BREAKING: Donald Trump Jr.’s Russia emails shake the presidency ***UPDATE: Gowdy Excoriates Trump***

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I haven't even stated a position. Answer the question or there is no point in us conversating
More needs to be revealed to see if this is treason but just conspiring to commit a crime is criminal.
Don't play innocent you support trump
 
Dude, context.

You set up this question with zero context, just transactions.

Is that a fuckin' Straw Man?


I don't know because I don't know shit about that stuff, but even so, it seems a lot like a fuckin' straw man.

We all understand the context here. I had to remove the Trump factor to get his pea brain working.
 
Wow. So many words that dont amount to jackshit. Aren't Sadmick and Cubic Zirconia Jim tired of LARPing and playing make believe?

She worked for Russia 14 years ago. Ohhhh. She met with Obama a few days later. No crime.

More nonsense and slander from desperate delusional crybabies. As usual, nothing will come of this except for LARPers faking outrage over nothing.

Keep wasting your energy by all means. I will continue to sit back and laugh.
 
@WiolentOne raises a wonderful point. This is a highly important question to ask. I hope they probe it in great depth in coming days. For the American people to be enlightened with greater specificity it is critical that our media explores it in more depth.

Did Donald Trump Jr. Break the Law?

The answer could come down to a provision in campaign-finance regulation.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/07/trump-jr-russia-email/533304/
The Atlantic said:
With the disclosure of a June 2016 email in which he welcomed direct assistance from the Russian government to help his father’s campaign, Donald Trump Jr. leapt Tuesday from the frying pan of political danger into the fire of potential legal peril.

The president’s eldest son became a central figure in questions about interference in last year’s election after The New York Times revealed Monday that he met with a Russian lawyer after learning she had damaging information to offer about Hillary Clinton. In an email setting up the meeting, Rob Goldstone, a British music publicist who’d met Trump Jr. at a Moscow beauty pageant four years earlier, indicated that the information came from the Russian government.

The Crown prosecutor met with [musician Emin Agalarov’s] father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.

This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump.

Trump Jr. replied with interest to what Goldstone’s associates had to offer. “If it’s what you say I love it especially later in the summer,” he wrote. He eventually met with Natalia Veselnitskaya, a lawyer Goldstone linked to the Russian government in a later email, on June 9, 2016. He was accompanied by his brother-in-law Jared Kushner, now a top adviser to the president, and the campaign’s then-chairman, Paul Manafort.

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What If It's All True?


From Trump Jr.’s account to the Times, the meeting was a bust. Veselnitskaya purportedly offered no useful information about Clinton’s candidacy. Instead, she shifted the conversation to the Magnitsky Act, an American law that sanctions top Russian officials for their alleged role in human-rights abuses, and Russian adoptions to American parents, which were suspended by Russian President Vladimir Putin in retaliation for Congress passing the law in 2012. For now, however, it matters less that the meeting wasn’t fruitful and a great deal more that it happened in the first place.

Most of the political discussion surrounding the Russia investigation has focused on the question of “collusion”—whether anyone associated with the Trump campaign coordinated with the Russians to help get the president elected. But that’s not a relevant legal term in this context. Instead, a better way to view this matter may be through the lens of campaign finance. Federal law prohibits foreign nationals from contributing any “thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any [federal] election.” The statute also says no American shall “knowingly solicit, accept, or receive” any “contribution or donation” from a foreign national in connection with an election.

The legal significance could also extend beyond the president and his son.
Does that apply to any Trump campaign actions when it comes to Russia? Bob Bauer, a former White House counsel during the Obama administration, noted in a Just Security article on Friday that Congress passed the law following a foreign-donations scandal in the 1996 presidential election. He argued that Special Counsel Robert Mueller, who’s leading the Justice Department’s probe, could potentially bring charges against the president himself for public comments he made during the campaign—including his July 2016 call for Moscow to find and release 33,000 deleted emails from Clinton’s private email server. Trump could claim the Constitution protected his remarks on the campaign trail, Bauer pointed out, with one catch.

“This First Amendment defense is at least at the mercy of whatever facts are still uncovered about the extent of any ‘collusion,’” he wrote. “But even with just a little more in the way of fact, with the addition of detail to an already well-established outline, the Trump campaign’s position is precarious. How strongly does the First Amendment protect a presidential nominee’s mobilization of foreign government support for his candidacy—support achieved through illegal activities?”

More to the point Tuesday is whether Trump Jr. could be vulnerable under this federal election provision. “Those regulations define contributions to include ‘anything of value,’ and I would expect dirt on one’s opponent during a presidential election to qualify easily,” Chiraag Bains, a Harvard Law School fellow and former federal prosecutor, told me. “After all, campaigns often pay handsomely for such information. There could also be related exposure, such as conspiracy or obstruction, depending on what additional facts come out.”

Rick Hasen, a University of California, Irvine, law professor who specializes in election law, wrote that the Goldstone email exchange was “pretty close to the smoking gun people were looking for.” The president’s son “appears to have knowledge of the foreign source and is asking to see it,” he added, noting that “such information can be considered a ‘thing of value’ for purposes of the campaign finance law.”

Other legal minds contacted by The Washington Post and HuffPost had a similar assessment. “The conversation will now turn to whether President Trump was personally involved or not,” Jens David Ohlin, associate dean of Cornell Law School, told the Post. “But the question of the campaign’s involvement appears settled now. The answer is yes.” Trump spokesman Mark Curello said in a statement Monday that the president “was not aware of and did not attend the meeting” in June.

But the consensus was far from universal. “Ambiguities in criminal statutes are supposed to be resolved against criminalization,” Stephen Duke, a Yale University law professor, told Vox. “That is especially so where the statute allegedly punishes the receipt of information. If receiving information that Hillary was being helped by the Russians is a crime, so, too, would be receiving information that the Russians were helping Trump in the election.”

The legal significance could also extend beyond the president and his son. Stephen Vladeck, a University of Texas law professor, told me that the emails may be valuable for federal investigators looking into Kushner and Manafort. Both men have come under scrutiny in recent months for their Russia-related business dealings and their contacts with Russian officials during and after the campaign. According to the Times, government officials first learned of the June meeting when Kushner updated an incomplete form he had submitted to obtain a security clearance. The final email in the chain released by Trump Jr. shows him forwarding the entire conversation with Goldstone to Kushner and Manafort.

“If the emails are probative of anything, it’s of any sworn statements [Trump Jr.], or others, might have made to federal investigators or on paperwork signed under penalty of perjury, where the meeting might either have been omitted or mischaracterized,” Vladeck said. Lying to federal investigators during an investigation is a felony offense.
 
We all understand the context here. In essence, my post highlighted the exact nature of what transpired.

Context is that Trump Jr. and the highest members of Trump's campaign invited help from an antagonistic country to sway the election and undermine the democratic process?

Why is that not a big deal? You're not giving the "essence" of what happened, you're grossly rephrasing what happened to push a narrative.


You know that. I know that. Everyone on this board knows that.
 
So just to be consistent with your views on Hillarys case you also dont believe Trumps corruption should be discussed right?

Just looking for some consistency here, you nincompoop.
What are babbling about? You know what I don't care. You guys are children. If trump tried to give away north Carolina to Russia you'd defend it
 
Wow. So many words that dont amount to jackshit. Aren't Sadmick and Cubic Zirconia Jim tired of LARPing and playing make believe?

She worked for Russia 14 years ago. Ohhhh. She met with Obama a few days later. No crime.

More nonsense and slander from desperate delusional crybabies. As usual, nothing will come of this except for LARPers faking outrage over nothing.

Keep wasting your energy by all means. I will continue to sit back and laugh.

nah brah, this is high-quality entertainment.

you enthusiastically elected a dumbass thinking a miracle would transpire.

#maga
 
Context is that Trump Jr. and the highest members of Trump's campaign invited help from an antagonistic country to sway the election and undermine the democratic process?

Why is that not a big deal? You're not giving the "essence" of what happened, you're grossly rephrasing what happened to push a narrative.


You know that. I know that. Everyone on this board knows that.
In what way did they undermine the democratic process? We still have no evidence they hacked the DNC. Even if it was them, how is them hacking the DNC/Hillary undermining the democratic process? Then, how do you get from that to it being Trumps fault?

Whole lot of nothing burgers.
 
Context is that Trump Jr. and the highest members of Trump's campaign invited help from an antagonistic country to sway the election and undermine the democratic process?

Why is that not a big deal? You're not giving the "essence" of what happened, you're grossly rephrasing what happened to push a narrative.


You know that. I know that. Everyone on this board knows that.
For example, they could have conspired and coordinated a strategy wherein they urged (or possibly even aided) the Russians to hack bodies like the DNC and the computers (issued or privately owned) of other American government employees in order to mine for damaging material to Clinton, and also directed the Russians to launder this "counter-intelligence", as Trump's own top intelligence officials have described it, through Wikileaks, and specifically to distribute it drip by drip in a fashion that would prove not earnestly noble with regard to pure transparency, but that would have a deliberate, maximized political impact against one of our nation's two ruling parties.

If Trump accepted money, or perhaps made promises conducive to Russians that he could influence from the position of President, then this could prove to be possibly the greatest political scandal in American history: greater than Watergate, Iran Contra, the Teapot Dome Scandal, the Credit Mobilier scandal, the Whiskey Ring, or anything involving a President and his penis.
 
In what way did they undermine the democratic process? We still have no evidence they hacked the DNC. Even if it was them, how is them hacking the DNC/Hillary undermining the democratic process? Then, how do you get from that to it being Trumps fault?

Whole lot of nothing burgers.

LARPers gonna LARP.

This is nothing. No crimes were commited. It is funny seeing Hillary supporters angry about a meeting with someone that worked for the Russian gov 14 years ago.

These are the same phonies that were fine with Hillary selling influence to Saudi etc as well as paying protesters to cause violence and busing people across state lines to vote.

They have the nerve to feign outrage about this? Too good.
 
LARPers gonna LARP.

This is nothing. No crimes were commited. It is funny seeing Hillary supporters angry about a meeting with someone that worked for the Russian gov 14 years ago.

These are the same phonies that were fine with Hillary selling influence to Saudi etc as well as paying protesters to cause violence and bussing people accross state lines to vote.

They have the nerve to feign outrage about this? Too good.
Are you aware that Hillary isn't the topic of this thread?

Cliffs: get over it. She lost.
 
Context is that Trump Jr. and the highest members of Trump's campaign invited help from an antagonistic country to sway the election and undermine the democratic process?

Why is that not a big deal? You're not giving the "essence" of what happened, you're grossly rephrasing what happened to push a narrative.


You know that. I know that. Everyone on this board knows that.


I know im a bit radical but in my view its our duty to be open to information about corrupt politicians regardless of the source. Campaigns should be exposing the shit out of eachother. My only concern would be if the information is accurate. I don't care if the info came from NK.

Also, just fyi, factual information doesnt undermine the democratic process - it reinforces it.
 
Wow. So many words that dont amount to jackshit. Aren't Sadmick and Cubic Zirconia Jim tired of LARPing and playing make believe?

Keep wasting your energy by all means. I will continue to sit back and laugh.


You are not sitting back and laughing. You can tell from your passive aggressive language that you are shook.

No defense, just the usual trite insults.
 
What law was broken?


You people are so dumb it hurts. The evidence is all over the place.

There is no fucking way if this was a democrat, Obama or Hillary you wouldn't be calling for their scalps.

I see your posts here. I know exactly how you would feel if it was reversed.

Trump already obstructed justice and the republicans won't act on it. They're spineless
 
I know im a bit radical but in my view its our duty to be open to information about corrupt politicians regardless of the source. Campaigns should be exposing the shit out of eachother. My only concern would be if the information is accurate. I don't care if the info came from NK.

Also, just fyi, factual information doesnt undermine the democratic process - it reinforces it.

I can't agree with that because you ignore one principle to exalt the principle that emerges from the action.

There's something else here...

I can see it.

But whatever, you seem not too much like an idiot so I'll just live and let live and find someone else to shit talk to.
 
I find it interesting how many leftists here are so anti-information.

Interesting yet not surprised.
 
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