Elections California bans voter ID

[lsa]

I will actually be going down to the police and get an ID this Friday, prob take hours and I will pay approx 50USD for it.

 

[RoastBeast]

I don't think that's the argument. Notice I said at registration and not when casting the ballot. If you're arguing that citizens should have to identify themselves when registering that's not controversial, as far as I know that's the norm across the country. Its requiring the ID every time you vote that some have an issue with and specifically how these laws allow some IDs and not others and often include other measures unrelated to IDs like reducing early voting and Sunday voting and same day registration and out of precinct voting.

I know it's not the argument but it's just funny to see people twist themselves up into a pretzel over it when it's required in the first place.

I don't agree with making it extra difficult by only allowing certain forms of identification. They should make it simple where someone just has to prove they're an American citizen by whatever IDs prove that and move on.

 

[andnowweknow]

Get help... And stop quoting my posts...

Settle down.

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

It's an inalienable right for American citizens to vote but there also needs to be some sort of proof that the person voting is an American citizen.

The 2nd amendment guarantees the right to bear arms but in order to purchase one, we have to provide identification that proves we are an American citizen of adult age to access that right.

Then every state and DC should change their state laws to provide ID cards to every 18 year old citizen free of charge, including renewals. Otherwise it's simply an unconstitutional poll tax which is prohibited by the 24th amendment. No comparison to the 2A is needed.

As long as any state or DC charge it's citizens to obtain or renew ID, voter ID laws are and will continue to be an unconstitutional poll tax. End of discussion, it's that simple. It doesn't matter if the cost to obtain an ID is $0.01. It's still unconstitutional.

Anyone who is pro-voter ID card and pro-US Constitution should be contacting their state representatives and pushing for a repeal of any costs associated to ID cards. Otherwise they are just blowing smoke IMO.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

Why doesn't that logic apply to anything else that requires an ID?

why do guys who preach about the constitution, or at least use it to backbone every one of their talking points, always forget about it when it comes to voting rights?

either you want democracy or you don't. if you want democracy, then everyone should be able to vote as easily as possible. everyone gets a say. that's democracy.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

The 2nd amendment guarantees the right to bear arms but in order to purchase one, we have to provide identification that proves we are an American citizen of adult age to access that right.

you absolutely do not have to be an american citizen to buy a gun in america. that's just categorically false. you can't be an undocumented non-citizen, but you can absolutely be a non-citizen.

 

[Sinister]

Other things that require ID like driving and purchasing alcohol aren't inalienable rights like voting are.

My view is if it ain't broke, don't fix it and especially not when the people who want to "fix it" are really just interested in suppressing the vote.

The reality is that US national elections are, if anything, way harder to rig compared to the elections of other democratic countries because organizing elections is a state prerogative and so with each state having its own set of rules its virtually impossible to carry out mass voter fraud across state lines in anyway that would change the outcome of the election.

The idea that we have any significant, widespread voter fraud in this country is a myth. Conceding to this kind dishonesty is not good and shouldn't be done merely out of a misguided sense of fairness to both sides. If compelling evidence of widespread voter fraud due to an exploit in the system arises then things change but until then these initiatives should be viewed with suspicion.

I mean we could be voting with fingerprint verifications through our phones. Or a one-time use security code verification system. But right wingers would have heart attacks if we actually made voting easier for everyone.

 

[CantCucktheTuck]

I hope someone sues California over this and I hope California tries to argue that constitutional rights don't need an ID to be exercised.

 

[My Spot]

I hope someone sues California over this and I hope California tries to argue that constitutional rights don't need an ID to be exercised.

Well you missed the Shertifa memo. Requiring a paid ID to own a gun is fine and dandy but requiring voter ID is racist.

 

[koquerelle]

Other things that require ID like driving and purchasing alcohol aren't inalienable rights like voting are.

My view is if it ain't broke, don't fix it and especially not when the people who want to "fix it" are really just interested in suppressing the vote.

The reality is that US national elections are, if anything, way harder to rig compared to the elections of other democratic countries because organizing elections is a state prerogative and so with each state having its own set of rules its virtually impossible to carry out mass voter fraud across state lines in anyway that would change the outcome of the election.

The idea that we have any significant, widespread voter fraud in this country is a myth. Conceding to this kind dishonesty is not good and shouldn't be done merely out of a misguided sense of fairness to both sides. If compelling evidence of widespread voter fraud due to an exploit in the system arises then things change but until then these initiatives should be viewed with suspicion.

But it is broken. You're completely rejecting it because you dislike Republicans. Stop looking at the vote for a second. Look at life in general. Having a free, valid ID will help millions of people. Proving who you are in a job interview, being recognized by the government, etc.

How can you be against that?

 

[oldshadow]

The left wants no restrictions on the rights they feel good about but plenty on the rights they don't like.

On the rights they want restrictions on the scream the constitution means no restrictions "just read what it says".

Then on the rights they want restrictions on its " the constitution allows some restrictions it's not absolute".

 

[CantCucktheTuck]

Well you missed the Shertifa memo. Requiring a paid ID to own a gun is fine and dandy but requiring voter ID is racist.

I'll meet them halfway and just agree to abolish the NFA.

 

[My Spot]

The left wants no restrictions on the rights they feel good about but plenty on the rights they don't like.

On the rights they want restrictions on the scream the constitution means no restrictions "just read what it says".

Then on the rights they want restrictions on its " the constitution allows some restrictions it's not absolute".

Well it's just like the supposedly pro choice crowd who wants to restrict the choice women have in arming themselves.

 

[Islam Imamate]

But it is broken.

How is it broken?

You're completely rejecting it because you dislike Republicans. Stop looking at the vote for a second. Look at life in general. Having a free, valid ID will help millions of people. Proving who you are in a job interview, being recognized by the government, etc.

How can you be against that?

No, I'm skeptical of it because they've admitted in court that its about restricting the ability for blacks to vote.

 

[CantCucktheTuck]

How is it broken?

No, I'm skeptical of it because they've admitted in court that its about restricting the ability for blacks to vote.

equality goes both ways.

 

[koquerelle]

How is it broken?

No, I'm skeptical of it because they've admitted in court that its about restricting the ability for blacks to vote.

I've already answered you first question. Twice. Having an ID is very useful and the government should help those who can't get one.

You're once again only looking at the vote and -I was going to say dismissed, but it's not even that- you ignored everything I said.

 

[Islam Imamate]

I've already answered you first question. Twice. Having an ID is very useful and the government should help those who can't get one.

Great but that doesn't demonstrate there's anything wrong with the voting system as is.

You're once again only looking at the vote and -I was going to say dismissed, but it's not even that- you ignored everything I said.

I only care about the voting angle here. If you're saying that the government should issue a general ID to all citizens free of charge I'm not necessarily against that but that's never what these voting ID laws look like in practice.

 

[koquerelle]

Great but that doesn't demonstrate there's anything wrong with the voting system as is.

I only care about the voting angle here. If you're saying that the government should issue a general ID to all citizens free of charge I'm not necessarily against that but that's never what these voting ID laws look like in practice.

But I'm not talking about the fucking vote. Didn't I make this clear enough?!?

How is it wrong if it makes voting more secure as a byproduct (don't know if it's the right term)?

"I only care about the voting angle here.": Yeah. I got that. Fuck people who don't have an ID because I think the vote is secure. You've made it abundantly clear.

 

[RoastBeast]

you absolutely do not have to be an american citizen to buy a gun in america. that's just categorically false. you can't be an undocumented non-citizen, but you can absolutely be a non-citizen.

Ok so a non citizen can buy a gun. Either way it's the right of the American people to be able to bear arms, yet you have to provide identification to do so. The logic applies to both guns and voting yet left wingers are only mad about one and not the other.

 

[My Spot]

Ok so a non citizen can buy a gun. Either way it's the right of the American people to be able to bear arms, yet you have to provide identification to do so. The logic applies to both guns and voting yet left wingers are only mad about one and not the other.

Well keep in mind, you're talking to someone who wants all guns banned.