Bigger PPV? Jones-Cormier or Jones-Gustafson?

[RB777]

Jones-Cormier no doubt, that can potentially ascend Jones to GOAT. A rematch with Gus does not do that, just confirmation of Jones superiority.

Yes, but fans also hunger for sequels to incredible fights.

Do think DC fight might have a higher ppv though.

 

[Got GOAT]

I think Greg Jackson will make sure Jon punishes Dan for his take down deficiencies.

Can't wait to see the post fight action between you and Jeremy.

Jon knows his range control far better than DC does. He's proven it as a champion against the best, Gustafsson included. Gustafsson had his jab to close, maintain and keep distance (and thus his range), while DC will not have this on his side to the same degree. If DC cannot get in relatively easily on Jon then he's screwed because in outer boxing range and certainly inside kicking range, Jon will fuck him up. Gustafsson had the length going for him (kicks and punches), footwork and range control of his own for this, along with the best jab in MMA to do the aforementioned (close, maintain and keep distance). DC does not have this like Gus does.

Now, if DC can jab his way in or manage to freeze Jon up from the distance to get in, when inside he can clinch fight Jon and almost certainly beat him there. He can hurt him in there and obviously take him down too. However, that's assuming he can close that gap relatively easily first, and likely a multitude of times, without taking too much damage, while still managing to work well inside there at that.

DC will have his work cut out for him because you don't just pass an 84.5" wingspan so easily without a great jab for entering (which he doesn't have), great teeps/kicks for entering (which he doesn't have), or the effective single or double leg shot (which he hasn't yet shown against high level competition in MMA).

If somehow DC can manage to get in, stay in, and repeat the process then he's practically guaranteed to beat Jones. I just know that it won't be as easy as he likely thinks it will be.

 

[RB777]

Jon knows his range control far better than DC does. He's proven it as a champion against the best, Gustafsson included. Gustafsson had his jab to close, maintain and keep distance (and thus his range), while DC will not have this on his side to the same degree. If DC cannot get in relatively easily on Jon then he's screwed because in outer boxing range and certainly inside kicking range, Jon will fuck him up. Gustafsson had the length going for him (kicks and punches), footwork and range control of his own for this, along with the best jab in MMA to do the aforementioned (close, maintain and keep distance). DC does not have this like Gus does.

Now, if DC can jab his way in or manage to freeze Jon up from the distance to get in, when inside he can clinch fight Jon and almost certainly beat him there. He can hurt him in there and obviously take him down too. However, that's assuming he can close that gap relatively easily first, and likely a multitude of times, without taking too much damage, while still managing to work well inside there at that.

DC will have his work cut out for him because you don't just pass an 84.5" wingspan so easily without a great jab for entering (which he doesn't have), great teeps/kicks for entering (which he doesn't have), or the effective single or double leg shot (which he hasn't yet shown against high level competition in MMA).

If somehow DC can manage to get in, stay in, and repeat the process then he's practically guaranteed to beat Jones. I just know that it won't be as easy as he likely thinks it will be.

How will Cormier's knee handle oblique kicks? I think Jones might even try to slam Cormier to let him know that two can play at that game. There are just too many things Jones can do that Dan can't or hasn't.

Ever see a DC flying knee? Shoulder torque? Oblique kick? High kick? Spinning elbow?
Maybe he has but haven't seen him change a fight with them. Jones on the other hand has already set the tone in fights using these moves.

Dan can win, but it will have to be his best performance ever and will need a big gas tank if it makes it to the later rounds.

 

[Got GOAT]

How will Cormier's knee handle oblique kicks? I think Jones might even try to slam Cormier to let him know that two can play at that game. There are just too many things Jones can do that Dan can't or hasn't.

Exactly. Getting around Jones' oblique kicks, front snap kicks (or teeps), and his jab will be a challenge for him I bet. Count on his jab looking better than ever too. Add in his footwork and speed and it will be more challenging to get in and stay in for DC. But even inside, DC will still have to worry about Jones' clinch TDs and his elbows. This is exactly why I don't believe it'll be too easy for DC to just rush in and clinch with Jon. Even if he can, he still has to worry about the clinch weapons that Jon possesses (from strikes to throws and trips).

Ever see a DC flying knee? Shoulder torque? Oblique kick? High kick? Spinning elbow?
Maybe he has but haven't seen him change a fight with them. Jones on the other hand has already set the tone in fights using these moves.

He's never hit a flying knee that I've seen, certainly never wrenched anybody's shoulder with hooks in (with an overhook that is), and I've certainly never seen a spinning elbow from him either. So agreed. Jones has done all of this, of course. He hurt Glover so bad with that shoulder wrench that he couldn't box properly (inside the pocket, where he used to shine) and Jones lit him up even easier than he would have without injuring his shoulder.

Dan can win, but it will have to be his best performance ever and will need a big gas tank if it makes it to the later rounds.

Absolutely. Don't get me wrong with that either. He'll have to find a way to close the distance safely every time and do it many times, in all likeliness. His gas tank too is also certainly questionable against a beast like Jon. If he can't impose his will and gameplan in the first 2 or 3 rounds, it's Jon's fight to lose (or win even).

 

[JKS]

Guess we'll have to wait and find out

 

[blaccbeard]

Then, there's the lack of racial diversity in a Jones-DC match-up too. A concept known as 'racial identification' is present in an African vs. Caucasian fight (or any other different race), and since DC and Jones are both black, they'll only be identified mostly with blacks. That's a scientific fact, actually. More Caucasian/white people watch MMA and the UFC than any other race, and last I checked, Gustafsson is white. This is a cold, hard fact.

This racial identification bullshit might be true for racist pieces of shit but for the rest of us it sounds like bullshit. Some of my favourite films Braveheart, LOTR, etc. have all white casts and i wouldn't have it any other way. As a person of color i don't need to see black people in my films or in my fights to have someone to identify with, i just enjoy good entertainment period. And i refuse to believe that most white MMA fans wont be able to enjoy the DC Jones fight just cause theirs no white guy to root for.

But this racial identification shit sounds like just dumb enough of a reason to explain most of the Jones hate. People like you can't "racially identify" with Jones as you put it, so you make up every excuse you can to hate on him publicly in this forum, instead of just manning the fuck up and saying you dont like him as the champ because you can't "racially identify" with him and would much rather have Gus represent you lol. It all makes sense now.

Carry on.

 

[Got GOAT]

This racial identification bullshit might be true for racist pieces of shit but for the rest of us it sounds like bullshit. Some of my favourite films Braveheart, LOTR, etc. have all white casts and i wouldn't have it any other way. As a person of color i don't need to see black people in my films or in my fights to have someone to identify with, i just enjoy good entertainment period. And i refuse to believe that most white MMA fans wont be able to enjoy the DC Jones fight just cause theirs no white guy to root for.

But this racial identification shit sounds like just dumb enough of a reason to explain most of the Jones hate. People like you can't "racially identify" with Jones as you put it, so you make up every excuse you can to hate on him publicly in this forum, instead of just manning the fuck up and saying you dont like him as the champ because you can't "racially identify" with him and would much rather have Gus represent you lol. It all makes sense now.

Carry on.

It's well known, not sure what you're whining about here? I didn't create it so your anger is misdirected. I give Jon credit where it's due, regardless of my race, and I am pulling for him to beat DC. As a Jones "hater" I'm quite fair, I must say. Racial identification is ingrained into everybody at the lowest level. Even Jones himself can only identify with a single athlete outside of his own race in his Top 5 influential athletes of all time list (and that's GSP, a guy he's already trained with at his own training facility and befriended). :wink:

 

[blaccbeard]

It's well known, not sure what you're whining about here? I didn't create it so your anger is misdirected. I give Jon credit where it's due, regardless of my race, and I am pulling for him to beat DC. As a Jones "hater" I'm quite fair, I must say. Racial identification is ingrained into everybody at the lowest level. Even Jones himself can only identify with a single athlete outside of his own race in his Top 5 influential athletes of all time list (and that's GSP, a guy he's already trained with at his own training facility and befriended). :wink:

Sooooo still a coward, s'all you had to say.

 

[Saunamajuri]

Jones - cormier will be bigger.
The media hype, Cormier coming from HW, the trashtalk, the brawl in the press conference.

Meanwhile Gus was alittle flying under the radar before Jones - Gus 1. Many believed the fight would be a onesided domination based on how Gus lost against Davis which naturally lessened the hype coming in the fight.

 

[IHWBass57]

It will be bigger then the first Gus match, will it be bigger if Jones and Gus both get passed their opponents? I think so. Every Jones fight will be bigger then the last.

 

[psyops]

I don't know what will sell more but jones vs dc on paper is the best fight in a long long time

 

[AP_RESURRECTION]

I think people are interested if Gus can train those few things that stopped him from wining the first fight.

They are curious to how hungry or haunted he is after playing that first fight over and over in his head and all the tips, training partners and game plans he has had since.

Will he make an example of Jones.

Or will Jones make an example of him.

Everyone wants to know!

haha yea i mean maybe hard cores, casuals want to see that smack talk

 

[K1MMA]

By taking a blind guess, I'd say Jones Cormier.

 

[Kinger85]

Jones/Cormier for sure. And it wouldn't even be close.

This PPV will do 200,000 more buys in January than if it was Jones/Gus 2.

 

[Godzilla3232]

Jones/Cormier easily. Cormier is the more dangerous opponent, that fight isn't a rematch and there's a TON of established bad blood between them.

 

[RB777]

It will be bigger then the first Gus match, will it be bigger if Jones and Gus both get passed their opponents? I think so. Every Jones fight will be bigger then the last.

Hadn't thought of this, but a very interesting possibility.

Snowball effect...very interesting.

 

[RB777]

Jones/Cormier easily. Cormier is the more dangerous opponent, that fight isn't a rematch and there's a TON of established bad blood between them.

Do you remember somewhere that Jones said he "owed Gus a whooping" after their first fight?

I think he is the type to stew, brew and ferment over threats...so if he gets past DC, he will he be locked and loaded to hush the chatter over the first Gus fight.

 

[RB777]

haha yea i mean maybe hard cores, casuals want to see that smack talk

For sure, two smack talking wrestlers have that WWE feel.

 

[RB777]

I don't know what will sell more but jones vs dc on paper is the best fight in a long long time

On paper...this one is out of control!

 

[RB777]

Exactly. Getting around Jones' oblique kicks, front snap kicks (or teeps), and his jab will be a challenge for him I bet. Count on his jab looking better than ever too. Add in his footwork and speed and it will be more challenging to get in and stay in for DC. But even inside, DC will still have to worry about Jones' clinch TDs and his elbows. This is exactly why I don't believe it'll be too easy for DC to just rush in and clinch with Jon. Even if he can, he still has to worry about the clinch weapons that Jon possesses (from strikes to throws and trips).



He's never hit a flying knee that I've seen, certainly never wrenched anybody's shoulder with hooks in (with an overhook that is), and I've certainly never seen a spinning elbow from him either. So agreed. Jones has done all of this, of course. He hurt Glover so bad with that shoulder wrench that he couldn't box properly (inside the pocket, where he used to shine) and Jones lit him up even easier than he would have without injuring his shoulder.



Absolutely. Don't get me wrong with that either. He'll have to find a way to close the distance safely every time and do it many times, in all likeliness. His gas tank too is also certainly questionable against a beast like Jon. If he can't impose his will and gameplan in the first 2 or 3 rounds, it's Jon's fight to lose (or win even).

Will be interesting if mental toughness and fight IQ are the deciding factors.