Elections Bill Maher - New Rules - Why Dems Lost

I'd believe it a lot more if he did it some time other than the absolute 11th hour of his presidency. People tend to read between the lines on that pretty easy.
What is your point here? That he did it for the election? So what? It still addressed the core problem by reforming the asylum process which is the important part. Well, for those who actually care about the situation at the border at least. For someone like Trump the important part is being able to wield it as an election issue.
 
What is your point here? That he did it for the election? So what? It still addressed the core problem by reforming the asylum process which is the important part. Well, for those who actually care about the situation at the border at least. For someone like Trump the important part is being able to wield it as an election issue.
Yep. However he wants to spin it, someone pushed for something, the other against. Wanna just call it politics? Okay, fair enough. One person stopped the thing he wanted, the other was trying to get it done regardless of why. The material result changed.
 
What is your point here? That he did it for the election? So what? It still addressed the core problem by reforming the asylum process which is the important part. Well, for those who actually care about the situation at the border at least. For someone like Trump the important part is being able to wield it as an election issue.
again, both are trying to wield it but you're giving biden all the asspats for doing nothing for 3+ years and trying to squeeze it in at the last minute
 
again, both are trying to wield it but you're giving biden all the asspats for doing nothing for 3+ years and trying to squeeze it in at the last minute
Like I said you can criticize Biden for acting late on it but at the end of the day he had a bipartisan bill hammered out that addressed the core problem at the Southern border and Trump killed it purely to help his chances in an election year. Even Thune, the incoming Senate majority leader, said at the time that you couldn't expect a stronger bill even from a Republican Senate under a Republican President. And that's because it had buy in from mainstream Democrats.
 
The thing is, "going left" almost exclusively refers to social/gender issues and to tweets, statements, and other non-policy related shit. So "going further left" means more tranny stuff, more tweets about racial representation, more black Little Mermaids.

Economic, environmental, foreign policy issues simply don't exist. THAT is the real failure of the left. And a tremendous victory of the right because it keeps the attention away from policy (their weakness) and squarely on cultural, symbolic shit (huge strength).

How about the argument that going further left by pushing hard for universal healthcare, $15 minimum wage, increased taxes on billionaires, increasing housing supply to alleviate the housing crisis, a reduction of the military budget, free or reduced college tuition, going away from fossil fuels, stopping the genocide in Gaza, etc., is going to draw people in?
I do not disagree that the left in America could have some success in America specifically on those issues, especially in regards to economic & workers right issues, however I do not think that it would be as successful as some suspect, absent identity politics. Healthcare is the absolute biggest issue that the left should be doing better in and even then it is an incredibly hard sell to American's who actually do have decent health insurance. If healthcare is so contentious, I generally believe then that a push to the left is NOT what this country wants (which is different from what this country needs)
 
I'd believe it a lot more if he did it some time other than the absolute 11th hour of his presidency. People tend to read between the lines on that pretty easy.
Biden absolutely completely f***** up the border and they were sleeping on a major problem that was really happening. Democrats should just admit that and do better in the future.

However, it was the Republicans that shut down the border Bill Biden tried to pass even though it was way too late to be trying to pass it.
 
Biden absolutely completely f***** up the border and they were sleeping on a major problem that was really happening. Democrats should just admit that and do better in the future.
I was told Biden took steps to strengthen the border on day one.
 
I was told Biden took steps to strengthen the border on day one.
He did BUT failed to respond to the surging crisis. He deported more people than trump as a raw number and a percentage.

But it doesn't matter. They totally failed to recognize and address and stop the problem.

Cartels making millions bringing people in and indebted to them is serious.
 
Btw another great new rules .. don’t be stupid and cut out family because you vote differently..

 

This link says otherwise and I think it's more accurate but it doesn't matter because I'm not denying that the Democrats totally f***** up.
Going with the numbers from your article and the number of crossing from the chart I posted, Trump deportations as a percentage are much higher than Biden's. But I guess there's not much point to bickering about it. Glad you see how badly they fucked up.
 
Going with the numbers from your article and the number of crossing from the chart I posted, Trump deportations as a percentage are much higher than Biden's. But I guess there's not much point to bickering about it. Glad you see how badly they fucked up.
I do.

All I can find is conflicting data points
 
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NY Times: How Trump Won, and How Harris Lost

Can't read that due to the paywall but I don't think the hardcore MAGA support really decided the election, those people were never very likely to vote democrat anyway.

Its really more the mild traction Trumps politics got beyond that which is probably a factor and I think a massive issue there is simply he was the only game in town when it came to an anti establishment message.
 
Can't read that due to the paywall but I don't think the hardcore MAGA support really decided the election, those people were never very likely to vote democrat anyway.

Its really more the mild traction Trumps politics got beyond that which is probably a factor and I think a massive issue there is simply he was the only game in town when it came to an anti establishment message.

You can bypass any paywall by using internet archive. Just copy and paste your article into archive.ph.

This article below.

 
I do not disagree that the left in America could have some success in America specifically on those issues, especially in regards to economic & workers right issues, however I do not think that it would be as successful as some suspect, absent identity politics. Healthcare is the absolute biggest issue that the left should be doing better in and even then it is an incredibly hard sell to American's who actually do have decent health insurance. If healthcare is so contentious, I generally believe then that a push to the left is NOT what this country wants (which is different from what this country needs)

Yeah, people's interests change every cycle. During the Obama years and 2016 cycles, healthcare was a huge issue. Bernie gained a lot of steam on his universal healthcare proposals and Trump vowed to end Obamacare on day 1. Pretty crazy that that has been almost completely forgotten now. The right nor the left really talk about it as if the problem's been solved.

But the right dominating the messaging is the biggest political triumph I've seen in a while. The big questions politicians have to answer is, how woke are you going to be? How much for tranny and DEI and immigration stuff are your proposals? Even economic issues are framed around these things. Democrats have to change the focus because they're not gonna "beat" the Republicans on these issues. You're never going to out-anti woke a right winger.
 
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