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History Bizarre Cases of the missing and murdered

te dvatlov pass thing is likely an avalanche as others have stated , really not that mysterious after you dismiss the hyperbole

The odd part is that most of the hikers removed their clothing as time went on. The first ones to die had less clothing than the others. It could have been an avalanche, but something major must have happened before hand.
 
The odd part is that most of the hikers removed their clothing as time went on. The first ones to die had less clothing than the others. It could have been an avalanche, but something major must have happened before hand.

people who die in the desert remove their clothes also, and fold them neatly where they are found. Reason being is that when the dehydration condition hits them hard, the clothes hurt on their bodies as their nerves amplify. Elisa lam also was found nude, most logical reason being is, she was trying to tread water as long as she could and baggy clothes were making that harder. Desperate people do desperate things that don't make sense to us.
 
I've heard that its actually common for freezing people to remove their clothes.
 
Holmes, who admitted to killing 27 people in the late 1890s, also apparently had a similar modus operandi to Jack the Ripper. After killing his victims, Holmes would dissect the corpses, selling the skeletons to medical schools, according to the Daily Mail.

kill bitches, get money
 
I've heard that its actually common for freezing people to remove their clothes.

I tried to look for articles for the paradoxical undressing seen in hyppthermic patients but there were only a couple of legit articles I could find.

You see, the pathophysiology doesn't make sense because you constrict your blood vessels peripherally to shunt warm blood back to your vital organs thus the extremities will be cold. But the proposed mechanism is the paralysis of the vasomotor center which causes an increased feeling of heat. The other proposed mechanism is neurotoxicity of the nerves innervating blood vessels which cause vasodilation which also causes a surge of warmth in the body.

http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-1-59259-786-4_11
 
no it's not, the victim was scared for his life after being choked out and kidnapped, the police didn't really think it was that serious and then, after it hit the local news, the guy just snapped. His reputation I suppose, or whatever other stresses were going on in his life. Like anything, there is more than one factor, but anyway, the murder happened after the initial kidnapping and the initial pending case. In order to stop him from testifying he killed him. Only witnesses were the people who heard a cinder block busting the apt window and then the guys own girlfriend gave him up for immunity. the man was also the son of a high ranking police officer in the area, so I think maybe he thought he could get away with it. Anyway, the body was never found, which was the key issue in his prosecution, they did however find enough of the mans blood to assume that the man had been killed and so the final decision was life without possibility of parole. It really fucked me up at the time for a lot of reasons.

He was gay and he had a girlfriend? Not calliong you a liar just trying to understand what happened.
 
He was gay and he had a girlfriend? Not calliong you a liar just trying to understand what happened.

you can't call me a liar, this stuff is all in the online journals and papers from the time. I just don't know if i want to make it public because it will reflect on the old gym. Just a sad story man. Yes, his girlfriend testified against him, probably couldn't have done it without her, so i guess that would make him bisexual.
 
The odd part is that most of the hikers removed their clothing as time went on. The first ones to die had less clothing than the others. It could have been an avalanche, but something major must have happened before hand.

The odd part is everyone claiming it's "solved" because of an unfounded and untested theory (paradoxical undressing)? When did that become mainstream or accepted science? How many experiments were done to confirm said theory?

I'm sure that theory has been tested.

Maybe it has in unpublished studies from Nazi Germany with Mengele's experiments, and/or operation paperclip. But I have no faith in what we actually get told any more.
 
you can't call me a liar, this stuff is all in the online journals and papers from the time. I just don't know if i want to make it public because it will reflect on the old gym. Just a sad story man. Yes, his girlfriend testified against him, probably couldn't have done it without her, so i guess that would make him bisexual.

Well thanks for clarifying man, it seems likes its not the easiest for you to talk about but I love this thread and I appreciate you sharing the story.
 
the thing that has always puzzled me about that case, and this is something that anyone in media or criminology could tell you, is that it never really caught on as a big thing with the public. I thought then and do now that the case was fascinating for many reasons, race,sex,power, many of the things which dog and fascinate this country. the kids dad, as I said was an assistant police chief, he also was successful and had titles as a fighter, no telling how far he could have went in the sport, and then of course there is the sexuality issue, and then, race too. His father was black and his mother was asian. I've thought before that if i ever have the resources, i might try to maybe make a video on the subject, i'd just have to make sure it's respectful to all parties. And also, i'll be completely truthful about the one thing that bugs me the most, that we, all of us older men who came in contact with this young man, probably reinforced his negative tendencies. Violence is something that is not to be taken lightly. In fact, I wrote a college paper on this case, what I found was that there was a sociologist who claimed that violence was coached, encouraged and taught. Us older guys, guys who knew more and better about how dangerous the path could be, I've caught myself in situations which someone could have ended up dead, so, you either learn from that and try to correct those things or, if you are not a stable person, well, it can very well go wrong. It bothers me to this day.
 
people who die in the desert remove their clothes also, and fold them neatly where they are found. Reason being is that when the dehydration condition hits them hard, the clothes hurt on their bodies as their nerves amplify. Elisa lam also was found nude, most logical reason being is, she was trying to tread water as long as she could and baggy clothes were making that harder. Desperate people do desperate things that don't make sense to us.


Not sure where you get that from. Is it from talking to people dying in the desert because that's a dickish thing to do if you didn't help them.

People fold their clothes neatly as a result of dehydration? Gonna have to get some dehydrated people in my house on laundry day.

My reasoning, which is just as sound as yours, is that they knew they were going to die and chose to die as they were born. Naked and afraid. Most people that die in deserts aren't put on YouTube to see how they react.

Elisa's reason for treading water doesn't change depending on how she got there. We can only speculate about why she was somewhere she shouldn't have been and how she got there.

Why was she at that hotel, and why was she being so weird on the video. And why is part of the video missing.
 
Not sure where you get that from. Is it from talking to people dying in the desert because that's a dickish thing to do if you didn't help them.

People fold their clothes neatly as a result of dehydration? Gonna have to get some dehydrated people in my house on laundry day.

My reasoning, which is just as sound as yours, is that they knew they were going to die and chose to die as they were born. Naked and afraid. Most people that die in deserts aren't put on YouTube to see how they react.

Elisa's reason for treading water doesn't change depending on how she got there. We can only speculate about why she was somewhere she shouldn't have been and how she got there.

Why was she at that hotel, and why was she being so weird on the video. And why is part of the video missing.

where i got it from? well sir, i actually watched some speeches on youtube by a guy who wrote a book about the subject called devil's highway, he went out on some patrols with border agents and one asked him why would the person be naked, the author said "because he lost his mind" and the agent said no, it was because of the desert effects on a person. It's all on youtube if you want to go watch it.
as far as elisa, i have a hard time believing that she was attacked or forced anywhere because she had no marks on her body except some on her knees which probably came from climbing up to get into the tower. Unless there was some kind of coverrup, the findings of her autopsy give no indication of rape, violence or anything else. Also, i find it odd that the water was tested and was found to not have anything detectable in it, that's hard to believe especially (forgive me for mentioning) part of her intestines had come out of her body. also, the issue of missing footage, some people say it's because the camera turns off without motion, automatically, someone else has said that it's also possible that someone else was in the footage who wasn't connected with the case and the police removed it to protect their anonymity.
 
where i got it from? well sir, i actually watched some speeches on youtube by a guy who wrote a book about the subject called devil's highway, he went out on some patrols with border agents and one asked him why would the person be naked, the author said "because he lost his mind" and the agent said no, it was because of the desert effects on a person. It's all on youtube if you want to go watch it.
as far as elisa, i have a hard time believing that she was attacked or forced anywhere because she had no marks on her body except some on her knees which probably came from climbing up to get into the tower. Unless there was some kind of coverrup, the findings of her autopsy give no indication of rape, violence or anything else. Also, i find it odd that the water was tested and was found to not have anything detectable in it, that's hard to believe especially (forgive me for mentioning) part of her intestines had come out of her body. also, the issue of missing footage, some people say it's because the camera turns off without motion, automatically, someone else has said that it's also possible that someone else was in the footage who wasn't connected with the case and the police removed it to protect their anonymity.

No evidence of violence. Except, her knees. You have to be very bad at climbing a ladder to hurt your knees that bad.

I'll try to watch your YouTube "speeches".

If she was there that long in water, then her body would eventually burst. They're not exactly gonna advertise that.

You actually sound like you don't agree with the official story and are trolling.
 
ya, the elisa lam case was mesmerizing, i spent hours looking up stuff on it. But i think, in the end there was nothing mysterious or supernatural or suspicious, i think she just lost her mind and did some irrational shit that killed her. Really sad story.

You spent hours looking up the Elisa Lam case and came away with the impression nothing mysterious happened? How in the world is that? When I looked up that case it led me into all kinds of weird rabbit holes dealing with everything from her being q a psychiatric testing subject to her parents being involved in covert ops.
 
And the fact that the boys involved did not suffer just punishment is beyond numbing.

fuck the whole system and judge that did not see those twats rot for the rest of their lives. Fuck any police officer or prison guard that could have ended them and gotten away with it, but chose not too.

I just started this thread, and Im ball deep only on page two, probably going to end up staying up all night reading every story, but this one got me. it got me hard.
 
No evidence of violence. Except, her knees. You have to be very bad at climbing a ladder to hurt your knees that bad.

I'll try to watch your YouTube "speeches".

If she was there that long in water, then her body would eventually burst. They're not exactly gonna advertise that.

You actually sound like you don't agree with the official story and are trolling.

i don't do trolling, I agree with the story generally but it's still mysterious, fascinating and bizarre. I don't see any motive for the cops to lie not that i put it past them. These days with the internet, everything is a conspiracy, which is a problem because there are so many nutjobs out there that it's impossible to get good info. if you have some good sites i haven't seen i'll take a look, I promise, the case is fascinating. but you know the occams razor thing right? well, you gotta go with that most of the time.
 
You spent hours looking up the Elisa Lam case and came away with the impression nothing mysterious happened? How in the world is that? When I looked up that case it led me into all kinds of weird rabbit holes dealing with everything from her being q a psychiatric testing subject to her parents being involved in covert ops.

well, damn man, share the shit, I'll look at it. but I already spent too many hours reading about theories of her being an illuminati sacrifice and playing a game that's called "the elevator game" and such. You know, human beings often place a lot of mystery where it doesn't need to be, just about every death of any major figure has several conspiracy ideas, any major catastrophe has people thinking it's a government ploy to take guns or something. I'm not saying those things are not possible but i think you're better off just either not getting too wierd with the conspiracy stuff and coming to a simple conclusion or, just not coming to a conclusion at all. Not knowing things is not easy for people though.
 

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