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Analysis: Donald Trump Jr.’s Russia emails shake the presidency
The subject of this thread is the full text of those emails, not the meeting itself which has its own discrete mega-thread already. Donald Jr. only assented to publish them on Twitter after The New York Times threatened to publish them in full themselves anyway:
Read Donald Trump Jr.'s emails seeking sensitive information about Hillary Clinton from Russia
Here is the full text of those emails:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...nformation-hillary-clinton-russia/468394001/#
***EDIT UPDATE***
A man whose name has become synonymous with integrity in Washington, and who had ultimately folded in to support Trump for the GOP, Trey Gowdy, the successor to Jason Chaffetz in South Carolina's 4th District, who chaired the House Benghazi committee that exposed Hillary Clinton's disastrous shenanigans there, who currently sits on the Committee on Ethics, and who also chairs the Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, has taken a hard stand by casting himself in caustic moral reproach of the Trump administration following these new developments:
Gowdy fumes at Trump administration over latest Russia controversy
First the meeting involving Trump Jr., Kushner, and Manafort was exposed by the New York Times , for which we've already been given three different explanations by Trump Jr., and now we have a separate development with these emails concerning the revelation of his intent to collude preceding the meeting.USA Today said:For a year, Donald Trump and everyone associated with him — his family, his strategists, his vice president, his official spokesmen and himself — indignantly have insisted there was nothing at all to the "disgusting" and "phony" and "outrageous" suggestions that Team Trump had anything to do with Russians who might have been trying to meddle in America's election.
But on Tuesday, the basic elements of collusion within President Trump's closest circle were detailed in black and white in a string of emails to and from Donald Trump Jr. In them, a former Trump business partner offered to act as the go-between with a senior Russian government official offering dirt on Democratic opponent Hillary Clinton.
"I love it," the president's oldest son replied within a few minutes.
It's always the emails, right?
The blockbuster disclosure in the wake of The New York Times' scoops about the Trump Tower meeting in June 2016 undercut the credibility of all those denials by Trump Jr. ("lies") and Trump Sr. ("fake news" and "a hoax") and everybody else. It stokes the most serious questions about improprieties in a presidential election in more than four decades, when the Watergate scandal forced Richard Nixon to resign.
Now the iconic Watergate question looms over this scandal: What did the president know, and when did he know it?
Read more:
Donald Trump Jr. reveals emails promising ‘sensitive information’ from Russia to help campaign
Congressional Republicans deflect, dodge and downplay Donald Trump Jr.'s meeting with Russian attorney
Timeline: Donald Trump Jr.'s interactions with Kremlin-linked lawyer
For what it's worth, Mark Corallo, a spokesman for the president's private legal team, said Trump Sr. wasn't aware of the meeting. White House deputy press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said the president had learned of the meeting only "in the last couple of days." Alan Futerfas, Trump Jr.'s private lawyer, released a statement saying, "His father knew nothing about it."
The president himself wasn't providing much illumination. "My son is a high-quality person, and I applaud his transparency," Trump said in a statement, read by Sanders without elaboration at the White House briefing Tuesday. (Trump Jr. had posted the emails on Twitter, albeit only after The New York Times had told him they were about to publish them.)
But Trump Sr. hasn't put himself within shouting distance of a reporter since he returned from the G-20 summit in Germany on Saturday. While he has deployed his favored means of communication on a range of topics — posting tweets that mourned those killed in the crash of a military plane in Mississippi, declared that he was "working hard" to land the Olympics for Los Angeles, and denounced Democratic "obstructionism" in the Senate — they pointedly didn't include the subject in the headlines.
The eclectic cast of characters in the unfolding story sounds almost comic: Rob Goldstone, a British-born publicist who was friends with Emin, a Russian pop star who is the son of Aras Agalarov, a real-estate tycoon who got to know Trump when he brought the Miss Universe contest to Moscow in 2013. (The Times notes Agalarov is sometimes called "the Donald Trump of Russia.")
Then there's Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya, said to be close to Yury Yakovlevich Chaika, the prosecutor general of Russia who was appointed by President Vladimir Putin.
Which gets us back to the beginning: In his original email, Goldstone wrote, "The Crown prosecutor of Russia [presumably a reference to Chaika] met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father."
Six days later, Trump Jr. was sitting down with Veselnitskaya. He brought along his brother-in-law, Jared Kushner, as well as his father's top political strategist at the time, Paul Manafort.
The reason the emails are so stunning is that so much is stated plainly: Goldstone was offering campaign dirt from the highest ranks of the Russian government. And Trump Jr. was eager to hear all about it.
One more thing: Trump Jr. and Manafort, at the least, have known all about that for more than a year, despite their flat denials. So did Kushner, now one of the most influential senior advisers within the White House. He already has been forced to revise the disclosure reports he had to submit to get his security clearance.
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Donald Trump Jr. looks on as his father speaks at a caucus night watch party on Feb. 23, 2016, in Las Vegas. (Photo: Ethan Miller, Getty Images)
In response, congressional Democrats expressed shock. Congressional Republicans mostly kept silent. And Vice President Pence, in a statement by press secretary Marc Lotter that tried to put some distance between him and the furor, said that he was "not focused on stories about the campaign, particularly stories about the time before he joined the ticket."
Much remains unknown, including exactly what the damaging information might have been, or what happened to it. But the U.S. intelligence community months ago unanimously concluded that Moscow had meddled in the election, with the goal of defeating Clinton and electing Trump.
That said, the disclosures are accelerating at a speed unknown during Watergate. Then, more than two years would pass between the initial burglary of Democratic offices and the release of the "smoking gun" White House tape that prompted Nixon's resignation. There had been months of public hearings by the Senate Watergate Committee.
This time, Trump is still a week away from marking his six-month anniversary in office.
This controversy has created a cloud over his presidency that threatens to overshadow everything else. There's little attention to what White House officials saw as a landmark speech in Poland and a Syrian ceasefire negotiated in Germany last week. The White House seems unable to propel its legislative agenda, including the signature promise to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act, through a stalemated Congress.
And it is now almost impossible to imagine that Trump will be able to curtail the investigation by special counsel Robert Mueller, appointed after the president fired FBI director James Comey, no matter where that inquiry goes.
Just what will Mueller find?
The subject of this thread is the full text of those emails, not the meeting itself which has its own discrete mega-thread already. Donald Jr. only assented to publish them on Twitter after The New York Times threatened to publish them in full themselves anyway:
Read Donald Trump Jr.'s emails seeking sensitive information about Hillary Clinton from Russia
USA Today said:In the exchange, Goldstone, who set up the meeting, told Trump Jr. that Russian government officials could provide incriminating information about his father's Democratic rival Hillary Clinton through Russian pop musician Emin Agalarov. The emails, which Trump Jr. released on Twitter, appear to show Trump Jr. welcomed the information and accepted a meeting with Russian attorney Natalia Veselnitskaya.
Here is the full text of those emails:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...nformation-hillary-clinton-russia/468394001/#
Crumb by crumb the "fake news" is slowly piecing together the truth, and the shape it's taking is that Trump is a criminal on par with Nixon.USA Today said:June 3, 2016 10:36 a.m.
Rob Goldstone to Donald Trump Jr.
Subject: Russia - Clinton - private and confidential
Good morning
Emin just called and asked me to contact you with something very interesting.
The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.
This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump - helped along by Aras and Emin.
What do you think is the best way to handle this information and would you be able to speak to Emin about it directly?
I can also send this info to your father via Rhona, but it is ultra sensitive so wanted to send to you first.
Best
Rob Goldstone
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June 3, 2016 10:53 a.m.
Donald Trump Jr. to Rob Goldstone
Thanks Rob I appreciate that. I am on the road at the moment but perhaps I just speak to Emin first. Seems we have some time and if it's what you say I love it especially later in the summer. Could we do a call first thing next week when I am back?
Best,
Don
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June 6, 2016 12:40 p.m.
Rob Goldstone to Donald Trump Jr.
Hi Don
Let me know when you are free to talk with Emin by phone about this Hillary info - you had mentioned early this week so I wanted to try to schedule a time and day
Best to you and family Rob Goldstone
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June 6, 2016 3:03 p.m.
Donald Trump Jr. to Rob Goldstone
Rob could we speak now?
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Donald J. Trump Jr.
Executive Vice President of Development and Acquisitions The Trump Organization
725 Fifth Avenue | New York, NY | 10022
[whited out] | trump.com
June 6, 2016 3:37 p.m.
Rob Goldstone to Donald Trump Jr.
Let me track him down in Moscow
What number he could call?
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June 6, 2016 3:38 p.m.
Donald Trump Jr. to Rob Goldstone
My cell [whited out] thanks
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Donald J. Trump Jr.
Executive Vice President of Development and Acquisitions The Trump Organization
725 Fifth Avenue | New York, NY | 10022
[whited out] | trump.com
June 6, 2016 3:43 p.m.
Rob Goldstone to Donald Trump Jr.
Ok he's on stage in Moscow but should be off within 20 Minutes so I am sure can call Rob
This iphone speaks many languages
June 6, 2016 2:38 p.m.
Donald Trump Jr to Rob Goldstone
Rob thanks for the help
D
June 7, 2016 4:20 p.m.
Rob Goldstone to Donald Trump Jr.
Don
Hope all is well
Emin asked that I schedule a meeting with you and The Russian government attorney who is flying over from Moscow for this Thursday.
I believe you are aware of the meeting - and so wondered if 3pm or later on Thursday works for you?
I assume it would be at your office.
Best
Rob Goldstone
This iphone speaks many languages
June 7, 2016 5:16 p.m.
Donald Trump Jr. to Rob Goldstone
How about 3 at our offices? Thanks rob appreciate you helping set it up.
D
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June 7, 2016 5:16 p.m.
Rob Goldstone to Donald Trump Jr.
Perfect...I won't sit in on the meeting, but will bring them at 3pm and introduce you etc.
I will send you the names of the two people meeting with you for security when I have them later today.
best,
Rob
June 7, 2016 6:14 p.m.
Donald Trump Jr to Rob Goldstone
Great. It will likely be Paul Manafort (campaign boss) my brother in law and me. 725 Fifth Ave 25th floor.
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June 8, 2016 10:34 a.m.
Rob Goldstone to Donald Trump Jr.
Good morning
Would it be possible to move tomorrow meeting to 4pm as the Russian Attorney is in court until 3 i was just informed.
Best
Rob
This iphone speaks many languages
June 8, 2016 11:15 a.m.
Donald Trump Jr. to Rob Goldstone
Yes Rob I could do that unless they wanted to do 3 today instead... just let me know and ill lock it in either way.
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Donald J. Trump Jr.
Executive Vice President of Development and Acquisitions The Trump Organization
725 Fifth Avenue | New York, NY | 10022
[whited out] | trump.com
June 8, 2016 11:18 p.m.
Rob Goldstone to Donald Trump Jr.
They can't do today as she hasn't landed yet from Moscow 4pm is great tomorrow.
Best
Rob
This iphone speaks many languages
June 8, 2016 12:03 p.m.
Donald Trump Jr. to Jared Kushner and Paul Manafort
Subject: FW: Russia - Clinton - private and confidential
Meeting got moved to 4 tomorrow at my offices.
Best,
Don
Donald J. Trump Jr.
Executive Vice President of Development and Acquisitions The Trump Organization
725 Fifth Avenue | New York, NY | 10022
[whited out] | trump.com
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Donald Trump Jr. reveals emails promising ‘sensitive information’ from Russia to help campaign
Timeline: Donald Trump Jr.'s interactions with Kremlin-linked lawyer
Rob Goldstone, publicist who organized Trump Jr.'s Russia meeting, outspoken on social media

***EDIT UPDATE***
A man whose name has become synonymous with integrity in Washington, and who had ultimately folded in to support Trump for the GOP, Trey Gowdy, the successor to Jason Chaffetz in South Carolina's 4th District, who chaired the House Benghazi committee that exposed Hillary Clinton's disastrous shenanigans there, who currently sits on the Committee on Ethics, and who also chairs the Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, has taken a hard stand by casting himself in caustic moral reproach of the Trump administration following these new developments:

Gowdy fumes at Trump administration over latest Russia controversy
Amen, Trey. That's why I cast my protest vote for you last November.Politico said:House Oversight Chairman Trey Gowdy lashed out at the Trump administration Tuesday over the “drip, drip” in the ongoing Russia controversy, sarcastically suggesting that officials get checked for amnesia about any contacts with Russia.
The South Carolina Republican first appeared on Fox News Tuesday night expressing concerns about email traffic showing that Donald Trump Jr. was not only aware that the Russian government was gathering intelligence on Hillary Clinton to help his father’s election, but that he also knowingly met with a Kremlin-backed lawyer claiming to want to share incriminating documents with the Trump campaign.
“If you had a contact with Russia, tell the special counsel about it! Don’t wait until the New York Times figures it out!” an exasperated Gowdy said in a brief interview outside the Capitol Tuesday.
Gowdy said the “somebody needs to sit everybody down” to find out what happened.
"Someone needs to get everyone in a room and say, from the time you saw 'Dr. Zhivago' until the moment you drank vodka with a guy named Boris, you list every single contact with Russia," Gowdy said, referring to the 1965 movie.
Gowdy, however, maintained his long-held argument that it’s Justice Department special counsel Bob Mueller’s job — not his — to probe the matter. The chairman has said he and his Oversight panel will not interfere or overlap with Mueller in any way.
“Congress is not the place to litigate legal issues,” he said Tuesday.
Gowdy, frustration evident, suggested the Russia matter has become a distraction for Hill Republicans.
“I don’t want to talk about it at all,” he admitted.
“There is a political component to it, which is: Here you are in mid-July asking me about Russia, and it’s not your fault that you’re doing it, but that’s how another week is starting here, so that’s a political concern,” he said. “You’re not here to ask me about infrastructure or tax reform or anything about that.”
Gowdy said he couldn’t tell if the email traffic was proof that something illegal had occurred, such as collusion. He said all the facts needed to be gathered and “you’ve got to interview the witnesses” first.
“There is no way to make that conclusion … on the face of that email,” he said.
Gowdy is helping lead the House Intelligence Committee’s probe of Russia’s interference in the election and whether there was any collusion between Moscow and Trump aides. But he said he’d never seen the email.
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