Movies BLADE RUNNER 2049 Thread v.2

[Bob Weeks]

I really can't think of any movie so far that deserves it more and I haven't seen any film on the horizon that looks like a real challenge.

Agreed. It is the best movie i saw this year. I want to see it again as I feel like I missed out on a lot more. I wish there was more in depth discussion onto the advancement of Replicants.

 

[Dalarna3]

It will struggle if the numbers internationally don't pick up. Even worse, for fans of the series, it wont happen for another 30yrs if they don't sell more. The budget was foolish given how little the original movie sold.

Struggle to win? Recent winners have made less in total than Blade Runner 2049 has made in only a week.

 

[sickc0d3r]

For instance, I still have no idea when, how or why Deckard's daughter passed her memories on to K. The movie just doesn't address it and I think that's a bit of a problem. However, quite a bit of the story that was fuzzy after the first viewing is now clear.

I thought that was sort of explained when he found out the child was a girl, and the one-eyed lady said something like "oh, did you imagine it was you? They all did, that is why they believe", implying all the replicants in her "army" had some of those memories. At least that's how I saw it at the time. I do think it is easy to lose focus in the first viewing, so I could be wrong.

 

[Guestx]

I thought that was explained when he found out the child was a girl, and the one-eyed lady said something like "oh, did you imagine it was you? They all did, that is why they believe", implying all the replicants in her "army" had some of those memories. At least that's how I saw it at the time. I do think it is easy to lose focus in the first viewing, so I could be wrong.

I actually paid close attention to what the replicant lady said the second time around and while the exact phrase escapes me it's not really "they all THOUGHT it was them" but more along the lines of 'they WISHED it were them."

If the memory maker is indeed handing out the same memories to multiple replicants then that seems silly. Also, my take on it was that K's memory was pure. It wasn't just a fragment of something that really happened, it was a complete memory. And as the memory maker herself says, it's illegal to use real memories.

So I would think that if she was going to pass off a complete memory of her own to a replicant--an illegal act--then she'd have to have a good reason for it.

I really with we had the writer or director here to explain it.

 

[sickc0d3r]

I actually paid close attention to what the replicant lady said the second time around and while the exact phrase escapes me it's not really "they all THOUGHT it was them" but more along the lines of 'they WISHED it were them."

If the memory maker is indeed handing out the same memories to multiple replicants then that seems silly. Also, my take on it was that K's memory was pure. It wasn't just a fragment of something that really happened, it was a complete memory. And as the memory maker herself says, it's illegal to use real memories.

So I would think that if she was going to pass off a complete memory of her own to a replicant--an illegal act--then she'd have to have a good reason for it.

I really with we had the writer or director here to explain it.

Remember that they were faking copies of the memory chick (Ana?) as a smokescreen for anyone looking for the real offspring, so I would think it makes sense to give her memories to all of them. The more people who believe they are the one the better the disguise.

Edit: And in that case I don't think Ana was the one who gave them the memories at all. They were taken from Ana to give to her copies.

 

[Guestx]

Remember that they were faking copies of the memory chick (Ana?) as a smokescreen for anyone looking for the real offspring, so I would think it makes sense to give her memories to all of them. The more people who believe they are the one the better the disguise.

Remember K looked in the records and only found one instance of duplicated DNA, a boy and a girl. Both were consigned to the orphanage, with the girl labeled as deceased and the boy just disappearing from all records.

He thought that he was the real offspring, and the girl was the decoy. In reality it was the other way around.

 

[sickc0d3r]

Remember K looked in the records and only found one instance of duplicated DNA, a boy and a girl. Both were consigned to the orphanage, with the girl labeled as deceased and the boy just disappearing from all records.

He thought that he was the real offspring, and the girl was the decoy. In reality it was the other way around.

Right, but I am pretty sure that the records were faked, there never was a copy. That was a ploy to hide her and pass her off as a boy in that orphanage.
I think seeding an army of relicants with the memories of their savior is a good way to create a diversion or recruit them to your cause. They somehow got Ana a job working as a memory maker for the one guy who's hell bent on finding and dissect her. They must have done that for a reason.
I don't know, I need to see it again.

 

[Guestx]

Right, but I am pretty sure that the records were faked, there never was a copy. That was a ploy to hide her and pass her off as a boy in that orphanage.
I think seeding an army of relicants with the memories of their savior is a good way to create a diversion or recruit them to your cause. They somehow got Ana a job working as a memory maker for the one guy who's hell bent on finding and dissect her. They must have done that for a reason.
I don't know, I need to see it again.

I'd say the fact that we are even having to discuss this shows that the script could've used just a little more work.

 

[Your Salad]

One thing I've realized while trying to have actual discussions about the film is that it's going to take more than one viewing to untangle it all and fully understand the narrative. I have a MoviePass card now so I intend to catch it one more time in the theater before it gets pulled.

Regarding it not being a fun movie to watch, I can sympathize and think maybe just a bit more action would've been good. But on the other hand, I was really pleased to watch a big-budget film that had some real intelligence and big ideas behind it.

It has grown on me in the last few days, as I've pondered it.

I loved the movie and it has also grown on me post theater visit. I will be seeing it again this weekend.

Here is a video with some insight of the philosophy of the movie.

(great YouTube channel Btw)

 

[Senzo Tanaka]

I want to know more about Luv. At the end, I didn’t hear her clearly but thought she said she was “the last one” but I guess it was “best one”.

Was she jealous of K? Did she think he was special? Did she have some kind of advanced AI or was a newer Nexus model than the rest?

She got emotional at killing her own kind and didn’t have a problem killing humans.

Like Tyrell made Rachael special, I wonder if Wallace did the same with Luv. She stole the movie to me.

 

[Jesus X]

Agreed. It is the best movie i saw this year. I want to see it again as I feel like I missed out on a lot more. I wish there was more in depth discussion onto the advancement of Replicants.

I'm going to have to take your word for it I was too drunk and fell asleep in the theater.

 

[Jesus X]

I'm going to have to re-watch this film I was hammered drunk when I saw it and only caught 40%of he film and fell asleep.

the cinematography on that 40% was a masterpiece though.

I agree

 

[xenomorph4prez]

I agree

 

[minute bull]

I want to know more about Luv. At the end, I didn’t hear her clearly but thought she said she was “the last one” but I guess it was “best one”.

Was she jealous of K? Did she think he was special? Did she have some kind of advanced AI or was a newer Nexus model than the rest?

She got emotional at killing her own kind and didn’t have a problem killing humans.

Like Tyrell made Rachael special, I wonder if Wallace did the same with Luv. She stole the movie to me.

Luv is emotionally unfit for her baseline, since she is one of the very few replicants who have no problem harming humans (which was a huge selling point that granted Wallace manufacturing capabilities).

She is not jealous of K; she sees a kindred spirit in him in that they both are higher level replicants. She sees that he is more than capable, resourceful, self-assured and most of all tough and resolute -- everything a young person would want to grow up to be. He keeps coming back after she's stomped him, so when she beats him she proclaims she's the best but smooches him too.

It's more like she has a crush on him but she can't quite make the same mental leap that evolves K.

 

[MMouse]

So tonight I went and saw Blade Runner again. Yes, 2 hrs 43 min x2 in the span of a week.

I really wanted to see it again for two reasons:

1. I wanted to watch the movie with the expectations of what the movie actually is and will deliver, rather than the improper expectations of something that the movie is not.

2. As I mentioned before, there were a few plot points that I found confusing and I wanted to give it another go and see if that cleared things up.

What I can tell you is that watching the film twice definitely DOES help you to understand the narrative quite a bit. And if you're like me, watching it twice will also increase your appreciation for it beyond what your appreciation already is.

Having seen it a second time now, I still have a few questions about the narrative, but not because I feel like the answers are there and I just missed them. Rather, it's because I think there are a few script issues. For instance, I still have no idea when, how or why Deckard's daughter passed her memories on to K. The movie just doesn't address it and I think that's a bit of a problem. However, quite a bit of the story that was fuzzy after the first viewing is now clear.

I now love this movie. It's an amazing film. I'm bumping my rating from 7.5. up to a 9.

Spoiler

so it wasn't addressed why ana passed her memories on to K? If so, what was the reason behind it?

 

[minute bull]

 

[Guestx]

Spoiler

so it wasn't addressed why ana passed her memories on to K? If so, what was the reason behind it?

You don't need spoiler tags anymore, as per Dragon.

But to answer your question, no, it's not addressed. All we know is that K has one of Ana's memories and that it's illegal to pass on a real memory to a replicant.

The film doesn't say when, why or exactly how K came to have this memory.

 

[Satur9]

I am going to see it on Monday, but damn near 3 hours is pretty obnoxious. Wish the movies that I want to see didn't all have to be 3 hours long.

 

[Guestx]

I am going to see it on Monday, but damn near 3 hours is pretty obnoxious. Wish the movies that I want to see didn't all have to be 3 hours long.

This is going to sound contradictory but it goes by pretty quickly as long as you go into the film understanding it unfolds at a rather slow, deliberate pace.

The first time I went to see it I did feel like the movie was kind of slow. The second time I went into it knowing what to expect and I felt like it moved along at a good pace.

 

[Cool Hand Luke]

no way i can last three hours so will wait til it's out on Amazon prime.