Boxing-heavy fighters & career longevity

Doctor Grudge said:
Doesnt seem all that different from the other styles? Guys get old.

A lot of those fighters have good longevity in, and a couple of them are still in their prime.
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Cody? Guy is still super young, does all hos work in boxing range

Yes age obviously comes into play with every fighter and rarely do careers end pretty but just look at the range in which they all fight, the strikes absorbed and how dramatically they fall off vs their peers with more varied offense. A boxing base in mma is great since most mma fighters arent great boxers but you exchange in the pocket so many times getting caught by something significan
Pancake Sprawl said:
Chuck and Frankie absorbed a ton of damage because of their predictable defense, not because they are boxers. boxing isn't just about throwing punches, it's about avoiding them too. Chuck was a kickboxer anyway.

nearly all of JDS' damage came from the 2 Cain fights and it was because of Cain's wrestling not because JDS' boxing.

i don't even know how half the guys you said "got old overnight" some of those guys are current champions and top fighters in their divisions.

people get old in MMA because MMA is a brutal sport. even if you were a grappler, if you can't take the other guy down you're going to get smashed in the face.
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Im not arguing that any of them are shit fighters or anything even close to that, Im just stating an observation about guys who prefer to stand in punching range above all else vs how sustainable that kind of style is. It is still a really effective style - just look at Max right now. But that being said every time he walks out now Im thinking this is gonna be the one where a punch lands and instead of eating it and talking to the commentary team, he gets shut off.

Glover is actually pretty defensively sound and maybe a bad example in hindsight, I always forget how old he was when he came to the UFC so Im sure that has been the main factor and he is now compensating for lack of speed and athleticism with IQ in the cage

Ranpage laid a great blueprint for being a boxing-centric mma fighter you just dont see many guys who are as defensively or technically sound as he was for whatever reason - probably because they go to boxing instead lol

EDIT: When did sherdog go to shit i can hardly type on my phone without formatting getting all fucked up or the endless ads making my shit freeze up constantly
 
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TheghostofFredDurst said:
So far Petr Yan with his boxing base doesn't seem to be taking a lot of damage by succesfully using a high guard.
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Yan i would categorize a muay thai guy who just happens to have heat seeking missiles for hands

He is also way more savvy and clever than alot of his opponents, great timing, counters, patient, sets traps and can kick like a motherfucker when he feels like it - see his casual attempted murder of Urijah Faber for example
 
Epicness said:
They had long careers but when they lost it was typically in a really abrupt or brutal manner, Glover is one of the only ones I can think of who both fits this mold and has worked his way around it through using other parts of his game (mostly his BJJ)

Frankie and Chuck have been in so many fights where they have absorbed a careers worth of damage in one night as a result of this too whether they won or lost.
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Yeah, strikers that lead with the chin (Which is really not an indication of good boxing BTW) and rely on a granite one, do badly once the chin is gone. No shit Sherlock. Nice work excluding elusive strikers.

In reality, fighters that want to keep fighting true top competition once they are shot/exposed, have abrupt falls from grace. Unless Weidman, Koscheck, Lombard and Ronda are boxers now.
 
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Epicness said:
Was listening to Luke Thomas’ postfight analysis for Kattar/Giga and he brought up an interesting point; essentially stating that fighters who have a boxing base or are reliant heavily on their hands as a form of offense inevitably take more damage than other styles due to being in range to be hit - by anything - more often.

that got me thinking and holy shit if that isnt spot on, off the top of my head some fighters who fit this:

Chuck
Max
BJ
Kattar
Burgos
Glover
Garbrandt
Lil Nog
JDS
Frankie
Zombie

All fighters who are reliant mostly on their hands as offense and all fighters who either:
A. Absorbed a metric fuckton of damage over time

B. Relied so heavily on that style that once their chin starts to go, it is just GONE without warning overnight

I know this isnt super insane insight and seems obvious when stated out loud but damn if I didnt realize most of the ones we love watching most fall off the quickest and hardest.

Im sure theres more but just wanted to share as it was just kind of a painful realization about these guys and their lives post-fighting…makes it a little harder to stomach their fights at times

(There are obvious outliers like Gus, Rampage etc who were more defensively sound with footwork/head movement but they are rare exceptional fighters)
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Is a metric fuckton a lot?

Seems like a fuckload plus tree fiddy.
 
They don't absorb those punches in a same way. Kattar, for example, rolls with punches and though they do bruise him he is rarely rocked. Garbrandt, on the other side, has a habit of walking right into bombs.
 
Get To Da Choppa said:
Might as well include Conor in there.

Touchbutt free flowing kicking Conor was an unpredictable striker, whereas the current wannabe boxer Conor has been stopped twice in a year in mostly standup fights

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Touchbutt Conor was something refreshing, now he's become a stiff brawler :(
 
This thread is interesting. More importantly, this thread gives me another opportunity to say that I hope that McGregor never has another chance to capture the UFC Lightweight World Championship.

It would be even worse if McGregor has another title shot right now. After all, he's currently riding a 2-fight LOSING streak.
 
Greyscale said:
They don't absorb those punches in a same way. Kattar, for example, rolls with punches and though they do bruise him he is rarely rocked. Garbrandt, on the other side, has a habit of walking right into bombs.
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Garbrandt showed amazing head movement in the Dom fight...and lost it crossing the street somewhere sir lol.
 
Crash Lance said:
This thread is interesting. More importantly, this thread gives me another opportunity to say that I hope that McGregor never has another chance to capture the UFC Lightweight World Championship.

It would be even worse if McGregor has another title shot right now. After all, he's currently riding a 2-fight LOSING streak.
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Or better yet, not getting a LW title shot because he literally only has 1 win in that division against Eddie a million years ago sir.
 
StonedLemur said:
Or better yet, not getting a LW title shot because he literally only has 1 win in that division against Eddie a million years ago sir.
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With the benefit of hindsight, I sort of think that Eddie Alvarez should've begged the UFC for an MMA fight against Tony Ferguson.

Eddie Alvarez against Tony Ferguson for the UFC Lightweight World Championship. At the time, Alvarez was the UFC Lightweight World Champion.

Eventually, Tony Ferguson captured the INTERIM UFC Lightweight Championship. Tony Ferguson also captured The Ultimate Fighter 13 Welterweight Grand Prix Tournament.
 
Crash Lance said:
With the benefit of hindsight, I sort of think that Eddie Alvarez should've begged the UFC for an MMA fight against Tony Ferguson.

Eddie Alvarez against Tony Ferguson for the UFC Lightweight World Championship. At the time, Alvarez was the UFC Lightweight World Champion.

Eventually, Tony Ferguson captured the INTERIM UFC Lightweight Championship. Tony Ferguson also captured The Ultimate Fighter 13 Welterweight Grand Prix Tournament.
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That would've been a fun and interesting fight.
Good call sir.
 
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