Brock if he had trained MMA in Russia after college and stayed healthy, GOAT?

[kingmob6]

mma is so great because you can't fake it. it's why someone like rogan, who would have loved to have been an mma fighter, couldn't make it. someone like brock did okay due for the most part because of his size, strength, and wrestling skill. once brock had to display aspects of being an mma fighter, he deteriorated.

rogan wasn't trying to make it in mma, his path took him somewhere else. It was in infancy during his hayday, let's be honest. Brock started deteriorating due to a variety of factors, including health most likely due to long-term steroid abuse.

 

[HHJ]

All the size, skill and he couldn't take a punch.

He could take a punch. He just never got conditioned to know what to do when he got popped. So his only option was to run to try and recover. They had to rush him and keep him confident. Very abnormal career.

 

[IIIIIIII]

rogan wasn't trying to make it in mma, his path took him somewhere else. It was in infancy during his hayday, let's be honest. Brock started deteriorating due to a variety of factors, including health most likely due to long-term steroid abuse.

well, rogan said himself he had terrible striking and was getting headaches so quit. i guess that means he quit any aspect of fighting where you get hit in the head. with brock, i mean innately he wasn't a fighter. it's the simple fight vs. flight reaction. mma fighters fight, while brock would have chosen flight. that's more what i mean.

 

[HHJ]

Brock is the perfect example of why not every top athlete can make it in fighting. Lots of things are different about MMA, like you get punched in the face. Not everyone can handle that.

He made it just fine. Won the belt. Defended it.Hed still be around if he didn't have WWE to go to. I agree with your premise in general but Brock made it.

 

[mkt]

All the size, skill and he couldn't take a punch.

He took more punches from Carwin (one of the hardest-hitting HWs ever) and still won the fight.

 

[13Seconds]

I don't know but no version of Brock beats Cain that night.

 

[MaulingMyClown]

Lmfao at a guy that' didn't like getting punched in the face being the GOAT

 

[kingmob6]

well, rogan said himself he had terrible striking and was getting headaches so quit. i guess that means he quit any aspect of fighting where you get hit in the head. with brock, i mean innately he wasn't a fighter. it's the simple fight vs. flight reaction. mma fighters fight, while brock would have chosen flight. that's more what i mean.

terrible striking? No, he said that he was competing in a taekwondo tournament, and hurt an opponent really bad, and went into a depression from that and had to rethink his career path. I do remember that. in 1997, Joe Rogan was already 30 years old, there was no path for him to be an mma fighter, I don't think you really understand that. And the stuff about Brock not being a fighter...that's also bs. He won the belt, so there was definitely a fighter in him. He was just beat up physically, and already well off financially to keep fighting for another chance. His illness was serious, as he was abusing steroids from a young age.

 

[IIIIIIII]

terrible striking? No, he said that he was competing in a taekwondo tournament, and hurt an opponent really bad, and went into a depression from that and had to rethink his career path. I do remember that. in 1997, Joe Rogan was already 30 years old, there was no path for him to be an mma fighter, I don't think you really understand that. And the stuff about Brock not being a fighter...that's also bs. He won the belt, so there was definitely a fighter in him. He was just beat up physically, and already well off financially to keep fighting for another chance. His illness was serious, as he was abusing steroids from a young age.

rogan said both what i said, and what you said. he's all over the place. brock won the belt despite not being a fighter. if you're getting your ass kicked, of course you're going to fight back. you'd fight back. i'd fight back. anyone would.

i'm talking fighting more in an occupational sense. like if given a choice of what to do in life, brock wouldn't choose mma. i think he thought he'd try it, and realized it's not for him. doesn't mean in his heart he was a fighter. he saw an interesting opportunity to make money and did.

 

[Thesnake101]

People give Brock a lot of shit for his inability to take a punch, yet he ate some bombs from heavy hitters. He didn't know how to handle getting swarmed on, and would turtle up... but I almost guarantee if he had more striking training before jumping in, that wouldn't have been an issue.

People learn how to deal with getting hit, no reason he wouldn't have.

Hasn't it been said before that in Death Clutch he didn't let people hit him? He would have never learned to not panic under fire because, much like several fighters with bad habits/lack of skill in a certain area, he did not want to improve on that.

 

[Clark Rogers]

Hasn't it been said before that in Death Clutch he didn't let people hit him? He would have never learned to not panic under fire because, much like several fighters with bad habits/lack of skill in a certain area, he did not want to improve on that.

And how does that apply to this imaginary discussion of what Brock could've been if he'd started training striking earlier in life like more traditional fighter career paths?

 

[blaseblase]

We just making up random fantasy scenarios now? What is your obsession with Brock?

What if Ngannou was a foreign exchange student and went through the D1 wrestling system?

 

[MarioLemieux]

rogan wasn't trying to make it in mma, his path took him somewhere else. It was in infancy during his hayday, let's be honest. Brock started deteriorating due to a variety of factors, including health most likely due to long-term steroid abuse.

diverticulitis is not caused by anabolic steroid abuse... you're thinking of antinflammatory steroids like predisnone which is not the same thing.

 

[kingmob6]

diverticulitis is not caused by steroid abuse

I beg to differ. Many gut issues come from steroid abuse. It has happened to quite a few users.

According to medical research, steroid use, particularly long-term high doses, can be considered a risk factor for developing diverticulitis, as it can weaken the intestinal wall, making it more susceptible to perforation and complications from existing diverticula; essentially, steroid abuse can increase the likelihood of developing a more severe form of diverticulitis due to its immunosuppressive effects.

 

[MarioLemieux]

I beg to differ. Many gut issues come from steroid abuse. It has happened to quite a few users.

According to medical research, steroid use, particularly long-term high doses, can be considered a risk factor for developing diverticulitis, as it can weaken the intestinal wall, making it more susceptible to perforation and complications from existing diverticula; essentially, steroid abuse can increase the likelihood of developing a more severe form of diverticulitis due to its immunosuppressive effects.

corticosteroids are linked, not anabolic steroids.

Corticosteroids are a potential risk factor for mortality in patients with perforated diverticular disease, due to blinding of disease severity, hampered wound healing or adrenal insufficiency.

 

[joy2day]

He made it just fine. Won the belt. Defended it.Hed still be around if he didn't have WWE to go to. I agree with your premise in general but Brock made it.

I suppose you could say that. It wasn't a championship that was sustainable though; I was talking about the reason he couldn't parlay his athleticism into being this dominant champ. As I had mentioned, Cain was at about the same experience level when he wrecked Brock.

 

[dominion]

Genetics wise he had a chance, but overall goat it's hard to say because he was roiding too.

 

[Xuh]

Probably yes, because if he went to Russia he'd start taking PEDs like everyone in Russia does all the time. Imagine what effects PEDs would have had on his already impressive physique!

 

[Pequeño Corey]

Why train in Russia? He could have rolled with Hammer House or Quest. Or for a real fun thought experiment, Chute Boxe.

 

[MarioLemieux]

Probably yes, because if he went to Russia he'd start taking PEDs like everyone in Russia does all the time. Imagine what effects PEDs would have had on his already impressive physique!

Jon Jones juice program... Brock is just a stronger specimen and it gave him a big boost.