Elections Bill Maher - New Rules - Why Dems Lost

[UberHere]

who is designating them a terrorist organization? the UPO was a terrorist organization.... to nazi germany.

A number of countries including Australia, Canada, Japan, New Zealand, and the United Kingdom, and the United States have designated Hamas as a terrorist organization.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

A number of countries including Australia, Canada, Japan, New Zealand, and the United Kingdom, and the United States have designated Hamas as a terrorist organization.

then probably not. every single one of those countries' militaries has committed worse atrocities than hamas could ever dream of, most of them ethnically-based. their opinions on "terrorism" means little to me.

 

[RoastBeast]

They didn't run on anything woke, but they supported woke policies. Biden was the one who extended Title IX to trans athletes and codified it into law. It's the actual government policies that people have a problem with.

They didn't run on it because it's unpopular. The times they were questioned about these policies, they gave deceptive non-answers.

This right here. They're stuck between a rock and a hard place because they would lose a certain percentage of their voting base if they spoke out against wokeness but they would alienate the large percentage of America if they continued to lean into it. Instead they tried to play the middle by avoiding it altogether and giving non answers when questioned about it.

Non answers are only given when the politician either doesn't know/have the answer or doesn't want to say it for fear that it will hurt them politically. So we basically knew the answer to all her non answered responses and we also had the receipts to back it up in the form of all her former comments and actions about wokeness.

Which is why I said all along that Kamala only says what she thinks will help her politically in the moment. When trans and BLM were the hot ticket, she was all about it. When they became unfavorable, she either dialed it back or stopped talking about it altogether. Zero convictions other than say whatever needs to be said to attain power. People saw right through that.

 

[KnightTemplar]

then probably not. every single one of those countries' militaries has committed worse atrocities than hamas could ever dream of, most of them ethnically-based. their opinions on "terrorism" means little to me.

 

[Deleted member 577981]

i just defined the terms. if you want it in a gradient form, good would be improving the lives of other people and evil would be harming the lives of other people. you know, basically the terms everyone already agrees on

So you can see under the definitions you've just listed that having a military accomplishes the good because it improves the lives of people by defending them from slaughter. So the military is good.


But also you haven't made the distinction between a person involved in an organization like the military and the organization itself.

A person involved in the military can do only good their entire lives and never once cause harm to anyone. But you said anyone who joins the military is evil. But that's not possible under your own definition of the terms.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

So you can see under the definitions you've just listed that having a military accomplishes the good because it improves the lives of people by defending them from slaughter. So the military is good.

except they don't lmao the last time mass slaughter from another nation was even on the table was at the G8 summit in july of 2001 when the white house was warned people wanted to fly jets into the world trade centers and they did absolutely nothing. as for inside the country, every couple years another incel guns down 30 people at a crowded event. and they don't stop any of it. what slaughter are they preventing?

But also you haven't made the distinction between a person involved in an organization like the military and the organization itself.

that's because there isn't one. when i say the military, i mean all of them.

A person involved in the military can do only good their entire lives and never once cause harm to anyone. But you said anyone who joins the military is evil. But that's not possible under your own definition of the terms.

every single person voluntarily making the western military industrial complex run is equally responsible.

 

[Deleted member 577981]

except they don't lmao the last time mass slaughter from another nation was even on the table was at the G8 summit in july of 2001 when the white house was warned people wanted to fly jets into the world trade centers and they did absolutely nothing. as for inside the country, every couple years another incel guns down 30 people at a crowded event. and they don't stop any of it. what slaughter are they preventing?

that's because there isn't one. when i say the military, i mean all of them.

every single person voluntaril making the western military industrial complex run is equally responsible.

you fail to understand that having the military we have stops all kinds of invasions and attacks. nobody ever said it stopped ALL harm though....

you also did not make the distinction between a military organization and the people who serve in it. many people never see combat and only serve in other roles and cause no harm and yet you are saying that they are all evil.... how is that possible under your definition of evil?

you have some good points but are not making enough distinctions is all that's going on here man.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

you fail to understand that having the military we have stops all kinds of invasions and attacks. nobody ever said it stopped ALL harm though....

so name some.

you also did not make the distinction between a military organization and the people who serve in it. many people never see combat and only serve in other roles and cause no harm and yet you are saying that they are all evil.... how is that possible under your definition of evil?

they are making it possible to do the evil shit. if you're just the guy who makes bottles for the zyklon B in the nazi gas chamber, you're still helping evil be committed.

you have some good points but are not making enough distinctions is all that's going on here man.

no you're just trying to find something to nitpick or a contradiction to catch me in and getting frustrated because i won't bite.

 

[Hog-train]

I saw that Jon Stewart show and I was rolling my eyes. I thought Jon was smarter than that. He's as dumb as all the liberals on here who passionately argued that the Democrats with their last minute hail Mary to resurrect the border bill (with Ukrainian aid rider provisions!) proved that they were the party that was really serious about protecting the border.

Give me a fucking break.

The Democratic party undermined our border security at nearly every possible opportunity for the past eight years. They made it clear over and over that they believe more illegal immigrants is good for our country, that this is our identity as a nation, to take them in without discrimination; that it's heartless to separate families even though they deliberately exploit a constitutional amendent to give birth to anchor babies, the "dreamers" the Democrats champion without exception, just as they unwaveringly sling every narrative fed to them about hardship and asylum when almost none of the migrants scurrying across the border are fleeing political persecution at all. Kamala had every chance to get the border under control. That was her one job, remember? She had no interest in it.

Why is the Democrat's opinion of people's intelligence so low? It's astounding they were so deluded they believed they could convince the American people otherwise at the last minute. It's even more astounding your stupidity persists after the election result to the point you think you failed because of this insincere effort, and not in spite of it. Because the American people saw through it. You can plainly see that in the exit polls. All the groups they regressed with, like Latinos, battleground state voters, swing voters, more moderate women voters: what were those group's responses when it came to border security, crime, and pandering to progressive social politics? The responses were clear as day. The voters saw the Democrats as weak and woke. Full stop.

A couple stupid commercials in the final seconds of the game wasn't going to change anyone's mind. You don't run the ball for 58 minutes, draw up a couple passing schemes in the last 2 minutes, then insist in the post-game press conference you're a passing offense. Nobody buys that fake as fuck nonsense. If you want people to see you as a passing team, you have to be a passing team.

You want Democrats to win? Stop getting those issues wrong. Rebuke #BLM. Rebuke politicians who pass soft-on-crime laws, and DAs who refuse to prosecute "civil disobedience". Rebuke these imbeciles who insist it's impossible to create a secure border with measures like a more robust border wall. Everyone knows you don't believe we can't secure the border, you just say it because you don't actually want to try.

Be that party on a day to day basis year in and year out. Your stupid campaign commercials aren't fooling anyone.

Multiple things can be true at once. What you said is true. But so is what @Islam Imamate said.

What you said is true.

Fact - Democrats had immigration wrong for a long time and was gaslighting the American problem that there was no border crisis. They indeed try to reverse course (on messaging) at the last minute, but the American public saw right through it.

BUT - It was the Republicans who insisted on the border bill and held the Ukraine and Israeli military aid bills hostage to get immigration reform passed. It wasn't the Democrats who were pushing for a border bill.

What Islam Imamate said is also true.

Fact. Trump and his allies in Congress killed this BIPARTISAN border bill that was largely written by a Republican because he wanted it as a campaign issue.

Fact. The border bill actually directly addressed a lot of the asylum abuse problems we're having now. It gave much more funding to be able to enforce the border, dramatically increased the ability to deal with backlogged asylum cases faster and a lot of other really good things.

I swear a lot of people didn't even actually read what was in the bill and just listened to propaganda and automatically dismissed it.

The border bill was GOOD.

 

[Deleted member 577981]

so name some.

they are making it possible to do the evil shit. if you're just the guy who makes bottles for the zyklon B in the nazi gas chamber, you're still helping evil be committed.

no you're just trying to find something to nitpick or a contradiction to catch me in and getting frustrated because i won't bite.

you still have not addressed the fact that a military accomplishes great good by stopping evil from taking place.

what about the guy that is a medic in the military and only saves lives? is he "evil". is that really all you can see in this person? is this a zero sum game for you?

why wont you address that?

you are using a device that uses child labor in sweat shops to be manufactured. are you evil for using that too?


when you say a person is evil what do you mean? all evil? what gradient of evil would you say a person who serves in the military is who has never taken a life? 100%? 50%? 20%

I'm not being nitpicky. this is a vast subject. people wrestle with these kinds of questions their whole lives. I do... but you seem to be certain about it all but when pressed don't really have answers.

 

[Hog-train]

because you can't possibly keep everyone from doing them and people aren't made athletically equal so someone will always have an "unfair" advantage.

So steroids is fine with you. And so is biological men competing against females. LMAO ok.

he was more athletically advantaged over his competition than any trans athlete has ever been lol and he averaged 50 ppg in a season (when the average was like 13) for that reason. sports aren't fair.

According to your logic, we shouldn't even have a male and female division then. After all, some women are more athletic than some men.

it's constantly in the media because republicans don't have any policy so they need to make boogeymen out of social issues. been this way forever.

They're going to keep making a boogeyman out of the issue because the Democrats are still being retarded about it. They're in the wrong - plain and simple.

They're going to keep running political ads on it because they're super effective.

You're trying to minimize it as some fringe issue when it's the premier social issue of this day. Dave Chappelle had people publicly protest Netflix for his jokes. JK Rowling has had an extended cancellation attempt and blackballing for years due to this.

You don't think it's worth identifying a mental condition and exploring means of dealing with it?

Did you see me making any kind of value judgment on this? I simply stated it's a real thing.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

So steroids is fine with you. And so is biological men competing against females. LMAO ok.

trans women's athletic performances are much closer to "biological women" than "biological men" as you have seen yourself meticulously inspecting lia thomas's times. you can't blame her because the talent level is lower in the women's division. fund it more and push it better so more women join then.

According to your logic, we shouldn't even have a male and female division then. After all, some women are more athletic than some men.

and when that is the case, we literally allow those women to compete with men, every time.

They're going to keep making a boogeyman out of the issue because the Democrats are still being retarded about it. They're in the wrong - plain and simple.

They're going to keep running political ads on it because they're super effective.

hilarious that you keep saying this despite every national exit poll having both sides not giving a shit about trans people lmao

 

[UberHere]

They can't win without them. The Dems need the center left and the far left to win. The problem is when you move the windows of acceptable left wing thought further left, the center left start to look a lot like the right.

Still bad strategy to go full retard to placate the far left. There’s no pleasing them no matter how far you go for them and they’re still voting democrat anyway.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

you still have not addressed the fact that a military accomplishes great good by stopping evil from taking place.

they literally don't. you're just making some retarded claim that simply having a military automatically stops some magical evil from taking place despite being under no immediate threat, even while i've given specific examples of this country being under immediate threat and the government/military doing jack shit about it.

what about the guy that is a medic in the military and only saves lives? is he "evil". is that really all you can see in this person? is this a zero sum game for you?

why wont you address that?

i'd say that's a bit more of a gray area, as you don't need to join the military to be a medic and save lives. same with military photographers. you can be a photographer, even in wartime, without joining the military.

you are using a device that uses child labor in sweat shops to be manufactured. are you evil for using that too?

the people who lobby for there to be no alternative option are evil. tell me one product anyone consumes regularly that doesn't involve slave labor somewhere. and i'm supposed to believe i'm the asshole despite being the only one in here calling for shit to change? yeah right.

when you say a person is evil what do you mean? all evil? what gradient of evil would you say a person who serves in the military is who has never taken a life? 100%? 50%? 20%

I'm not being nitpicky.

these are hilarious back to back. "can you summarize on a scale of 1 to 100 how evil each position in the military is? i'm not being nitpicky btw"

 

[Hog-train]

trans women's athletic performances are much closer to "biological women" than "biological men" as you have seen yourself meticulously inspecting lia thomas's times. you can't blame her because the talent level is lower in the women's division. fund it more and push it better so more women join then.

That's literally just you saying that.

Even the NCAA rules themselves are unfair. According to the rules, transwomen must take HRT and lower their testosterone to 10 NMOL/L.

The testosterone range of a biological female is .4 to 2.4 NMOL/L on the high end.

So the test level a transwomen must lower it to is still FIVE TIMES higher than the high end of a biological women. That is clearly unfair.

HS athletes are not tested at all or required to take HRT. You can literally just socially transition and complete in the girl's division.

and when that is the case, we literally allow those women to compete with men, every time.

I'm talking about allowing men to compete in the women's division with no restriction. Don't even have a women's division - just have one division.

hilarious that you keep saying this despite every national exit poll having both sides not giving a shit about trans people lmao

Hilarious that you keep saying no one cares when I literally showed polls that people do care.

Nothing to see here! No one cares!

Then why are you defending it to the death? Why is it always on the news? Why do people protest on the street for transphobia?

 

[Deleted member 577981]

they literally don't. you're just making some retarded claim that simply having a military automatically stops some magical evil from taking place despite being under no immediate threat, even while i've given specific examples of this country being under immediate threat and the government/military doing jack shit about it.

i'd say that's a bit more of a gray area, as you don't need to join the military to be a medic and save lives. same with military photographers. you can be a photographer, even in wartime, without joining the military.

the people who lobby for there to be no alternative option are evil. tell me one product anyone consumes regularly that doesn't involve slave labor somewhere. and i'm supposed to believe i'm the asshole despite being the only one in here calling for shit to change? yeah right.

these are hilarious back to back. "can you summarize on a scale of 1 to 100 how evil each position in the military is? i'm not being nitpicky btw"

its not a magical claim that having a military stops us from getting attacked man. its a factual statement. your position here is ridiculous. if we had no military at all we would also not have a country. you have not thought about this very deeply man. we would be destroyed without a military.

grey area is all I'm looking for from you. you are making black and white statements that you don't mean. obviously there is a LOT of grey area and you are failing to address that in your positions.

YOU said people are "evil" you are unwilling to make gradients between good and evil. that's black and white thinking man. you MUST make more distinctions than that or else you will find yourself on the evil side.

under your schema YOU are evil for using a device that is produced by slave labor.... and you participate in a society totally held up by the exploitation of other human beings. you could NOT use a cell phone or computer but you chose too.

I don't think you ARE EVIL but you are participating in an evil system. but you don't make distinctions like this. people in the military are just plain evil to you. and under your kind of thinking you are too.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

That's literally just you saying that.

Even the NCAA rules themselves are unfair. According to the rules, transwomen must take HRT and lower their testosterone to 10 NMOL/L.

The testosterone range of a biological female is .4 to 2.4 NMOL/L on the high end.

So the test level a transwomen must lower it to is still FIVE TIMES higher than the high end of a biological women. That is clearly unfair.

what do cis women's testosterone levels have to be?

I'm talking about allowing men to compete in the women's division with no restriction. Don't even have a women's division - just have one division.

and that exists. all over the place. some schools don't have women's sports in general so girls have to play on the boys' team or wrestle boys. happens all the time.

Hilarious that you keep saying no one cares when I literally showed polls that people do care.

no you showed me peoples opinions WHEN SOMEONE ELSE BRINGS IT UP TO THEM. they aren't walking up to the ballot box thinking about trans people. i posted exit polls of both sides of the aisle and the issues that affected their votes and trans shit was at the bottom of the list. you cannot dispute this.

Nothing to see here! No one cares!

Then why are you defending it to the death?

i'm not, you just care so fucking much you've quoted me 25 times now. you'll probably quote me 20 more times and claim i care a lot. you're wrong, i showed you how you're wrong, and now we're here because you can't let it go.

Why is it always on the news? Why do people protest on the street for transphobia?

because transphobia exists and there will be a small amount of people who care for it. people protest in the street about lizard people and circumcision too, doesn't mean those issues lost someone an election.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

its not a magical claim that having a military stops us from getting attacked man. its a factual statement. your position here is ridiculous. if we had no military at all we would also not have a country. you have not thought about this very deeply man. we would be destroyed without a military.

yeah they do, when you're under attack. i've asked you multiple times now to say who we were under attack from that the military stopped and you've given me nothing.

grey area is all I'm looking for from you. you are making black and white statements that you don't mean. obviously there is a LOT of grey area and you are failing to address that in your positions.

there's not a LOT of grey area. there's some miniscule grey area regarding semi-innocuous military jobs, but you've yet to address that military enlistment is now voluntary. the grey area would exist more in involuntary conscription.

YOU said people are "evil" you are unwilling to make gradients between good and evil. that's black and white thinking man. you MUST make more distinctions than that or else you will find yourself on the evil side.

were there khmer rouge/nazi/hutu militia members who weren't evil? is there any amount of good that they could do to justify the millions of bodies in their wake?

under your schema YOU are evil for using a device that is produced by slave labor.... and you participate in a society totally held up by the exploitation of other human beings. you could NOT use a cell phone or computer but you chose too.

i participate in this society while actively working to agitate and undermine it, educating people on its harms, and organizing to make it better. what else should i be doing? self-immolating? hunger strike? you're quite literally doing the meme at this point.

I don't think you ARE EVIL but you are participating in an evil system. but you don't make distinctions like this. people in the military are just plain evil to you. and under your kind of thinking you are too.

all the while, i'm actively trying to bring awareness and organize to change this evil system, but no i should just starve instead because the society i live in doesn't offer ethical food consumption. great take.

 

[Hog-train]

what do cis women's testosterone levels have to be?

Ciswomen just can't take steroids or PED's. WTF does this have to do with the unfair NCAA rules I stated.

The NCAA rules that stipulate how much a transwomen must lower their testosterone are unfair.

Stop avoiding the point.

and that exists. all over the place. some schools don't have women's sports in general so girls have to play on the boys' team or wrestle boys. happens all the time.

And women only divisions exist. happens all the time. That's why biological men shouldn't be there.

no you showed me peoples opinions WHEN SOMEONE ELSE BRINGS IT UP TO THEM. they aren't walking up to the ballot box thinking about trans people. i posted exit polls of both sides of the aisle and the issues that affected their votes and trans shit was at the bottom of the list. you cannot dispute this.

Uhmm yea. That's how you get opinions on topics. You ask them.

What a stupid critique.

I'm not, you just care so fucking much you've quoted me 25 times now. you'll probably quote me 20 more times and claim i care a lot. you're wrong, i showed you how you're wrong, and now we're here because you can't let it go.

You're the one who claims people don't care and that you don't care. So why are you vehemently defending it then? You're not letting it go and expect me to let it go. Nah I don't think so. You also failed to prove I'm somehow wrong.

I never claimed I don't care. I do care. And no I'm not going to let it go. Because it's wrong and an injustice.

because transphobia exists and there will be a small amount of people who care for it. people protest in the street about lizard people and circumcision too, doesn't mean those issues lost someone an election.

Yet even your own source showed people did care about it. And transphobia has nothing to do with this topic - it's about basic fairness in sport.

 

[Bob Gray]

then probably not. every single one of those countries' militaries has committed worse atrocities than hamas could ever dream of, most of them ethnically-based. their opinions on "terrorism" means little to me.

Holy shit, this is amazing.

"Joining the American military makes you evil and is similar to joining the Nazi party"

"What about joining Hamas?"

"Probably not".