid ID's.

The scare tactic they keep using is that there is widespread voter fraud or illegals voting - which is simply not true.

This has got to be the dumbest post I’ve read in a while. There is only one reason why they would not want voter ID and that is to cheat. If you don’t possess an ID, your dumbass doesn’t deserve to vote.

 

[Fluffernutter]

Certainly the post office can do do something about this. Every town has one

 

[Cajun]

What do those things have to do with voting?

That is like saying you need to pass a drivers test to be able to buy/drive a car by yourself but you don't need to pass a "firearms" test to be able to buy/use firearms by yourself.

Likely saying that with that in mind.... there are only a small percentage of the population that have the issue..

 

[BFoe]

You know you have a bad argument when you're arguing that there are homeless meth head avid voters out there that are going to be stripped of their innate right to vote because they can't walk to a DMV to get an ID.

If that's where you are in the argument, it's time to maybe do a little self reflection on the issue and realize that these fantasy victims of voter ID that you guys are drumming up just don't really exist.

They certainly exist, and I’ve posted links before about some of those people’s stories (such as this person here and this person here).

What doesn’t exist is any evidence of widespread voter fraud.

I think it’s naive to act like every homeless person can just walk into a DMV and get ID. These often require corroborating documents that these people no longer have and can be difficult to replace (birth certificate, for example, or proof of residency, or passport/W2/utility bill, etc).

A person would need these to replace a lost license, for example, or to get a one of our amazing free ID cards for voting. (They’d also have to surrender their driving privileges to get a free ID because you can’t have both in my state).

We need to be making it easier for people to exercise their right to vote, not more difficult.