Cain Velasquez Trial for Attempted Murder Expected to Begin in January

[AZ103]

He would be in prison for even longer if had murdered the guy he was trying to shoot. Murder vs attempted murder. We have laws and the justice system for a reason.

Doubt it. But thanks for your opinion

 

[mudrubble]

I get your point.
But the difference isn't as big as you think (according to the law). Shooting at someone is attempted murder. And that gets prison time.

If there's a "like" button there should be the opposite.
It's terrifying that some poor soul will read your post, believe it, and make his life even worse.

I would say that any poor soul who reads a troll post on an internet forum that says he should try to "reframe" his attempt murder charge as theft is someone who is better off with his life getting worse. At least to the point that he learns that he deserves what he gets for being so stupid and irresponsible with his freedom.

Should we be protecting this kind of person (by not writing troll posts) or pouring out our heart for them? I think that kind of person needs MORE exposure to unserious and troll posts, and not LESS.

I guess if someone said "eat shit and die, asshole" we would worry about the terrifying situation of the idiot who will believe he can and should eat shit with his asshole and die from it?

I don't spend my time worrying about these far-fetched hypothetical actions by utter idiots. Do you really worry about this my man?

 

[Normot]

This thread very clearly sets apart those who are able to think rationally and logically even amidst a terrible situtation vs those who just fly off the handle emotionally without knowing all the facts or without even thinking of the consequences. It's very clear there are 2 parties in this debate.

You have the
"You can't go around shooting people in public, chasing them down, putting innocents at risk no matter what the situation"
vs
"Child Molester was accused......do anything and everything you want to chase and shoot anyone related to the accused person b/c they are probably guilty too!"

People say they would or wouldnt aren't necessarily the ones who would or wouldnt. Plenty of guys think they are calm who would break and become incapable of rationality. Plenty of guys who think they would grab a gun would break and become puddles incapable of action.

All I can do is be sympathetic to Cain and his family. What a horrible situation.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

Doubt it. But thanks for your opinion

You're factually wrong, no opinions needed. Laws are separated into degrees and have on paper guidances for incarceration time.

Murder is bad, mmkay?

 

[AZ103]

You're factually wrong, no opinions needed. Laws are separated into degrees and have on paper guidances for incarceration time.

Murder is bad, mmkay?

He would have to be convicted. He would be less likely to convicted if he killed the man in a private manner. It's not rocket science. People have sympathy for his cause not his course of actions, a certain type or person is likely to change that opinion if the situation is more like I described previously. There are cases like this that have happened, I'm sure you know that.

 

[Paul E Gensinger]

I would say that any poor soul who reads a troll post on an internet forum that says he should try to "reframe" his attempt murder charge as theft is someone who is better off with his life getting worse. At least to the point that he learns that he deserves what he gets for being so stupid and irresponsible with his freedom.

Should we be protecting this kind of person (by not writing troll posts) or pouring out our heart for them? I think that kind of person needs MORE exposure to unserious and troll posts, and not LESS.

I guess if someone said "eat shit and die, asshole" we would worry about the terrifying situation of the idiot who will believe he can and should eat shit with his asshole and die from it?

I don't spend my time worrying about these far-fetched hypothetical actions by utter idiots. Do you really worry about this my man?

Well...not enough to write such a long post ...

 

[Stixx]

Ripping the guy apart with his bare hands would put him in prison for even longer. The reality of the situation is that the best thing he could have done for his kid is absolutely nothing. I hope some of the hotheads in this thread including yourself seriously think about that. Think about what is best for your children and do that. Just because you have balls and testosterone isn't an excuse for not using your head. Because of Cain's actions his kid not only got molested but is going to spend possibly years without a father. Is attempting street justice worth hurting your own children?

How did you miss my point that it’s his children that are going to suffer from this?
You’re jumping to a lot of conclusions about me and what I think. I have kids myself, and I definitely agree with what you’re saying. Based on your post you seem a bit more hotheaded than me, though. My point was that Cain did something, and yes it was stupid, but kicking someone’s butt would not have been worse for him than the seven or eight charges he is now facing. I painted it differently, but I didn’t literally mean that he should have torn the guy into little pieces.

 

[clutchCAT420]

War Cain..

 

[GordonMMARamsey]

This is absolute nonsense. He will be sharing a 6×8 cell with another criminal instead of raising his kid. He's not a hero.

You never even answered the question. What would an intelligent and caring father do? Shoot up a car and go to prison or not do that and be there for your children and family when they need you? Why do you think being a male requires you to act like an idiot?

No way man. He'll think "My Dad's not wasting away in a jail cell 2 hours from here. He's off defending freedom, saving lives, and fighting wars."

 

[GordonMMARamsey]

He would have to be convicted. He would be less likely to convicted if he killed the man in a private manner. It's not rocket science. People have sympathy for his cause not his course of actions, a certain type or person is likely to change that opinion if the situation is more like I described previously. There are cases like this that have happened, I'm sure you know that.

Do you mean like the John Eisenman case? His daughter was trafficked by her boyfriend. He tracked down the boyfriend, asked to meet up. Murdered him, stuff his body in the trunk of the boyfriends car and stashed it near some woods. It seems to be going really well for John.

Edit: Seems to be going well for his wife as well.
https://www.krem.com/article/news/c...sted/293-0ff971e9-604d-4016-9a14-7b4cde12704d

 

[chimpoehurricane]

Temporary insanity plea and 2 yrs probation for missing. <Lmaoo><45>

Cain bless.

 

[mudrubble]

Well...not enough to write such a long post ...

Ah, you just worry enough to critique using few words. I can dig it. I'm the opposite - I think and write quickly and I'm verbose. But I don't worry about idiots such as you mention. I think they have waaaaay bigger challenges than my trolling on a forum. It sounds like you agree. Cool then.

 

[achoo42]

Ever heard of innocent until proven guilty, or should we just run with the TV narrative?


American law? He has not even had a fkn trial!

Just once, forget the TV and let the facts come out at trial!

Neither did the guy who he shot at. What if it turns out it was a false accusation all along, and nobody was molested?

That's why both guys need a trial. Then you dispense justice accordingly. You don't go shooting (and missing) at people you think did something wrong.

 

[Dionysian]

It’s the truth! My parents have done much worst than what he did and got off with probation.

No offense but I don't believe you man. Your parents did worse than attempted murder... and had it undisputed and corroborated by multiple witnesses... then went to trial and were given probation after being found guilty?

 

[BROWNPRIDE]

No offense but I don't believe you man. Your parents did worse than attempted murder... and had it undisputed and corroborated by multiple witnesses... then went to trial and were given probation after being found guilty?

It was a typo and I just fixed it. I meant many parents

 

[Lee_]

Facts are undeniable, and the fact is, Cain is screwed. Unless he pleads guilty in a plea deal for lesser time, he is going away for a long time. CA is not lenient on this as some are trying to say; there are other states that are far better for getting away with (attempted or otherwise) murder.

Consider the facts:
California Penal Code Sections 664 and 187 provide a straightforward definition of attempted murder as follows:

“The attempted unlawful killing of another person, or a fetus, with malice aforethought.”

This definition requires further explanation as attempted murder law is complex. In order for the Los Angeles County prosecutor to convict you of attempted murder, they must be able to prove, two critical elements of the crime under CALCRIM 600 Jury Instructions:

• You took a “direct step” toward killing someone (Provable that Cain did this)
• You specifically intended to kill that person (ditto)

So, what exactly is a “direct step?” It’s more than just a plan to murder someone, rather it’s the next step in putting your plan into some direct action. In other words, a direct step can be just about any type of actual behavior that puts your plan into motion, such as firing a weapon at someone or stabbing them with a knife. Additionally, your direct step must have actually been an attempt to kill a specific person, not just to injure them.

An attempted murder crime is committed as soon as you take that deliberate step.

Now regarding his sentence, Cain has zero chance without a plea deal of even making second degree, this is clearly premeditated and therefore is first degree attempted murder, so here we go:
Under California Penal Code Section 664/187, the legal penalties for an attempted murder conviction typically carry about one half of the sentence you would have received if you had completed the crime. A conviction for attempted murder is always a felony offense and is broken down into 2 distinct degrees, including first-degree and second-degree attempted murder.

If you are convicted of first-degree attempted murder, meaning your attempt was deliberate and premeditated, you could face a sentence of life in a California state prison with the possibility of parole. If your attempt was against law enforcement or fireman engaged in their duties, it’s the same sentence, but you will have a mandatory minimum 15 years in prison.

If you are convicted of second-degree attempted murder, meaning your attempt wasn’t deliberate and premeditated, you could face a sentence of 5, 7, or 9 years in a California state prison. A conviction for either degree could result in other penalties such as a large fine, victim restitution, and loss of your gun rights.

So yeah, not good for Cain's freedom.

 

[kalabula]

Hope he can make it. He’s cornering now.

 

[CedricBee]

My word, I dont know how you guys can be wrong and do so, so confidently. Like, don't get me wrong it's not the topic that bothers me it's the utter pride in your ignorance that has me lost for words.

Let's get something out of the way first.

philia isnt a form of sexual activity. philia is an attraction to pre pubescent minors and the fact that you can not or refuse to distinguish between philia and child molestion(a variation of sexual assault) only supports what I was saying.

philia is a sickness and a sickness that can be but isnt cured because those with that sickness are not encouraged to come forward and seek help. And the end result is kids suffer because of it.

These people need to be cured and rather you like it or not, objecting to that puts more kids at risk. It's something you're not willing to acknowledge because the thought of caring for their mental well being makes you angry. What matters more the safety of children or your feelings of rage?

It’s been long enough. Tempers have presumably cooled. For those of us who understand that normalizing MAP, philia, etc; opens the door to normalizing rape as a sexual attraction, rather than a criminal act, here’s another outlet. I’m done debating my stance on Cain’s trial, the link below brought me back to this particular topic, and the hope that there’s a silent majority who understands that the Left wants to glorify sexuality beyond the point of reasonableness.

 

[TheTribalQueef]

It’s been long enough. Tempers have presumably cooled. For those of us who understand that normalizing MAP, philia, etc; opens the door to normalizing rape as a sexual attraction, rather than a criminal act, here’s another outlet. I’m done debating my stance on Cain’s trial, the link below brought me back to this particular topic, and the hope that there’s a silent majority who understands that the Left wants to glorify sexuality beyond the point of reasonableness.

My temper was never high I still don't understand what you don't comprehend about what I'm saying. I never said normalize ped0philia dude. I simply said to make it to recognize it as the sickness that it is and allow people to come foreward and seek help with their illnesses without trying to lynch them. That is the key to fixing the problem. Scaring people into staying silent doesn't help the ped0phile or bring the instances of child abuse down. People who are ped0philes need to address their problem that way they can seek help instead of letting the problem fester to the point where they give into their urges.

 

[CedricBee]

My temper was never high I still don't understand what you don't comprehend about what I'm saying. I never said normalize ped0philia dude. I simply said to make it to recognize it as the sickness that it is and allow people to come foreward and seek help with their illnesses without trying to lynch them. That is the key to fixing the problem. Scaring people into staying silent doesn't help the ped0phile or bring the instances of child abuse down. People who are ped0philes need to address their problem that way they can seek help instead of letting the problem fester to the point where they give into their urges.

You KO’d who? Decency.

Go back to your dream world of funneling tax dollars so would be child molesters can form support groups (NOT victims, but the actual would be molesters). You think tolerance for MAP- I mean sick freaks will help the situation? Stricter laws, encouraging victims to come forward, and less pointless Witch-hunting (Gruden’s emails leading to wasteful civil trials, Spain soccer coach going to a wasteful trial, etc)

You drop non-correlating gifs; I drop correlating links