Movies BLADE RUNNER 2049 Thread v.2

[xenomorph4prez]

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Well, the very first scene of the movie involves a 45-50ish year old replicant. I think the text was called for on that basis alone, since the last thing we knew, they all had short lifespans.

Spoiler

I get what you are saying and agree but I think it may be a chicken or the egg scenario.

Were the advanced age replicants written into the script organically or were they there to lend credence to the theory that Deckard is a replicant despite the fact that Harrison Ford has aged?

 

[minute bull]

I think it's a plot hole that seems to take liberal speculation to address. It won't keep me up at night, but in the course of discussing the film I find it significant.

Spoiler

As stated before, I gave it a 7 in the poll. That's because it was a little too heavy on the romance/drama and light on action and thrills. Don't regret watching it, but no desire to ever see it again. Doesn't help that the robots as human thing is a little more played out than in 1982 (EG. AI, Westworld tv show). Unlike Avatar, this movie fails in its attempt to redicrect my sympathies away from the human race. There's some robot resistance looking to use this baby as a lightning rod for revolution and there is zero reason for me to get on board.

I'm not much for the resistance either. When you talk about the romantic angle, you're talking about the Joi moments?

Spoilery questions on Deckard being a replicant or not.

Spoiler

Okay so K seeing the heat signature of the bees led him to Deckard's hideout. K puts his hand in the hive I would think to retrieve honey because what other reason is their for putting your hand in a beehive? He pulls out a hand full of bees and no honey signifying that someone is keeping the bees and that the honey was harvested recently which tells him he is on the right trail.

Questions

I'm assuming Deckard and the rebel replicants are living in Las Vegas because it was nuked and humans can't go there as it would cause accelerated decrepitude.

Can bees live in such conditions and does Deckard calling a nuked out Vegas home imply that he is for sure a replicant?

I was talking to a buddy about this and he thinks that K's scans showed that the radiation levels were acceptable.

I don't remember that but if that's the case are the radiation levels acceptable for humans or replicants?

Radiation levels were marked NOMINAL, and I'm not sure what that means really. But I took it to mean safe when K ventured into it. This film does not confirm in any way the nature of Deckard. Wallace talks his way right to the brink of it but he's bluffing the entire time. The sequel can't commit one way or the other without retroactively affecting the original.

Spoiler

I get what you are saying and agree but I think it may be a chicken or the egg scenario.

Were the advanced age replicants written into the script organically or were they there to lend credence to the theory that Deckard is a replicant despite the fact that Harrison Ford has aged?

It's a vestige of the theatrical cut in which the Nexus-7 lifespan is revealed to be open-ended. The theatrical cut is still respected since we're dealing with Nexus-8s in the sequel, and Nexus-6s in the original.

 

[xenomorph4prez]

I'm not much for the resistance either. When you talk about the romantic angle, you're talking about the Joi moments?


Radiation levels were marked NOMINAL, and I'm not sure what that means really. But I took it to mean safe when K ventured into it. This film does not confirm in any way the nature of Deckard. Wallace talks his way right to the brink of it but he's bluffing the entire time. The sequel can't commit one way or the other without retroactively affecting the original.

The more I think about it I believe a case can be made for whether he is or isn't from clues in 2049 but I get why they wouldn't want to boldly commit to either and as you said affect the original.

 

[mushishi]

6. Dragged on. Hated the 80s futuristic sound effects. Better than kingsman and American made

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

When you talk about the romantic angle, you're talking about the Joi moments?

Yes. Actress was super hot and I enjoyed looking at her, but I don't think her character added anything to the story. Could have saved us all 20 minutes or so.

 

[minute bull]

Yes. Actress was super hot and I enjoyed looking at her, but I don't think her character added anything to the story. Could have saved us all 20 minutes or so.

I like the idea there's pre-production footage of Ana de Armas in a hot pink wig slinking around the floor. I also think there was a ponytail cheerleader version shaking her booty, too.

Aside, there's a radio station that has gotten around FCC regulations and refers to masturbation as "JO-ing." So when Joi kept insisting on "JOE! JOE!" I couldn't help but snicker a little, especially considering what she is. Like, "That's your solution for everything!!"

 

[Lethal_Striker]

Should've gotten McG to direct instead of Villeneuve.

Who's with me?

If McG isn't available you should call Brett Ratner and offer it to him.

 

[Guestx]

If McG isn't available you should call Brett Ratner and offer it to him.

We kid, but in the interest of fairness both filmmakers have made movies I like.

McG: Charlie's Angels, We Are Marshall, 3 Days to Kill (kinda)

Ratner: Rush Hour, The Family Man, Red Dragon, Hercules (kinda)

 

[BisexualMMA]

Yes. Actress was super hot and I enjoyed looking at her, but I don't think her character added anything to the story. Could have saved us all 20 minutes or so.

I found her character and the questions her story provoked to be interesting and even touching, as well as something that added value to Ryan Gosling's arc.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

I found her character and the questions her story provoked to be interesting and even touching, as well as something that added value to Ryan Gosling's arc.

Cool. To me the quest of replicants to achieve humanity and equality was enough. No need to have some hologram doing the same. Just makes it all seem more ridiculous.

 

[BisexualMMA]

Cool. To me the quest of replicants to achieve humanity and equality was enough. No need to have some hologram doing the same. Just makes it all seem more ridiculous.

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I thought her demise and then K interacting with the advertisement after emphasized how dispirited and purposeless he could have chosen to be when he learned he wasn't Deckard's son.

 

[Andersons Foot]

Here's the original theatrical ending. Some people speculate that Ford did such a shitty job with the voiceover because he hated it.

Eh. I definitely prefer the final cut ending.

 

[Katsumi Yamada]

Replicants are made from dna. They are humans that are made.

That's what I understand from these movies too. Replicants are genetically engineered humans.

Which is why the discussion about the nature of Deckard is kinda missing the point...or rather it's a pointless discussion.

But if this is true it begs the question:

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Why is Wallace having so much trouble making them fertile?

 

[Guestx]

Eh. I definitely prefer the final cut ending.

I don't think I've ever seen even a single person say they prefer the theatrical ending.

 

[josh345]

The music in this movie was really intense and added a kick to a lot of scenes. Like when K finds the horse, or that underwater struggle near the end where K is drowning Luv....Man that was intense. Seeing this in the theater was freaking awesome with the sound design and visual effects. I'm going with a 9 out of 10. The story was really satisfying. Loved K and Harrison fords scenes together. The relationship between K and Joi was very interesting too and kind of sticks with you

 

[Deleted member 110072]

I found her character and the questions her story provoked to be interesting and even touching, as well as something that added value to Ryan Gosling's arc.

After one viewing I certainly found it interesting but also I was kind of left thinking that more could have been done with it, the similarities to Her for example that obviously did that were pretty obvious. The typical "fade to black" inferred sex scene to me felt very out of place, I mean you don't especially have to show anything that graphic but it felt like a lot of buildup that didn't really lead to much dramatically.

 

[Guestx]

The typical "fade to black" inferred sex scene to me felt very out of place, I mean you don't especially have to show anything that graphic but it felt like a lot of buildup that didn't really lead to much dramatically.

That's not typical at all, at least these days. I was actually impressed that Villeneuve didn't feel like the need to make it graphic to let us know that the sex went down.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

That's not typical at all, at least these days. I was actually impressed that Villeneuve didn't feel like the need to make it graphic to let us know that the sex went down.

Its still typical for mainstream Hollywood and this stood out as a really obvious example of it damaging a film dramatically to me. Again I don't think it automatically needed to be graphic(although it had actually set this up as something that could be visually interesting rather than just titillating) but this seemed like the obvious point to bring a bit more depth to the relationship but instead it stayed at the same kind of level they were at.

In the original of course the cutaway works perfectly fine because that's a natural climax to a romance that does have more depth to it.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

So that's the infamous voiceover ending. Fucking shite it is.

Seeing 2049 again tonight.

The voiceover is all over that movie and its terrible.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

Cool. To me the quest of replicants to achieve humanity and equality was enough. No need to have some hologram doing the same. Just makes it all seem more ridiculous.

Joi is just a program. She is nothing like K, or Rachel, or Samantha from Her. She is just a fluffer and offers very superficial companionship.
This was made pretty clear a couple of times. The first time was when the hooker Replicant told her she knew how shallow her OS was.
The second time was when you see the 3D signs using the same model as Joi with the slogan "anything you want to hear".

Spoiler

Joi dying was no more tragic than your PS2 dying. There was no real romance, no real loss. Realizing that was also what helped K decide to go the other way on the cults request that he kill Deckard (I think; have to pay closer attention to that on the second viewing).