Elections California bans voter ID

[Islam Imamate]

But I'm not talking about the fucking vote. Didn't I make this clear enough?!?

How is it wrong if it makes voting more secure as a byproduct (don't know if it's the right term)?

"I only care about the voting angle here.": Yeah. I got that. Fuck people who don't have an ID because I think the vote is secure. You've made it abundantly clear.

Take a deep breathe buddeh, no need to blow a fuse here.

The reason its wrong is because more often than not its not about making the vote secure(there's no reason to think its not secure now which for some reason you keep ignoring) but to make it harder for outgroups to vote as has been admitted in a court of law under the threat of perjury in at least one case. That's why these voter ID laws should be approached with deep skepticism.

If you're saying that you want no changes to voting laws but want a federal photo ID issued to all citizens free of charge then I'm not necessarily against that.

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

I hope someone sues California over this and I hope California tries to argue that constitutional rights don't need an ID to be exercised.

You still don't get it. But not surprising.

 

[sickc0d3r]

Take a deep breathe buddeh, no need to blow a fuse here.

The reason its wrong is because more often than not its not about making the vote secure(there's no reason to think its not secure now which for some reason you keep ignoring) but to make it harder for outgroups to vote as has been admitted in a court of law under the threat of perjury in at least one case. That's why these voter ID laws should be approached with deep skepticism.

If you're saying that you want no changes to voting laws but want a federal photo ID issued to all citizens free of charge then I'm not necessarily against that.

It’s been said already in different ways, but what’s the urgency for these guys? In person voter fraud currently isn’t a problem at all. Why not take your time and roll out a new identification program so people can adapt? There’d be flags all over the place if screeners were finding in significant numbers invalid names on ballots, or duplicate names on ballots, etc, but that’s not the case.
And yet, for some unknowable reason, places like Huntington Beach want to shove new requirements down people’s throats a couple of months before an election. I just can’t put my finger on why that could be.

 

[koquerelle]

Take a deep breathe buddeh, no need to blow a fuse here.

The reason its wrong is because more often than not its not about making the vote secure(there's no reason to think its not secure now which for some reason you keep ignoring) but to make it harder for outgroups to vote as has been admitted in a court of law under the threat of perjury in at least one case. That's why these voter ID laws should be approached with deep skepticism.

If you're saying that you want no changes to voting laws but want a federal photo ID issued to all citizens free of charge then I'm not necessarily against that.

I didn't blow a fuse. I just find your narrow vision sad. You completely ignored, once again, the other reasons a valid ID would be helpful.

 

[koquerelle]

It’s been said already in different ways, but what’s the urgency for these guys? In person voter fraud currently isn’t a problem at all. Why not take your time and roll out a new identification program so people can adapt? There’d be flags all over the place if screeners were finding in significant numbers invalid names on ballots, or duplicate names on ballots, etc, but that’s not the case.
And yet, for some unknowable reason, places like Huntington Beach want to shove new requirements down people’s throats a couple of months before an election. I just can’t put my finger on why that could be.

Read the whole exchange. I'm not talking about the vote.

 

[ssBaldy]

Voting without ID is idiotic, no matter how you put it.
If your govt tells you you need a separate voter ID, and more to say you need to pay for it, they are idiots and are unfit for their job.

This is true no matter what party you support.

 

[WhiteMousse]

I'm too lazy to go through all this. Someone tell me if they actually did ban voter id or if this is just rage bait

 

[oldshadow]

I'm too lazy to go through all this. Someone tell me if they actually did ban voter id or if this is just rage bait

From the state.

"This bill would prohibit a local government from enacting or enforcing any charter provision, ordinance, or regulation requiring a person to present identification for the purpose of voting or submitting a ballot at any polling place, vote center, or other location where ballots are cast or submitted, as specified."

If you don't ask for ID then anyone can vote even if they legally aren't eligible to vote. No way to enforce so there is no crime. The democrats way.

Just like if you couldn't ask for ID to buy alcohol then there is no way prevent minors from buying it. Since there is no way to prove they were a minors when they bought it there is no crime. Which leads to the statistics that show no minors are buying alcohol so there is no need to have ID to buy alcohol because there is no problem.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

to be fair, i said "in the bank" as a euphemism for having savings, many probably aren't in banks. that said, ID's expire. you don't need to continually have valid ID to have a bank account

Most (if not all) states that have voter ID offer it free of charge.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.elections.virginia.gov/media/archive/voter-photo-id/VoterPhotoIdApplication.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjLj5uwlaeJAxVC5MkDHZ3QNugQFnoECBsQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1IumyDuggq-4SGPSyou0mv

 

[PainIsLIfe]

It's right there in the 1st Amendment. Use that big brain of yours.

It gives us the right to vote, right? Still with me?

Now where in the Constitution, does it say anything about my government first requiring me to provide a special little voter ID before I get to use my god given right? Because I don't see anything.

Which begs the most elementary of questions: How is it not an infringement to require me to do so?

This is basic ConLaw 101. You want to work around it, you either just straight up provide these ID's at no cost or hassle to every citizen in your district; or, show us actual evidence of voter fraud which you think justifies this infringement.

The burden isn't on us, the people, to prove that getting an ID is too big a deal. It's on the State to prove that an infringement, even one you think is slight, is justified. This is at the core of our Constitution.

And I know you'll trash your own rights the second you think it gives you a slight political advantage, but that doesn't mean the rest of us need to join you on your knees.

That must be the same place where they keep my right to buy a gun without providing a special little id.

Also, it is free.
https://www.elections.virginia.gov

 

[PainIsLIfe]

IDs aren't free in my state.

Even if they were, it would still be a barrier to voting because you would still have to get it in the first place.

Not that I doubt you, but I can't find any states with voter id that don't provide it free. Which state are you in?

 

[Islam Imamate]

I didn't blow a fuse.

You seemed upset to me as evidenced by your crass language but alright.

But I'm not talking about the fucking vote. Didn't I make this clear enough?!?

How is it wrong if it makes voting more secure as a byproduct (don't know if it's the right term)?

"I only care about the voting angle here.": Yeah. I got that. Fuck people who don't have an ID because I think the vote is secure. You've made it abundantly clear.

I just find your narrow vision sad. You completely ignored, once again, the other reasons a valid ID would be helpful.

I didn't ignore it though, what I said was that my issue is with the the voter ID laws and how they're used to suppress the vote. If separate from that issue you feel that the US government should issue photo IDs free of charge to citizens I wouldn't be opposed to that. What is wrong with my take here in your view?

 

[Sinister]

Voting without ID is idiotic, no matter how you put it.
If your govt tells you you need a separate voter ID, and more to say you need to pay for it, they are idiots and are unfit for their job.

This is true no matter what party you support.

It depends on what you consider "ID" in some places. I did early voting here in Nevada and they had direct access to the database of registered voters. They asked my name and last 4 of my SS#. They did signature verification. In California they do the same thing, same as in many other States, but you won't hear any raging against the Republican Governors who oversee States that dont require an ID card, like Nevada's Governor. And while there were MAGAtards outside screaming at people, they were mostly screaming about how Trump's winning and they're gonna get THEIR Country back...none of them were yelling about people's ID's, at least not while I was there. Though it wouldn't surprise me if that did happen on the actual election day.

First time voters have to show ID but there are acceptable forms like a passport, student ID with name and picture, Driver's License, State ID. Basically anything you had to use a social security number or valid DL/ID number to acquire. And I've said this before but for everyone freaking out about undocumented people voting in CA, first of all they're not going to have those documents (hence, undocumented) except under the program that gets them the Driver Licenses that are categorized as "not a valid I.D." which will be in the database. Undocumented immigrants literally have no real means to register to vote, and dont want to be locked into databases that can be used against them with forged documents because not only is that a prison sentence, but a deportation with a felony conviction on the record as well. I know people in here are brainwashed to think all undocumented immigrants are just criminal miscreants with no regard for any laws, but the fact is most would rather avoid all that.

 

[Andy Capp]

It's only bad optics if you are too stupid to realize there isn't wide spread voting fraud. How many millions of dollars did Trump and republicans poor into finding evidence of voting fraud and couldn't find shit? Voter ID is about suppressing voters, that's it.

To be fair, they did find something, tens of thousands of additional votes for Biden

 

[Andy Capp]

Every one of those "arguments" goes away if the Voter IDs were free.

And easy to obtain. That second part is key to the Republican strategy.

 

[oldshadow]

It’s impressive how the Republican Party has managed to convince people that infringing on people’s voting rights is in fact a GOOD thing.

But if you mention something like mandatory background checks, a national gun registration requirement, or gun licenses, they freak out and scream “but da constitution!!”.

Let's compare the amount of restrictions on the 2nd versus voting.

The left is all for that but and restrictions on voting and they scream "but da constitution".

 

[oldshadow]

And easy to obtain. That second part is key to the Republican strategy.

Its easy in my state. I gree it should be in every state. Easy if you meet the minimum requirements.

Then that ID should be enough to exercise your 2nd amendment also.

Good enough to vote with good enough buy a gun.

 

[Sinister]

Let's compare the amount of restrictions on the 2nd versus voting.

The left is all for that but and restrictions on voting and they scream "but da constitution".

If you dont understand the difference between a vote and a gun, and you're going to conflate the two because either you feel salty about perfectly reasonable gun regulations (which the right itself specifically says "well-regulated"), and even saltier about people you dont like having easier access to deciding who Governs their lives as citizens, then you're the kind of voter people actually should be worried about and not the brown ones who actually cant vote.

 

[Lycandroid]

From the state.

"This bill would prohibit a local government from enacting or enforcing any charter provision, ordinance, or regulation requiring a person to present identification for the purpose of voting or submitting a ballot at any polling place, vote center, or other location where ballots are cast or submitted, as specified."

If you don't ask for ID then anyone can vote even if they legally aren't eligible to vote. No way to enforce so there is no crime. The democrats way.

Just like if you couldn't ask for ID to buy alcohol then there is no way prevent minors from buying it. Since there is no way to prove they were a minors when they bought it there is no crime. Which leads to the statistics that show no minors are buying alcohol so there is no need to have ID to buy alcohol because there is no problem.

nobody is stupid enough to not get this, the guys in this thread continuing to argue how this is a good thing are pathetic.

 

[oldshadow]

If you dont understand the difference between a vote and a gun, and you're going to conflate the two because either you feel salty about perfectly reasonable gun regulations (which the right itself specifically says "well-regulated"), and even saltier about people you dont like having easier access to deciding who Governs their lives as citizens, then you're the kind of voter people actually should be worried about and not the brown ones who actually cant vote.

So only rights you like should be supported which explains why you don't understand what "well regulated" mean in the 2nd.

Then you don't understand what "shall not be infringed" means.

If ID is good enough for one right then it should be for another. I never said there can be no restrictions on the 2nd the same as on voting.