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I've only seen a few segments but I don't get why a large portion of young Americans worship John Oliver.
 
Concrete said:
I've only seen a few segments but I don't get why a large portion of young Americans worship John Oliver.
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He's actually been pretty incredible so far. That show has been better than 60 Minutes this year as an investigative television news magazine.

Well, then, but hell....frankly 20/20 has been better than 60 Minutes this year.
 
Kirku said:
Your ignorance on how the EU works from a legislative point of view is staggering.

From reading your posts, it's pretty clear that you've gladly accepted everything the Leave campaign has said without bothering to critically analyse any of them.

1) MEPs have no power.
2) Voting Leave would give British people 'more power'
3) The EU is undemocratic
4) Immigrants are an economic drain
5) Britain's economy is better off outside the EU

All of these things have been debunked time and time again. The failing of democracy is that an utterly ignorant vote such as yours will count the same as someone else who has actually bothered to objectively analyse the claims by both sides.
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1. You're right, MEPs don't have any power, EU parliament is a talking shop. And they all get paid more than the British PM in salaries for "representing us" in parliament.

2. More power to control our own country? Yes.

3. No, worse than that, the EU is anti-democratic.

4. Immigration is good for "the economy" (big business), but not good for British people. House prices increase, wages decrease ... I want a government that serves the interests of the Briyish electorate.

5. Could be. Who really knows? The economy is low on my list of priorities when it comes to this vote.
 
don't really care either way re: brexit but it bothers me a lot that John does so much political propaganda in his show. Just shamelessly showing video footage of people saying bad things to immigrants and black people and then associating these people with brexit, because why discuss real arguments when you can just strawman and poison the well a fucking lot?

I'm sure some people excuse his way of portraying the opposition as 'jokes', but those are more than jokes. the humor is there just so you watch his propaganda all the way. I think it's a shame because John Oliver is very talented and this format works really well with him.
 
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It's not petty, it's indicative of his disdain for the country. Guys like Yiannopolis praise the US and its core values because they truly admire the country, even with its faults. Oliver does not admire the country for what makes it different. He is a European with a European mindset and wants the US to be a European-like state in North America. Only then will he like the country, generally speaking.

Yiannopolis and McInnes, also two native Britons (though the latter is a naturalized Canadian), do not want this. They embrace America for how it is, not how it could were it Europeanized, whereas Oliver is an outsider seeking to change it. Once again, clear difference, and it's not just a matter of "forgetting" a few words.
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You have yet to explain what you base that assesment on. I have not seen a single indication of John Oliver hating America's core values. He dedicates his time to find faults in the political system, communicate those faults with a great deal of research behind it, and adds his comedy style to it.

I'm not very familiar with those two you mention. I have only seen Yiannopolis linked by MRA's, and saw him briefly on Joe Rogan podcast, I was not impressed. I have no idea why you think he embraces the U.S more than John Oliver. I don't think there's any doubt that John Oliver is 100 times the valuable citizen than Yiannopolis is.
You have a guy dedicated to tweeting boner material to MRA's and "triggering" college feminists, and then you have a guy who is committed to substantial analysis and debate about faults in the political system, while providing quality entertainment. I know who I would want in my country. Yiannopolis entire portfolio on Breitbart doesn't even meet a fraction of the research that is behind one segment in Last Week Tonight, not that that is saying much.

I guess we have a different view on what it means to be patriotic. I'll take criticism, debate and improvement over unquestionable support any day.

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If you haven't see Oliver insulting the people of America, not just policies, then I don't know what to say other than you haven't seen much of his show. Lucky you.

No, I'm not going to go searching for episodes. Despite your repeated accusations otherwise, I am not hypersensitive to this, and for that reason, I don't care enough to do that much work. I'll just continue thinking Oliver is an ungrateful cunt that should leave. Maybe Denmark could use a talentless douchey foreigner to criticize them. Why don't you start that petition up after all.
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You have yet to give me any examples of these apparent insults to 50% of the country.
Well, I don't think he's talentless or douchey at all. I think he seems like a very sympathetic person, and he's great at comedy. So yes, if he wanted to do segments on my country I would certainly support it. As I said before, I think every country needs a show like his. Unfortunately not a lot of people gives a fuck what is happening in my country.

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Did he praise the US or did he praise leftists for not blaming Muslims? Did he turn it into a gun control thing and point out how evil right-wingers are at the root of this problem? Somehow I doubt he was playing The Great Uniter here.
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Lol, another great example of your hypersensitivity. My god you're paranoid.
No he applauded the people of Orlando for coming together and giving blood, and he stated that people coming together across differences in religion, sexuality and ethnicity was the true essence of America.

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Lol...cry themselves to sleep, eh? Someone made a thread about this douche and I commented with some harsh words. Yeah, totally similar to what leftists are doing, which is attacking people, having speeches cancelled, having college Presidents fired, people's lives ruined, etc.

Don't worry, John Oliver truly doesn't keep me up at night. But if I see his name mentioned, I'll throw a few choice words his way. That's the difference between the left and right at the moment: we criticize the other and leave it at that. The left criticizes and then tries to ruin people's lives.
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I had no idea you were this engulfed in the populist lowbrow right wing movement. You're actually on board with that shit, jesus christ.
 
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Madmick said:
Yet there is never reward without risk.
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The leave supporters have yet to coherently showcase what that reward should be. They have also yet to showcase what the risk of staying is.

Their supporters are usually basing their decision on ignorance or paranoia (or both). There are a few educated leave supporters/campaigners, but their motivations are hard to pinpoint. They're main argument seems to be that they can create something better, but have great difficulty in showcasing how and why.

The primary issue the few educated leave supporters have, seems to be the inclusion of east european and southern european nations (wage dumping, criminals abusing the Schengen, and "charity" for the poorer nations), and some aspects of the EU commission. This is where a simple cost/benefit analysis would be beneficial imo. But I think it's quite clear that they weigh their conservative/right wing emotions higher than economic rationality and statistical reality.
Not that there is anything wrong with that per se, but there are very few who are honest about it. That's what I primarily take issue with. That they are reeling in the mouthbreathers with manipulative campaigns (pictures of muslims and the text "breaking point", for example), that has nothing to do with the leaving or staying in the EU, or are just plain lies.
 
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^ Well, apparently he predicted the last black friday pretty accurately...

By the by, I'm now off to read up on the 1992 UK currency crisis.
 
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So what did Oliver get wrong or misrepresent about the arguments in favour of a Brexit or those for remaining?
All I see are accusations of "shill", knee jerk nationalism and emotional reactions which confirm his arguments.
 
Beckham has been paid to make a statement on the EU vote. I saw a while ago he was being groomed and moulded into being an establishment celeb puppet. It doesnt matter if its the EU, scottish independence , gay marriage ,etc..... he makes some statement that the elite want.
 
Everytime I watch CNBC someone is talking about how Britain can't leave the UK
 
Any neutral voters in Britain wants to call this debate play-by-play today??
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Tuesday, June 21: BBC's Referendum Debate hits Wembley Arena

What time is it? 8pm BST

Where do I watch it? BBC One

Who's taking part? Mayors past and present - Boris Johnson and Sadiq Khan - will clash for Leave and Remain.

For In: Sadiq Khan, Ruth Davidson, Frances O'Grady

For Out: Andrea Leadsom, Gisela Stuart, Boris Johnson

What's the format? This will be Britain's biggest-ever campaign event hosted by David Dimbleby, Mishal Husain and Emily Maitlis in a 12,500-seater arena. Thousands of voters are being invited - and some of them will get a chance to question the key figures.
 
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Paul Joseph Watson attacks the "Brexit is divisive and promoting hatred" idiots.

 
People who hate Jon Oliver crack me up. Butthurt conservatives mad that a brit's show knows more about current politics than they do imo. I've never seen anyone from the right (Thames did earlier in this thread) properly correct topics Oliver discusses. To say he (or more correctly, his team) is ill informed is just silly. Most of the shit Oliver touches on shouldn't even be a partisan issue, its just common fucking sense.

On topic though, I never saw this weeks episode yet, will later tonight. I'm largely ignorant of implications of the UK leaving the EU.
 
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So what did Oliver get wrong or misrepresent about the arguments in favour of a Brexit or those for remaining?
All I see are accusations of "shill", knee jerk nationalism and emotional reactions which confirm his arguments.
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Thats all it ever is with haters of Oliver. As I said in the post above, nobody every really provide valid counter arguments in the weekly Oliver thread. Its just hes a weasle, hes a shill, etc etc.
 
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