Supplements BPC 157 and TB 500

[DEVILsSON]

Taking gear and lifting 700 gonna injure you more than you complained about already. Gear makes you stronger but the weight is still the weight

Me too

Again, I have never taken 'gear'.

I have used peptides like BPC/tb500 starting a few years ago to not be a literal cripple after a slew of injuries.

I have yet to surpass anything I've lifted twenty years ago while taking these peptides. I have videos at two different police stations circa 2008-2009 deadlifting 715 & 745lb while I was still a probationary officer(so you know I wouldn't be doing something that would get me canned).

There's no me too for you. I don't use emojis nor do I make racist jokes about your real or perceived background.

You should focus your energy to unfuck your knees and get stronger.

 

[sleepwalk]

Yes TB500 will speed up soft tissue healing. However if you have existing cancer it can make it very aggressive and atypical. I found out the hard way.

Geez! Sorry to hear and hope all is well.

 

[DEVILsSON]

Geez! Sorry to hear and hope all is well.

All is good bro. I had to have a procedure to remove very aggressive skin cancer but it was a bit disfiguring. But that's life. I still take these peptides on occasion.

I now take high dose melatonin in part to mitigate cancer risks. I take 3g daily. It's not easy to do if you live in one of the many countries where it's heavily restricted. For such a high dose you need to get pure powder on Amazon or elsewhere.

 

[tigersmoosh]

stay off the drugs guys

your body can make all the peptides it needs

quit promoting magic pills that (may) cause terrible aggressive cancer

 

[tigersmoosh]

cancer may be caused by lymphatic blockage or by chronic excessive lactic acid levels.

I wonder if your style of training contributes to cancer devilsson?

for health we need clear healthy mindset, natural meat and maybe herbs

no to drugs

 

[DEVILsSON]

cancer may be caused by lymphatic blockage or by chronic excessive lactic acid levels.

I wonder if your style of training contributes to cancer devilsson?

for health we need clear healthy mindset, natural meat and maybe herbs

no to drugs

I am not sure I understand. What is my style of training?

BPC and TB are produced in the body.

You seem to be speculating about things you don't know. We know increasingly more about how cancer forms and it's not that. There's actually new research that just came out on condensates and phase separation.

Phase separation and transcriptional regulation in cancer development - PMC

Liquid-liquid phase separation, a novel biochemical phenomenon, has been increasingly studied for its medical applications. It underlies the formation of membrane-less organelles and is involved in many cellular and biological processes. During ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41388-022-02195-z

 

[tigersmoosh]

this is an extremely reductionist study. maybe it represents progress by focusing on liquids instead of genes - but I'm not going to read it in depth because it's a waste of time.
the scientific establishment won't allow threats to the paradigm that sells trillions in radiation, drugs (chemo), and surgery. not to mention lucrative tax funded research positions.
cancer is a hugely profitable industry and is being deliberately built up and maximized for long-term profits, in my opinion

by style of training I mean a lifestyle with little physical/outdoor activity coupled with heavy lifts with a strong eccentric component. I don't know if that's your program but I suspect that type of pattern promotes cancer due to muscle damage and lactic acid creation

 

[DEVILsSON]

this is an extremely reductionist study. maybe it represents progress by focusing on liquids instead of genes - but I'm not going to read it in depth because it's a waste of time.
the scientific establishment won't allow threats to the paradigm that sells trillions in radiation, drugs (chemo), and surgery. not to mention lucrative tax funded research positions.
cancer is a hugely profitable industry and is being deliberately built up and maximized for long-term profits, in my opinion

by style of training I mean a lifestyle with little physical/outdoor activity coupled with heavy lifts with a strong eccentric component. I don't know if that's your program but I suspect that type of pattern promotes cancer due to muscle damage and lactic acid creation

Essentially scientists have found a mechanism to prevent cancerous cells from multiplying by trapping cancerous cells and letting the immune system kill them off. Certain drugs and supplements can help the immune system kill them off by focusing on these elements. This is why I am so big on melatonin.

I have no idea why you think my training stresses the lactic system. Cancers can use many sources for energy so even if I did do training that created a lot of lactic acid it would still not be the driving force.

My training is just the typical heavy free weight training. The only maybe atypical aspect are the very long rest periods between work sets. This if anything would reduce the reliance on lactic acid for energy.

 

[tigersmoosh]

brainstorming and connecting dots as far as the lactic acid, based on stuff I've been reading

interesting that you are into melatonin - it's related to seretonin and tryptophan - associated with depressed oxidative metabolism and cancer
melatonin is a "hibernation" chemical which means it reduces the ability of cells to fight cancer, since it pretty much puts them to sleep


thoughts -
everything we need is found in nature in animals or plants

drug producers have a financial motivation to suppress legitimate research and health knowledge and have a long track record of doing so,
supporting an industry that profits from disease and deception is immoral even if they have some drugs that offer good effects or trade-offs

peptides manufactured or isolated outside the body like bpc/tb500 are probably not identical to naturally generated peptides in their effects,
and go into the category of potentially carcinogenic/toxic substances to eliminate, along with (almost) all heavily processed substances, including protein powders and creatine

frequent activity which accelerates the movement of fluids in the body cause healing and growth, curing or preventing disease,
sitting (which is unnatural) or spending long periods physically inert causes disease and musculoskeletal dysfunction

 

[DEVILsSON]

brainstorming and connecting dots as far as the lactic acid, based on stuff I've been reading

This has no meaning.

I am ESL so I am very understanding of challenges in communicating in another language or even dealing with various communication processing conditions/issues. But I noticed in your posts it's just mishmash of words without much meaning or clarity. If you're translating from another language I would maybe try to say things in a more simple way in your own language so it has a higher chance of making sense in the goal language(English).

interesting that you are into melatonin - it's related to seretonin and tryptophan - associated with depressed oxidative metabolism and cancer
melatonin is a "hibernation" chemical which means it reduces the ability of cells to fight cancer, since it pretty much puts them to sleep

This is incredibly wrong and backwards. It seems like you have a lot of opinions on things you don't have the rudimentary knowledge in. Melatonin is used to literally treat cancer either on its own or as an adjuvant. Melatonin has been shown to kill viruses, bacteria, tumors/cancers, etc and it does so through various mechanisms(phase separation for example). I encourage you to at the very least use Google or AI to research these topics before writing things which are borderline nonsensical and demonstrably wrong. I take several grams of melatonin daily for several reasons and cancer mitigation is one of them. Again no offense intended but you say a lot of the wall things.

thoughts -
everything we need is found in nature in animals or plants

drug producers have a financial motivation to suppress legitimate research and health knowledge and have a long track record of doing so,
supporting an industry that profits from disease and deception is immoral even if they have some drugs that offer good effects or trade-offs

peptides manufactured or isolated outside the body like bpc/tb500 are probably not identical to naturally generated peptides in their effects,
and go into the category of potentially carcinogenic/toxic substances to eliminate, along with (almost) all heavily processed substances, including protein powders and creatine

These are just baseless assertions. You'd have to provide a lot of evidence to substantiate your claims.

frequent activity which accelerates the movement of fluids in the body cause healing and growth, curing or preventing disease,
sitting (which is unnatural) or spending long periods physically inert causes disease and musculoskeletal dysfunction

What do you mean by "movement of fluids"?

No offense but this came off like word salad. I have no idea what you're getting at.

Exercise/strength training is one of the single best things to prevent cancer.

 

[tigersmoosh]

wait you take several grams daily and also have aggressive cancer problems?? and I'm clueless? good luck with that bro..

baseless assertions? actually distilled wisdom that has put me in great health as I age

did you take the melatonin megadoses BEFORE or AFTER your cancer started, I wonder?

 

[tigersmoosh]

melatonin is an adjuvant to therapies that...

wait for it...

don't work

 

[tigersmoosh]

movement of fluids couldn't be more simple to explain. like, water in and out of cells. carrying nutrients.

Exercise/strength training is one of the single best things to prevent cancer.

yeah true but maybe some forms of exercise aren't helping. cancer is caused by stagnation and toxicity so in general exercise helps to move and heal things.
but if the exercise causes persistent scarring or lactic acid production the negative could outweigh the positive as for as anti-cancer.

 

[DEVILsSON]

wait you take several grams daily and also have aggressive cancer problems?? and I'm clueless? good luck with that bro..

baseless assertions? actually distilled wisdom that has put me in great health as I age

did you take the melatonin megadoses BEFORE or AFTER your cancer started, I wonder?

More silly stuff that has no basis in reality. You don't have basic/fundamental understanding of melatonin, cancer or anything else on the subject. You're laughably uninformed.

melatonin is an adjuvant to therapies that...

wait for it...

don't work

You'd be wrong if you read any studies.

movement of fluids couldn't be more simple to explain. like, water in and out of cells. carrying nutrients.



yeah true but maybe some forms of exercise aren't helping. cancer is caused by stagnation and toxicity so in general exercise helps to move and heal things.
but if the exercise causes persistent scarring or lactic acid production the negative could outweigh the positive as for as anti-cancer.

This is gibberish from someone who obviously has minimal background in science.

I encourage you to actually open Google and read up on the subjects. At least ask chatGPT, DeepSeek, etc.

If you're just shitposting then whatever but this is incredibly uninformed.

 

[tigersmoosh]

read all the studies you want while your skin melts off from cancer

you just keep attacking me and my background. ad hominem. but my skin isn't melting and I don't have cancer

 

[tigersmoosh]

and best of luck to you brother I hope you get that wool off your eyes

 

[tigersmoosh]

did you take the melatonin megadoses BEFORE or AFTER your cancer started, I wonder?

still wondering

 

[tigersmoosh]

melatonin is hypothermic.. thats right it suppresses normal thyroid function

good thyroid function is essential to general health, muscle development, and cancer prevention

there are no studies of cancer rates in humans megadosing melatonin
(except we may have an n=1 study right here if your answer is BEFORE)

review study on melatonin in athletes
Conclusion: Melatonin did not cause any significant change in strength, speed, power, and short-term continuous exercise performances. In fact, it led to reduced strength and power performances in specific tests

(exactly what we would expect from a hypothermic substance)

another study:

Over five years, 4.6% of the chronic melatonin users developed heart failure compared to 2.7% of insomnia patients whose charts showed no melatonin use, the researchers found.

heart failure? sounds like something a hypothermic substance like melatonin might promote due to the damaging effects of low thyroid on the heart muscle

A review of 5 years of health records for more than 130,000 adults with insomnia who had used melatonin for at least a year found they were more likely to be diagnosed with heart failure, require hospitalization for the condition or die from any cause.

melatonin increases all-cause mortality?? well, duuuuhhhh. that's consistent with taking a substance which reduces the power of the heart (like any hypothermic substance)

• Participants taking melatonin were nearly 3.5 times as likely to be hospitalized for heart failure when compared to those not taking melatonin (19.0% vs. 6.6%, respectively).
• Participants in the melatonin group were nearly twice as likely to die from any cause than those in the non-melatonin group (7.8% vs. 4.3%, respectively) over the 5-year period.

 

[tigersmoosh]

The administration of exogenous melatonin leads to hypnotic and hypothermic responses in humans, which can be linked to immediate reductions in short-term mental and physical performance. Depending on the dose of melatonin, these effects may still be apparent 3-5 hours after administration for some types of cognitive performance

melatonin makes people dumb?? well that makes sense considering it reduces the brains energy

did you know that reducing energy in the brain decreases lifespan?

 

[DEVILsSON]

read all the studies you want while your skin melts off from cancer

you just keep attacking me and my background. ad hominem. but my skin isn't melting and I don't have cancer

I have no clue what you're talking about.

and best of luck to you brother I hope you get that wool off your eyes

still wondering

I had the cancer BEFORE I started taking high dose melatonin. I literally started taking it afterwards in part to prevent future issues and mitigate cancer risks of certain peptides I use. I highly recommend reading material from Dr. Russel Reiter and Doris Loh.

melatonin is hypothermic.. thats right it suppresses normal thyroid function

good thyroid function is essential to general health, muscle development, and cancer prevention

there are no studies of cancer rates in humans megadosing melatonin
(except we may have an n=1 study right here if your answer is BEFORE)

You don't know what any of this means.

review study on melatonin in athletes
Conclusion: Melatonin did not cause any significant change in strength, speed, power, and short-term continuous exercise performances. In fact, it led to reduced strength and power performances in specific tests

(exactly what we would expect from a hypothermic substance)

another study:


heart failure? sounds like something a hypothermic substance like melatonin might promote due to the damaging effects of low thyroid on the heart muscle

This is a misleading analysis that was recently released and which was quickly trashed by everyone even remotely knowledgeable on the topic. Correlation does not mean causation. The 'study' was not peer reviewed. Even if we take it seriously the additional risk was around 2% more. Melatonin is incredibly protective for a variety of conditions. I have been researching melatonin for years now.

Take a look at my training log and then ask yourself if high dose melatonin is impeding my results or perhaps helping...I am within striking distance of many of my PRs that I set almost two decades ago. I am among the strongest posters on the S&C sub while in my 40s.

melatonin increases all-cause mortality?? well, duuuuhhhh. that's consistent with taking a substance which reduces the power of the heart (like any hypothermic substance)

It doesn't. This is pure nonsense.

I had my labs done a couple years back after two years of high dose melatonin. My numbers slightly improved from already healthy range for things like cholesterol. My testosterone was in the upper third of healthy and about fifty percent more than the average for men twenty years younger than me.

melatonin makes people dumb?? well that makes sense considering it reduces the brains energy

Hardly. While my primary reasons for taking HDM is low grade chronic fatigue, cancer mitigation/prevention an d longevity there's also evidence it helps with many other issues like general inflammation levels, it boosts endurance (if you happen to be an endurance athlete), it has protective benefits against multiple substances, it boosts immunity, it helps the body kill viruses, bacteria and cancers. For example it kills cancers through about a dozen different ways.

did you know that reducing energy in the brain decreases lifespan?

If you choose to come under another account or just use your main account I hope you spend a little bit of time so you don't come across extremely uninformed and what you write doesn't come across as pure word salad.