Elections Bill Maher - New Rules - Why Dems Lost

Holy shit, this is amazing.

"Joining the American military makes you evil and is similar to joining the Nazi party"

"What about joining Hamas?"

"Probably not".


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can't refute anything morally or factually so you resort to "wow look at this!" i'm supposed to hate or fear a group of people designated terrorists by the most evil countries in modern history? lmao

are you one of the many shitlibs that only supports non-violent resistance?
 
yeah they do, when you're under attack. i've asked you multiple times now to say who we were under attack from that the military stopped and you've given me nothing.

there's not a LOT of grey area. there's some miniscule grey area regarding semi-innocuous military jobs, but you've yet to address that military enlistment is now voluntary. the grey area would exist more in involuntary conscription.

were there khmer rouge/nazi/hutu militia members who weren't evil? is there any amount of good that they could do to justify the millions of bodies in their wake?

i participate in this society while actively working to agitate and undermine it, educating people on its harms, and organizing to make it better. what else should i be doing? self-immolating? hunger strike? you're quite literally doing the meme at this point.

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I think you are trolling and totally full of s***.



all the while, i'm actively trying to bring awareness and organize to change this evil system, but no i should just starve instead because the society i live in doesn't offer ethical food consumption. great take.


I think you are trolling and are totally full of s***.

Nobody on the planet argues in good faith that having a military doesn't and has not stopped all kinds of aggressions. You just don't want to admit that because it would prove that having a military is not purely evil.

And if you actively participate in a system that is evil while trying to better it from within the same can be said of a soldier in the United States army who joined the army to better it from within. And in that case that soldier would then not be evil, just like you are not evil.


You also didn't answer my questions directly because you know you're wrong. You just don't want to admit it.

I won't be replying to you anymore.
 
I think you are trolling and are totally full of s***.

Nobody on the planet argues in good faith that having a military doesn't and has not stopped all kinds of aggressions. You just don't want to admit that because it would prove that having a military is not purely evil.
all i did was ask you to tell me these thwarted aggressions and you still can't. what aggressions is it stopping? hypothetical ones? i also never said "all militaries in every situation are evil" i said the american military is evil.
And if you actively participate in a system that is evil while trying to better it from within the same can be said of a soldier in the United States army who joined the army to better it from within. And in that case that soldier would then not be evil, just like you are not evil.
there have been soldiers who have done that, though nearly all simply changed their mind once they realized the horrors they were tasked with aiding. and i specifically stated i make an exception for that. you're calling my stance more black and white than it really is, though it is almost always black and white.
You also didn't answer my questions directly because you know you're wrong. You just don't want to admit it.
what did i not answer? feel free to ask again if i missed something.
I won't be replying to you anymore.
you could have done this a long time ago and saved yourself the torture of trying to rationalize your position
 
That shows up in the exit polls.

There is a bit of irony, here. Generally Biden did a solid job recovering from the pandemic, but it never showed up with the pricing of everyday goods, and the recovery for jobs and other "main street" metrics perhaps came too late. But then, I thought Trump did a good job sustaining us through the pandemic, economically, and while I didn't appreciate his rhetoric about Fauci, or encouraging anti-lockdown behavior, I think in terms of actions his administration did a very good job working with pharmaceutical companies to deliver a swift response. So it's ironic because I think Trump and Biden were both victimized by the same beast that was out of their control.

I just can't tolerate this nonsense spin that Democrats lost because they tried to appeal to centrists at the last minute only because they realized, in the 11th hour, that America hated their policies and rhetoric surrounding crime, the border, and all the woke shit for the past 8 years. Wokeism is a significant part of why Democrats lost. Americans don't want to tune into their televisions to see a bunch of college-aged brats holding major college campuses hostage, and all the people who have the power to put those little pricks in their place instead acquiescing to their every demand.

They're still trying to lie to themselves. They people who are pro-woke are still trying to convince everyone that wokeism isn't broadly unpopular. "This isn't the reason, look!" Well, it is. It's one of the reasons. People hate it. Centrists hate it.

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It's revisionism by leftists (not liberals) because they never felt represented by the democratic party. They completely ignore the 1990s and pretend that moving to the right/center has never worked. A campaign ad does not make it so. Imagine after this election thinking that the American public wants candidates that are further to the left.
 
Its not like Biden made token references to border security, he got a bipartisan bill hammered out that was written by a Republican and endorsed by the Border Patrol Union. It was tangible legislation that would've made measurable progress on the border situation and it was voted down because Trump wanted it as an election issue. You can say its electoral politics by the Dems but so what? We want electoral politics to influence politicians towards compromise and bipartisan legislation that helps the country and we shouldn't want politicians voting down bills that provide measurable improvement just because it helps them in the upcoming election.
It's funny because I was going to post about how Biden followed the exact path I outlined - Which is to say that he had a very permissive attitude towards illegal aliens until he couldn't - And basically it forced me to do some research so that it doesn't appear like I'm talking out of my ass (Even though we all know it's true, because we have followed politics for the last 4 years) and then I found a Wiki article while Googling and it basically summarized my point for me.
The immigration policy of American President Joseph Biden initially focused on reversing many of the immigration policies of the previous Trump administration, before implementing stricter enforcement mechanisms later in his term.

During his first day in office, Biden unveiled the U.S. Citizenship Act of 2021 and reversed many of Trump's policies on immigration, such as halting the construction of the Mexican border wall, travel ban, and signed an executive order to reaffirm protections for DACA recipients.[1][2][3] The Biden administration and Department of Homeland Security, under leadership of Alejandro Mayorkas, reined in deportation practices of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), prioritizing national security and violent crime concerns over petty and nonviolent offenses.[4]

Again, the point is that Dem's are forced to compromise once it is evident that public opinion has turned against them, and then we congratulate them for trying to solve the problem. Biden may have gotten serious but only after millions entered.
 
can't refute anything morally or factually so you resort to "wow look at this!" i'm supposed to hate or fear a group of people designated terrorists by the most evil countries in modern history? lmao

are you one of the many shitlibs that only supports non-violent resistance?

You didn't present any facts or arguments from morality, why would I have to refute it as such? You gave me your opinion, not facts. My opinion is that your opinion is ridiculous. If you made some sort of argument supporting your position, maybe I could go from there, but you didn't.

Look, do you think Hamas is an evil group or not?
 
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You can say its electoral politics by the Dems but so what? We want electoral politics to influence politicians towards compromise and bipartisan legislation that helps the country and we shouldn't want politicians voting down bills that provide measurable improvement just because it helps them in the upcoming election.
people are disillusioned with the biden administration being asleep at the wheel and counting on people to have the attn spans of goldfish for the [election year] good cliche
 
You didn't present any facts or arguments from morality, why would I have to refute it as such? You gave me your opinion, not facts. My opinion is that your opinion is ridiculous. If you made some sort of argument supporting your position, maybe I could go from there, but you didn't.
the factual argument is that every one of those militaries has done the equivalent of 1000 october 7ths.
Look, do you think Hamas is an evil group or not?
they absolutely can be.
 
the factual argument is that every one of those militaries has done the equivalent of 1000 october 7ths.

Well, you can certainly say whatever you want, but that doesn't make it true.

Even so, for the sake of argument only, I'll just accept that as true.

But that's meaningless as to whether or not Hamas is also an evil evil group. The worst the world has ever had to offer is not the litmus test for morality. Just like someone who "only" murders one person might not be on par with Ted Bundy, it's still an act that by default is evil and reflects the person as such. This whole tactic of attempting to sidestep putting the same label on a group like Hamas because the argument is they haven't been "as bad" as some other group is meaningless to the question I asked you.

they absolutely can be.

This is precisely the kind of lazy, non-committal answer I expected. Any military group "can" be evil, that wasn't my question. You didnt say that the U.S. Military "can be" evil, you applied the term universally and compared them directly to being Nazis.

Yet the group who's sole purpose is the indiscriminent eradication of an entire group of people, women and children included and with a giant dollop of as much rape as possible, somehow side steps this same label being universally applied. Them, you give as much exception as possible, for some reason.

Your double standard here is grossly apparent and whatever rationality your applying is inconsistent at best.
 
Well, you can certainly say whatever you want, but that doesn't make it true.
but it is. every one of those countries is responsible for numbers of civilian deaths that are thousands of times higher than those that died on october 7th. wtf? are you really pretending that's not a factual statement? civilian casualties of the war on terror alone are 4 million plus. japan's kantō massacre alone was 6000 people. not to mention hundreds of thousands dead at their hands in other 20th century wars and genocides. new zealand and australia massacred indigenous populations by the hundred-thousand to build their colonies. it's not true because i'm saying it. im saying it because it's true.
Even so, for the sake of argument only, I'll just accept that as true.

But that's meaningless as to whether or not Hamas is also an evil evil group.
less murder is better than more murder, hope that clears it up.
The worst the world has ever had to offer is not the litmus test for morality. Just like someone who "only" murders one person might not be on par with Ted Bundy, it's still an act that by default is evil and reflects the person as such.
committing more evil doesn't make you more evil? are we just supposed to guess who's bad then?
This whole tactic of attempting to sidestep putting the same label on a group like Hamas because the argument is they haven't been "as bad" as some other group is meaningless to the question I asked you.
and i said they have done evil shit. so what's the problem? i'm not saying they aren't evil, but if we put evil on a scale from 1-100 like that other dude suggested, they'd be a shit ton lower than the countries who designate them terrorists.
This is precisely the kind of lazy, non-committal answer I expected. Any military group "can" be evil, that wasn't my question. You didnt say that the U.S. Military "can be" evil, you applied the term universally and compared them directly to being Nazis.
yes, they have committed evil acts, significantly less than those that oppose them.
Yet the group who's sole purpose is the indiscriminent eradication of an entire group of people, women and children included and with a giant dollop of as much rape as possible,
literally made up. off rip you're just making shit up. if you arent reading anything on the palestine/israel conflict, and are just parroting lies from AIPAC-sponsored politicians who are parroting lies from IDF soldiers, cool. but if you care about this conflict at all, read even a few articles.
somehow side steps this same label being universally applied. Them, you give as much exception as possible, for some reason.

Your double standard here is grossly apparent and whatever rationality your applying is inconsistent at best.
there is no double standard. there is a scale of morality. genuine question here, have you ever played fallout 3? or red dead redemption? any sort of video game with a karma system? any person, and therefore group of people, both does good things and bad things. if you know all of the things they've done, you can see what outweighs what. why are you making me explain something this simple to you?

in hamas' case, i don't know if the evil they've done registers as evilly considering the evil they've been subjected to at the hands of israel and its allies.
 
It's funny because I was going to post about how Biden followed the exact path I outlined - Which is to say that he had a very permissive attitude towards illegal aliens until he couldn't - And basically it forced me to do some research so that it doesn't appear like I'm talking out of my ass (Even though we all know it's true, because we have followed politics for the last 4 years) and then I found a Wiki article while Googling and it basically summarized my point for me.


Again, the point is that Dem's are forced to compromise once it is evident that public opinion has turned against them, and then we congratulate them for trying to solve the problem. Biden may have gotten serious but only after millions entered.
Criticize Biden over the border if you want but the bipartisan border bill he hammered out was in fact an improvement that helped address the core problem of the asylum process. I'm not saying Biden was the border candidate and did nothing wrong in regard to the Southern border, I'm saying it was wrong for the GOP to vote down a bipartisan bill written in part by one of their own just because it helped their candidate in an election year. If they were willing to play politics over it it probably wasn't that important to them and tbh I don't think it really is to most Republicans, its mainly an election year talking point.
 
It's revisionism by leftists (not liberals) because they never felt represented by the democratic party. They completely ignore the 1990s and pretend that moving to the right/center has never worked. A campaign ad does not make it so. Imagine after this election thinking that the American public wants candidates that are further to the left.

The Democrats know this but they are further to the left than America wants. What they're clearly doing is just pandering toward centrists to garner votes and then acting on radical left ideas once they gain office.

Luckily America saw right through the farce and voted to keep them out of power.
 
It's revisionism by leftists (not liberals) because they never felt represented by the democratic party. They completely ignore the 1990s and pretend that moving to the right/center has never worked. A campaign ad does not make it so. Imagine after this election thinking that the American public wants candidates that are further to the left.
No one really knows what the electorate wants until election night, not even the electorate itself. People were going on and on for months about how both candidates are too old and we need fresh blood, in comes Kamala and she still gets trounced by the guy a decade and a half older than her.
 
Criticize Biden over the border if you want but the bipartisan border bill he hammered out was in fact an improvement that helped address the core problem of the asylum process. I'm not saying Biden was the border candidate and did nothing wrong in regard to the Southern border, I'm saying it was wrong for the GOP to vote down a bipartisan bill written in part by one of their own just because it helped their candidate in an election year. If they were willing to play politics over it it probably wasn't that important to them and tbh I don't think it really is to most Republicans, its mainly an election year talking point.
Our immigration process needs reform but I don't think Republicans are actually that concerned about it for the most part. I think it's just politics and judging by the actions shown with shutting down the bill I don't see other conclusion to arrive at
 
Criticize Biden over the border if you want but the bipartisan border bill he hammered out was in fact an improvement that helped address the core problem of the asylum process. I'm not saying Biden was the border candidate and did nothing wrong in regard to the Southern border, I'm saying it was wrong for the GOP to vote down a bipartisan bill written in part by one of their own just because it helped their candidate in an election year. If they were willing to play politics over it it probably wasn't that important to them and tbh I don't think it really is to most Republicans, its mainly an election year talking point.
not giving a shit about our border crisis until election year and then trying to fast track a bill in the last few months for a bulletpoint on your election race is a very dishonest move. we can cancel the bad faith and call it a funny little bit of gamesmanship on both sides. biden got the worse end of the deal for election and the american people got the worse end of the deal on immigration for years due to democrat inaction.
Our immigration process needs reform but I don't think Republicans are actually that concerned about it for the most part. I think it's just politics and judging by the actions shown with shutting down the bill I don't see other conclusion to arrive at
yeah let's wait for the republicans to fast track legal status to 300k haitians, then we can truly say they care for it as little as dems
 
They completely ignore the 1990s and pretend that moving to the right/center has never worked. A campaign ad does not make it so. Imagine after this election thinking that the American public wants candidates that are further to the left.

The thing is, "going left" almost exclusively refers to social/gender issues and to tweets, statements, and other non-policy related shit. So "going further left" means more tranny stuff, more tweets about racial representation, more black Little Mermaids.

Economic, environmental, foreign policy issues simply don't exist. THAT is the real failure of the left. And a tremendous victory of the right because it keeps the attention away from policy (their weakness) and squarely on cultural, symbolic shit (huge strength).

How about the argument that going further left by pushing hard for universal healthcare, $15 minimum wage, increased taxes on billionaires, increasing housing supply to alleviate the housing crisis, a reduction of the military budget, free or reduced college tuition, going away from fossil fuels, stopping the genocide in Gaza, etc., is going to draw people in?
 
not giving a shit about our border crisis until election year and then trying to fast track a bill in the last few months for a bulletpoint on your election race is a very dishonest move. we can cancel the bad faith and call it a funny little bit of gamesmanship on both sides. biden got the worse end of the deal for election and the american people got the worse end of the deal on immigration for years due to democrat inaction.
The "gamesmanship" here by Biden was trying to get something done about the border and for Trump it was stopping that, those aren't the same at all.
 
The "gamesmanship" here by Biden was trying to get something done about the border and for Trump it was stopping that, those aren't the same at all.
I'd believe it a lot more if he did it some time other than the absolute 11th hour of his presidency. People tend to read between the lines on that pretty easy.
 

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