Movies BLADE RUNNER 2049 Thread v.2

[Guestx]

I'd probably give it a thumbs up, but it was still more Roland Emmerich than Denis Villeneuve.

Hey, I liked Independence Day too. . .

 

[BisexualMMA]

Hey, I liked Independence Day too. . .

So did I. And I liked The Patriot, Armageddon and The Island...

...but all of those movies were quite a while ago now for guys like Emmerich and Bay.

Stuff like White House Down is just retarded garbage.

Like Pacific Rim, Independence Day and Armageddon are a fun ride and well made, but not exactly thought-provoking or deep.

 

[Guestx]

So did I. And I liked The Patriot, Armageddon and The Island...

...but all of those movies were quite a while ago now for guys like Emmerich and Bay.

Stuff like White House Down is just retarded garbage.

Emmerich hasn't done anything I liked in years, but Bay did do Pain & Gain and 13 Hours. Those were good films.

 

[BisexualMMA]

Emmerich hasn't done anything I liked in years, but Bay did do Pain & Gain and 13 Hours. Those were good films.

If memory serves we've talked about both. I think they're both acceptable movies. Bay didn't do a disservice to the story in 13 Hours, but he also didn't exactly make a combat movie for the ages.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

No, people just want intelligent science fiction these days like Transformers and Pacific Rim.

The issue really is that almost nothing that isn't either a sequel to a recent hit or a very straight forward piece of cinema has much chance of success these days.

People complain about hollywoods focus on these areas but you only need to look at how pretty much everything else sinks without trace and you can understand why it exists. You could I spose argue of course that Hollywood itself created the situation, pretty much killing the idea of cinema as anything more than "turn your brain off and be entertained" fare for 95% of audiences.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

No, people just want intelligent science fiction these days like Transformers and Pacific Rim.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Emmerich hasn't done anything I liked in years, but Bay did do Pain & Gain and 13 Hours. Those were good films.

Honestly I did kind of enjoy the ID4 sequel if only because it had a good deal more self awareness than is typical for him and just focused on explosions and having the previous cast "jew it up" to the maximum degree.

 

[Pwent]

i loved it and it had fantastic cinematography, visuals and atmosphere

i also felt it dragged, i cant think of a scene that should be cut from the movie... but there were some scenes that felt like they dragged forever... like wallace talking to deckard felt like an hour long withh the long pauses between lines

 

[Hyperglide]

Ana de Armas could get it. @pcptornado @GearSolidMetal need to put her in a poll. Shed get my vote all the time. Sexy af and dat spanish accent.

She kind of reminds me of Felicity Jones.

 

[SSgt Dickweed]

After watching it, I am certain that 30 minutes could be cut from this movie and it wouldn't change much, except that it would have been an easier watch.

I also found it humorless and the action scenes lazily done. I know it's not a Marvel movie, either Blade Runner film just isn't my thing I guess.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

After watching it, I am certain that 30 minutes could be cut from this movie and it wouldn't change much, except that it would have been an easier watch.

I also found it humorless and the action scenes lazily done. I know it's not a Marvel movie, either Blade Runner film just isn't my thing I guess.

A lack of character is I think one thing that clearly stands out compared to the original, Rachael and Deckard are pretty somber(although the latter does do his squeaky voice firting with Zhora) but Roy, Byrant, Pris, Chew, Gaff etc all have a lot of character/interest to them. 2049 does feel a lot more "Nolanish" in its crushing seriousness across the entire film and less willing to add such elements, Batista early on really feels like the only performance that looks to bring a bit more than seriousness.

 

[ufcfan4]

A lack of character is I think one thing that clearly stands out compared to the original, Rachael and Deckard are pretty somber(although the latter does do his squeaky voice firting with Zhora) but Roy, Byrant, Pris, Chew, Gaff etc all have a lot of character/interest to them. 2049 does feel a lot more "Nolanish" in its crushing seriousness across the entire film and less willing to add such elements, Batista early on really feels like the only performance that looks to bring a bit more than seriousness.

Didn't know anything about Big Dave's role going in but was glad to see he got the opening scene of the movie. He was only in it for, what, five minutes but he left his mark.

I know The Rock is the gold standard with post wrestling success but Batista is up there as a guy doing very well for himself.

In just a matter of three years, he's been a marvel superhero in two hit movies, a Bond villain, and now just did a scene opposite one of the best current actors out there and held his own in a movie directed by one of the best directors of this time period.

 

[BisexualMMA]

Didn't know anything about Big Dave's role going in but was glad to see he got the opening scene of the movie. He was only in it for, what, five minutes but he left his mark.

I know The Rock is the gold standard with post wrestling success but Batista is up there as a guy doing very well for himself.

In just a matter of three years, he's been a marvel superhero in two hit movies, a Bond villain, and now just did a scene opposite one of the best current actors out there and held his own in a movie directed by one of the best directors of this time period.

Yep, he's taking his job seriously and running with the ball when he gets it.

He has a gravitas in some of his scenes, Blade Runner especially, that I don't really see from the Rock.

 

[minute bull]

After watching it, I am certain that 30 minutes could be cut from this movie and it wouldn't change much, except that it would have been an easier watch.

I also found it humorless and the action scenes lazily done. I know it's not a Marvel movie, either Blade Runner film just isn't my thing I guess.

You see the part when n___a ran through the stone wall tho? Just got hit with a bomb too? Then a missile?

A lack of character is I think one thing that clearly stands out compared to the original, Rachael and Deckard are pretty somber(although the latter does do his squeaky voice firting with Zhora) but Roy, Byrant, Pris, Chew, Gaff etc all have a lot of character/interest to them. 2049 does feel a lot more "Nolanish" in its crushing seriousness across the entire film and less willing to add such elements, Batista early on really feels like the only performance that looks to bring a bit more than seriousness.

I really liked the bit with Luv when she pushes open the stuck door. And her flirting. I knew she was going to be trouble. She also looks like a Bruce Timm character. Or maybe one of the Japanese directed BATMAN TAS characters. K's doing a Rutger Hauer grin. I didn't find it too-too serious myself.

 

[Spoken]

No idea what they were pollinating, but one theory I heard was that K was checking to see if the honey had been harvested. He reached in and found no honey, so it confirmed that someone must be around.

I figured out the plot hole.

Spoiler

he gets the memory cuz it’s implanted into lots of replicants. “We all wish we were one” means lots of folks had the memory, and it simply went to K by chance. It was pure luck that the guy with the falsely matching DNA got it. Lots of folks got the same implants... I think that’s the biggest issue fixed, yeah?

 

[Dalarna3]

I could careless about pretentious cucks collecting awards and fapping at them circle jerk style. I am more concerned that 2049 sales so we get another movie.

It seems clear that this movie isn’t going to be a blockbuster, so awards are what fans will have to hope for in terms of recognition. I wouldn’t want a pushed-through sequel that isn’t good. I do want this to succeed so that Hollywood feels okay with giving smart scripts large budgets.

 

[Guestx]

I figured out the plot hole.

Spoiler

he gets the memory cuz it’s implanted into lots of replicants. “We all wish we were one” means lots of folks had the memory, and it simply went to K by chance. It was pure luck that the guy with the falsely matching DNA got it. Lots of folks got the same implants... I think that’s the biggest issue fixed, yeah?

@sickc0d3r was saying earlier that he thought all, or at least some, of the other replicants got the same memory. If that's actually the case I really don't think it's explained clearly in the story.

And it just makes the problem of Ana illegally using real memories even bigger. Why did Ana commit this illegal act, and presumably subject herself to possible prosecution? And how exactly did all the various replicants have the memory implanted in the first place?

 

[Spoken]

@sickc0d3r was saying earlier that he thought all, or at least some, of the other replicants got the same memory. If that's actually the case I really don't think it's explained clearly in the story.

And it just makes the problem of Ana illegally using real memories even bigger. Why did Ana commit this illegal act, and presumably subject herself to possible prosecution? And how exactly did all the various replicants have the memory implanted in the first place?

they get the memories via the unexplained process of getting memories. But the film not exploring that process doesn't really create a gap in the narrative, just a rabbit hole that would have deviated too much from the narrative.
and I think the explanation was actually quite clear once it was explained to me, but it certainly demanded an attunement to the larger picture of the film in the moment.
As for why she used a real memory despite it being illegal? Because she's an artist and she's after the realism in the midst of expression. She probably dropped it out of pure artistic compulsion.

 

[sickc0d3r]

@sickc0d3r was saying earlier that he thought all, or at least some, of the other replicants got the same memory. If that's actually the case I really don't think it's explained clearly in the story.

And it just makes the problem of Ana illegally using real memories even bigger. Why did Ana commit this illegal act, and presumably subject herself to possible prosecution? And how exactly did all the various replicants have the memory implanted in the first place?

Maybe they're setting up a sequel with the unanswered questions and so much left to interpretation (is it known that they are? I hadn't read much, trying to avoid spoilers and whatnot).

I speculate that Ana is a memory supplier to Wallace ("Here I am selling memories to the one guy I should never sell memories to!") for a reason, not just by chance. It's also possible her real memories are implanted by other suppliers. She has a machine that reads memories, so it seems possible to steal them.

 

[Guestx]

they get the memories via the unexplained process of getting memories. But the film not exploring that process doesn't really create a gap in the narrative, just a rabbit hole that would have deviated too much from the narrative.
and I think the explanation was actually quite clear once it was explained to me, but it certainly demanded an attunement to the larger picture of the film in the moment.
As for why she used a real memory despite it being illegal? Because she's an artist and she's after the realism in the midst of expression. She probably dropped it out of pure artistic compulsion.

I appreciate your input but I find your explanation to be unsatisfying.

She said, "Every artist puts a little of themselves into their work" and then demonstrates on the birthday memory she's creating, which is not actually a real memory. She is imbuing it with a bit of her personality.

There's a difference between that and using a real memory, especially using one in its entirety. I just can't believe that she would've done that on a lark. Since its illegal to do so, and therefore could have legal consequences, I just have to believe that she only took the risk because she felt she had a very good reason to do so. If not, then it's a story flaw in my opinion, plain and simple.