Boxing wars or MMA wars?

I don't know about you, but i did specifically said it is a technical and tactical war, not the normal slugfest war. I think you missed that one. It is right there in my reply. While it won't be remembered like all time classics, it is one of those fights where you have to marvel at the skills of the combatants.
 
Nuclearlandmine said:
I think it totally depended on what constitute as war or not, in any combat sports.
I mean Bay Area often fumed about Bernard Hopkins being boring and the latest Canelo vs Mayweather to be boring as well. But damn, to me Canelo vs Mayweather was a really good tactical, technical war that kept me riveted in my chair 5 am in the morning, as so are some of Bernard's biggest fights vs Tito Trinidad, Jean Pascal, Kelly Pavlik and such. I do appreciate a slugfest just like the next guy though, but technical wars are often severely underrated just because people don't swing for the fence.
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...correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Canelo/Mayweather in the morning (through to the afternoon) here in Sydney?

@OP: Boxing. Looking back, Stephen vs Forest was even sloppier than Rios vs Alvarado (the latter of which I enjoyed watching a lot since I was rooting for Alvarado).
 
I'm a big striking fan, I like watching striking arts and I enjoy training striking much more than grappling or MMA, but for some reason - for me, in terms of pure entertainment there is nothing quite like watching a good (but technical) MMA war. I don't enjoy sloppy brawling that much. Fights like Hominick vs Jabouin, Barboza vs Njokuani, Thiago Alves vs Kos/Matt Brown vs Jordan Mein (although more one sided) and some more are pure eye candy for me.
 
calling mayweather and canelo fight a war is asinine though.

was it a very tactical fight... yes.. but a war? hell no...

a war (in fighter's term) to me is a brutal fight where heavy damage is given and taken back and forth between the two fighters. the fight can be tactical or a pure slug out fest. it's generally close throughout most of the fight...

that's a war...
 
A lack of reading comprehension can be asinine too. I already put out why i thought it was a war. I scored it 115-113 for Mayweather with 2 rounds give or take (while kept in mind of the biased commentary and really look closely into the action). That to me showed it was a war between those two.

@Marbig i watched the fight a few days later.
 
Ayin said:
Huh, well this sure added a lot to the conversation, thanks NAK.
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Added my comment earlier before Nuke derailed another thread with his ridiculous contrary opinions.

Every thread seems to end with Nuke arguing someone about some obscure angle to a commonly accepted norm, or him coming out with some pretentious dribble about how everybody but him is a Just Bleed fan and can't appreciate the higher level of fighting like he can.
It's getting really old.
 
I don't know, i just expressed that what people define as war in MMA/Boxing/K1 and how it can influence their preferences, using my case as an example. I failed to see why it is not in line with a thread like this. It is not derailed as much as you thought it was. And is there any real problem having a different idea?
 
Marbig said:
@OP: Boxing. Looking back, Stephen vs Forest was even sloppier than Rios vs Alvarado (the latter of which I enjoyed watching a lot since I was rooting for Alvarado).
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Stephen V Forrest was horrendous:

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Nuclearlandmine said:
A lack of reading comprehension can be asinine too. I already put out why i thought it was a war. I scored it 115-113 for Mayweather with 2 rounds give or take (while kept in mind of the biased commentary and really look closely into the action). That to me showed it was a war between those two.

@Marbig i watched the fight a few days later.
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lack of reading comprehension is exactly what you have.

poll 100 people and the majority of them if not all them (as long as we exclude your dumbass in the 100) will not call the mayweather-canelo fight a "war" type of fight...

was it a good fight? yes.. was it close? maybe. arguably depending on who you talk to. was it a war (for a a fight)? hell fuckin' no.

And is there any real problem having a different idea?
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no but if it's a retarded idea then u will be called out on it. what u posted in here is retarded...
 
It's ALWAYS controversial though. Any mainstream way of thinking and your against it no matter what it is. Anybody doesn't agree, they don't understand because you know what your talking about and they don't.
Disagreeing with everybody but Sin and Disc doesn't make you sound legit, it makes you sound pretentious
 
I would call Canelo-Mayweather a close fight, but definitely not a war. It has to be more than just competitive to be a war. It has to have a certain desperation and brutality to it.

Gustafsson-Jones was definitely a war. Leonard-Hagler was a war, or Marciano-Charles. Morales-Barrera were wars. Floyd hasn't been in a war in a long time, but I actually think that speaks to his abilities. I'm certain there are opponents who want to war with him, and he just doesn't let it happen. The only person who decides what happens in a Floyd fight is Floyd.
 
Discipulus said:
I would call Canelo-Mayweather a close fight, but definitely not a war. It has to be more than just competitive to be a war. It has to have a certain desperation and brutality to it.

Gustafsson-Jones was definitely a war. Leonard-Hagler was a war, or Marciano-Charles. Morales-Barrera were wars. Floyd hasn't been in a war in a long time, but I actually think that speaks to his abilities. I'm certain there are opponents who want to war with him, and he just doesn't let it happen. The only person who decides what happens in a Floyd fight is Floyd.
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agreed...
 
SaiWa said:
lack of reading comprehension is exactly what you have.

poll 100 people and the majority of them if not all them (as long as we exclude your dumbass in the 100) will not call the mayweather-canelo fight a "war" type of fight...

was it a good fight? yes.. was it close? maybe. arguably depending on who you talk to. was it a war (for a a fight)? hell fuckin' no.



no but if it's a retarded idea then u will be called out on it. what u posted in here is retarded...
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NAKMUAY18 said:
It's ALWAYS controversial though. Any mainstream way of thinking and your against it no matter what it is. Anybody doesn't agree, they don't understand because you know what your talking about and they don't.
Disagreeing with everybody but Sin and Disc doesn't make you sound legit, it makes you sound pretentious
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Like i said before, the main idea was that people may have a different opinion on what constitute a war, and I used my own definition and example in Canelo - Mayweather fight. But you are focused to much on the example instead of the overall idea i tried to say. To me it was a war because it kept me awake at 5am in the fucking morning (after a binge of Mass Effect 2 that went horribly wrong) and very competitive, while at the same time technical and tactical. But since i have a "different" idea and way too hipster to this board, let's agree to disagree on that.
 
just because the fight was close and interesting and kept u up at 5AM doesnt make it a war...

besides... i think u're the type that regularly stays up late playing video games anyhoo. iam sure that's doing wonders for your boxing training... how's that coming along? have u scheduled your first amateur fight yet? i am looking forward to seeing u knocking people out with your thai chi boxing style...
 
Both MMA & boxing wars are particularly entertaining to watch - do I prefer one over the other - not particularly.

Some saying that MMA wars are much more sloppier - well yes it encompasses many more areas than boxing - one is specialised to the hands the other isn't - MMA wars will always be sloppy especially if the two guys fighting are lacking in a specific area - which imo will always be the case - but that's what makes it exciting.


That said both are particularly damaging to your health although I'd say getting in a boxing war is probably going to impact your long term health much more seriously than an MMA war will GENERALLY speaking - even though it don't look like it I think MMA is a lot safer than boxing - anyway I'm going off on a tangent.
 
Hell yeah MMA is safer than boxing. Boxing is brutal. I've lightly sparred in boxing, and I cant begin to fathom taking a full on power shot to the head once, nevermind time and time again.
 
Bay Area said:
Hell yeah MMA is safer than boxing. Boxing is brutal. I've lightly sparred in boxing, and I cant begin to fathom taking a full on power shot to the head once, nevermind time and time again.
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This is why 'wars' in the conventional, give and take brutal sense, should not be that common in MMA, someone SHOULD be trying to find a better position. If you are great on the feet and he is great on the feet, but you are okay on the ground and he is worse on the ground, it should not be a stand-up battle to prove who's the better striker, you should take it to the ground and win. This is what makes fights like last weekends main event so big, where neither guy is able to change the position of the fight and so they end up in a brutal back and forth push.

This generation that is just passing now, the 'stand and bang', never look for a takedown, no 'boring' fight guys, are going to have the shortest careers in MMA, and come out the worse for it. That's probably not here nor there, however, and not for this thread.

I do find it funny that a closely controlled, tactical match is not a 'war', it sounds like a war, just one fought really well by one side. That being said, I think this thread is fully about the classic use of 'war' in combat sports, which is probably best described as 'grueling and damaging', and likely in that order of importance..
 
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