BJJ and Judo

[noob900]

Bj penn as a white belt in BJJ, trashed multiple judo black belts in several tourneys.

You can watch it on youtube i believe, but If a white belt can beat a black belt, even if it is the Prodigy, then it must say something about the sport

Yes it says tha +

 

[noob900]

Bj penn as a white belt in BJJ, trashed multiple judo black belts in several tourneys.

You can watch it on youtube i believe, but If a white belt can beat a black belt, even if it is the Prodigy, then it must say something about the sport

Yes it says that many Judo fighters have a mediocre submissions and ground game in comparison to BJJ, which is hardly earth shattering news.

 

[golai]

Where's the video of BJ Penn entering a judo tournament as a white belt and dominating every judo black belt he faced? Nuff said.

 

[Jay Pan ROKK]

You make no sense. We judokas aren't responsible for building a better society while everybody else is getting all the fun breaking limbs and stomping people' faces in, we want our share too (even the early judokas like Maeda, Tani, Kimura etc. thought like this). Judo-clubs aren't moral day-care centers for fuck's sake. Gracies pushed fights because they realised beating the crap out of people is fun like many before them, only way they're unique in that sense in modern martial art history is that they started to make money out of it. That being said, I think all sports develop people in a good way. Especially combat sports.

Besides, you're way too late with this crap. As mentioned, even the early judokas travelled all around the world challenging representatives of other disciples. That trend has continued throughout the history of judo. Most Japanese fighters start in MMA as judokas, exactly the same way as most Americans start with a strong wrestling background and Brazilians with bjj. Judo has been strongly represented in MMA for the whole time it has existed in its current form.

While Brazil is the homeland of bjj and many great fighters you have to face the fact that it hasn't been the Mecca of MMA in years because there is no such. The ability to fight in modern MMA has spread around the world. And when we look at the world's best fighters and where they are currently fighting, it's pretty obvious only a certain part of them are bjj'ers from Brazil and none of them are fighting in Brazil. No one cares what happens on a grass-root level in other countries (counting out the hottest prospects), not in Finland or even in Brazil.

I agree that judo individually should never take the same route as bjj. On the other hand it's great how people can live alone by teaching what they love but the flipside of the coin is a bit more significant imo. By being so commercialised there are many things that have hurt its development as a legitimate international sport. McDojos, poser practitioners, expensive teachers etc. make bjj hard to be practised by those who truly want to. It's a shame such a great sport is suffering of this.

Apparently you're pretty knowledgeable when it comes to bjj, but the more you post the clearer it comes that you have no understanding whatsoever of judo and how it is practised. When the basics have been taught and the kids start to mature, they'll get pushed just as hard as in any other sport. Any philosophies go out of window the moment they are looking lazy in class or fighting in a tournament. Sure, many people practise and even compete in judo just for fun. Just like in any other sport. But when 90% of competitors are measuring each others from the other side of the mat before a match, I assure you that they certainly aren't thinking of "mutual benefit and welfare". They're thinking of how they can slam their opponents to the mat, choke them out and leave the mat as a winner. Judo is much more brutal than it seems like it or not.

So, receive money to beat people up is fun ?

No it is not.

If i remember correctly both Maeda and Kimura were banned from Kodokan because of that.

 

[katolotus]

Where's the video of BJ Penn entering a judo tournament as a white belt and dominating every judo black belt he faced? Nuff said.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUNgJPsUb1A

 

[Educr1]

Stand up, Judo is most agressive than BJJ.

Judo takedown are fantastic while BJJ is praticed only on the floor.

I think Judo fights are most exciting to watch.

 

[Taco Stand]

fuck this...... BJJ>Judo all day

Wow, awesome well thought out contribution!

 

[David Willis**]

Bj penn as a white belt in BJJ, trashed multiple judo black belts in several tourneys.

Wrong, BJ Penn was a judo white belt not a BJJ white belt.

You can watch it on youtube i believe, but If a white belt can beat a black belt, even if it is the Prodigy, then it must say something about the sport

The only thing it says is that belt progression is different in judo than in BJJ. A judo black belt is just a serious student. A BJJ black belt is the master of the art.

Penn beat a bunch of nobodies who do judo for recreation and fun, and people like you are eating up that propaganda like ice cream.

 

[Ryo]

Yes it says that many Judo fighters have a mediocre submissions and ground game in comparison to BJJ, which is hardly earth shattering news.

No. It simply says that BJ Penn...... a world class grappler and overall Phenomenal Athlete, beat a couple of nobody's in a local tournament in Hawai. BJ was tapping BJJ black belts when he was a blue belt. He's not called the prodigy for nothing. If he entered an A level Judo tournament, he would get ipponed pretty quick.

 

[Apocalypse604]

What's the point of this thread. It's one of those debates that will last forever or until the best Judo guy in the world faces the best BJJ guy. In any case.....cross train in everything, beat opponent, end of story.

 

[EliteStriker]

I took judo when I was younger, stopped at green belt but I think it compliments BJJ very well

 

[Rampage03]

i would love to learn judo, but the thought of getting thrown on my head freaks me out.

 

[Darph]

What you are talking about is the exception.

A BB in Judo is given to any people that knows all the moves, they dont even need to be good at them.

Um, what the fuck are you talking about retard?

You HAVE to win in tournaments to get a bb. There's no way around it. There's a way around the time, etc, but there's no way around winning competition.

You have to have a certain # of "points" (i.e. Wins in tournament) to get your blackbelt. Period.

Stop believing this stupid shit you guys read from total morons.

 

[Jay Pan ROKK]

Um, what the fuck are you talking about retard?

You HAVE to win in tournaments to get a bb. There's no way around it. There's a way around the time, etc, but there's no way around winning competition.

You have to have a certain # of "points" (i.e. Wins in tournament) to get your blackbelt. Period.

Stop believing this stupid shit you guys read from total morons.

OK, Judo BB is very difficult to get.

 

[Milkbone]

Love 'em both, wish i had enough time in the day to take judo as well.....but oh well maybe later...

 

[Reecedog2379]

I think its because Royce won the 1st couple UFC's with BJJ and did awesome with it and no one equalled that early success with Judo so Gracie BJJ became what everyone wanted and it went on from there

Idk if thats been said before because i didn't have time to read pages 2-16 yet still want to comment

 

[Alex The Gr8]

that's fine, when a judo green belt i tapped BJJ purple and brown belts....

one guy beating another doesn't make one art better....

same here. i was choking bjj brown belts out when i was a green belt in judo. (proud to say i received my black belt 4 months ago, haha )

 

[MajinFajita]

I grew up in Judo, but our Dojo didn't even hint at Neo Waza, When I first came across it, got sort of hooked.

Really? Because ne waza (or katame waza) is a big part of even sport judo....not all throws end in ippon! (uh, caveat to that, I should state that not all of MY shitty throws end in Ippon)

 

[Kforcer]

They say Jujutsu is from India (which is bullshit).

How familiar are you with Indian grappling...? Almost every martial art you see around the world has a relatively ancient Indian counterpart. Doesn't mean that the martial art was taken from India, but they have quite a diverse martial arts tradition over there, in the area of grappling as well. Some forms of pelwahni and kushti wrestling, which is essentially identical to folkstyle or freestyle wrestling, include submission holds. And there is a form of fighting which includes extensive use of what is equivalent to the guard, though, it also includes hitting people in the face with knuckle-dusters.

 

[Judoka101]

So, receive money to beat people up is fun ?

No it is not.

If i remember correctly both Maeda and Kimura were banned from Kodokan because of that.

No, they did not encourage what they did.

Many more Judoka's did this as well.

Maeda was expelled from the Kodokan and this type of fighting maybe a reason but that was very early, by the time Kimura was around Judo had already been spread and it was fine to do what they did but again it still was not encouraged.