Bigger PPV? Jones-Cormier or Jones-Gustafson?

[jeremyemilio]

jones -cormier will be bigger because it is a title fight.

boom ^^^

 

[LongTermLurker]

I would guess the DC fight but the first JJ/Gus fight was great and could make great promos.

 

[LongTermLurker]

The green belt above me made me laugh. All of the polls say that he's wrong and many of those people aren't even hardcore fans.

That 'beef' between Jones and DC has all been forgotten about. In fact, people were laughing at how desperate the UFC was to air it on their last PPV, it was seriously cringeworthy. The Jones-Gustafsson fight speaks for itself, Gustafsson didn't need to shove him and get into a brawl in front of the media with Jones to create some buzz, he/they did it with their actual fighting in the cage. That "brawl" was very pointless and nothing actually came of it, just Jones swinging like a girl and dudes swarming DC and getting him down to the ground.

Lame. The Jones-Gustafsson rematch will easily outsell Jones-Cormier in PPV buys. I'll even bet on it. It's common fuckin sense really.

Anyone on an MMA forum or website is hardcore fan.

 

[jeremyemilio]

You people are putting way too much stock into a scuffle that happened months ago, of which nothing of substance came from. DC is more well known than Gustafsson is? No. When he lands the cover of EA Sports' UFC 2015, let me know. Gustafsson has already done this. Their fight won Fight of the Year and was voted by fans as literally the GREATEST fight of all time. Then, there's the lack of racial diversity in a Jones-DC match-up too. A concept known as 'racial identification' is present in an African vs. Caucasian fight (or any other different race), and since DC and Jones are both black, they'll only be identified mostly with blacks. That's a scientific fact, actually. More Caucasian/white people watch MMA and the UFC than any other race, and last I checked, Gustafsson is white. This is a cold, hard fact.

Just because Cormier is a former Olympian (and captain of his team at that) doesn't mean that people will know who he is, or even care much about his background. Did you know of DC when he was an Olympic freestyle wrestler? Most people didn't know who he was at the time, and many people simply didn't care (and still don't). There are literally tons of olympians from all kinds of sports and nobody can possibly remember every single one, not to mention that DC also never medaled in wrestling at the Olympic games.

Also, being "undefeated" doesn't mean as much as you think, not to mention that technically Jones is not undefeated anyway. DC also moved down from a very shallow division in talent depth and is pretty unproven at LHW apart from beating Hendo (who is way past his prime by now) so there's that too. And even the hardcore fans will know that Henderson was off his TRT when DC beat him.

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[Thaimasker]

Then, there's the lack of racial diversity in a Jones-DC match-up too. A concept known as 'racial identification' is present in an African vs. Caucasian fight (or any other different race), and since DC and Jones are both black, they'll only be identified mostly with blacks. That's a scientific fact, actually. More Caucasian/white people watch MMA and the UFC than any other race, and last I checked, Gustafsson is white. This is a cold, hard fact.

Didn't Jones-Rashad do like 700k buys...People love some black on black grudge fights

As it stands jones-dc is bigger but jones-gus 2 has potential to top it.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

The green belt above me made me laugh. All of the polls say that he's wrong and many of those people aren't even hardcore fans.

That 'beef' between Jones and DC has all been forgotten about. In fact, people were laughing at how desperate the UFC was to air it on their last PPV, it was seriously cringeworthy. The Jones-Gustafsson fight speaks for itself, Gustafsson didn't need to shove him and get into a brawl in front of the media with Jones to create some buzz, he/they did it with their actual fighting in the cage. That "brawl" was very pointless and nothing actually came of it, just Jones swinging like a girl and dudes swarming DC and getting him down to the ground.

Lame. The Jones-Gustafsson rematch will easily outsell Jones-Cormier in PPV buys. I'll even bet on it. It's common fuckin sense really.

So basically you think the Jones-Gus match will sell better because Gus and Jones did nothing to hype it up? The lack of hype certainly might explain why their first fight did not sell very well.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

Anyone on an MMA forum or website is hardcore fan.

This is a pretty straightforward assertion. I agree.

 

[iwhoopedbatman]

Cormier fight definitely has more hype and is the easier/bigger sell

Gus is the better fight. Jones will wreck Cormier.

 

[RB777]

Cormier fight definitely has more hype and is the easier/bigger sell

Gus is the better fight. Jones will wreck Cormier.

I like this a lot.

Both of these will be dynamite no matter what...Dana must be in heaven!

 

[RB777]

the video of the stare down fight and ensuing beef makes this answer pretty obvious

You would think so...right?

The tension building over this (Gus) one for a longer time could surprise us though.

 

[Got GOAT]

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Yeah, I'm a 'racist' for having only 1 black guy as my favorite for my sig, despite telling you that racial identification is a scientific observation itself? LOL. GTFO and lay off the booze, kid. You're pulling the race card for someone that has PLENTY of racially diverse favorite fighters, you town crier.

Didn't Jones-Rashad do like 700k buys...People love some black on black grudge fights

As it stands jones-dc is bigger but jones-gus 2 has potential to top it.

No, it isn't. The first Jones-Gus fight won fight of the year, literally the greatest fight of all time (fan voted) and of course landed Gus on the cover along with Jon for the 2014 EA UFC game. Most casuals really do not know who DC is. I can attest to that much given I have lots of friends that still have no clue. It still lacks racial diversity completely, where some of the biggest rematches in history meet that requirement (Silva vs. Sonnen II & Silva vs. Weidman II).

So basically you think the Jones-Gus match will sell better because Gus and Jones did nothing to hype it up? The lack of hype certainly might explain why their first fight did not sell very well.

Where'd you get that idea? I said that their first fight obviously speaks for itself, no "hype" generation needed from the UFC hype machine. Their first fight didn't do well because Gustafsson was more or less an unknown to casuals. That isn't the case these days. Learn to read.

 

[jeremyemilio]

Yeah, I'm a 'racist' for having only 1 black guy as my favorite for my sig, despite telling you that racial identification is a scientific observation itself? LOL. GTFO and lay off the booze, kid. You're pulling the race card for someone that has PLENTY of racially diverse favorite fighters, you town crier.



No, it isn't. The first Jones-Gus fight won fight of the year, literally the greatest fight of all time (fan voted) and of course landed Gus on the cover along with Jon for the 2014 EA UFC game. Most casuals really do not know who DC is. I can attest to that much given I have lots of friends that still have no clue. It still lacks racial diversity completely, where some of the biggest rematches in history meet that requirement (Silva vs. Sonnen II & Silva vs. Weidman II).



Where'd you get that idea? I said that their first fight obviously speaks for itself, no "hype" generation needed from the UFC hype machine. Their first fight didn't do well because Gustafsson was more or less an unknown to casuals. That isn't the case these days. Learn to read.

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[Got GOAT]

Race is a myth...

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..."kid."

Actually, it isn't. Not to mention that you're that Sherdogger that ducked me that one night when I asked for DC shooting in OUT of clinch range, and you failed to comply. I even called you on it and of course all I heard was crickets. In the highlight you posted, boasting how great of a wrestler (in MMA) he is, he shot once from the range I specified and it looked god awful. :icon_lol: You're not to be taken seriously, Jeremy boy.

 

[Obsidian]

You people are putting way too much stock into a scuffle that happened months ago, of which nothing of substance came from. DC is more well known than Gustafsson is? No. When he lands the cover of EA Sports' UFC 2015, let me know. Gustafsson has already done this. Their fight won Fight of the Year and was voted by fans as literally the GREATEST fight of all time. Then, there's the lack of racial diversity in a Jones-DC match-up too. A concept known as 'racial identification' is present in an African vs. Caucasian fight (or any other different race), and since DC and Jones are both black, they'll only be identified mostly with blacks. That's a scientific fact, actually. More Caucasian/white people watch MMA and the UFC than any other race, and last I checked, Gustafsson is white. This is a cold, hard fact.

Just because Cormier is a former Olympian (and captain of his team at that) doesn't mean that people will know who he is, or even care much about his background. Did you know of DC when he was an Olympic freestyle wrestler? Most people didn't know who he was at the time, and many people simply didn't care (and still don't). There are literally tons of olympians from all kinds of sports and nobody can possibly remember every single one, not to mention that DC also never medaled in wrestling at the Olympic games.

Also, being "undefeated" doesn't mean as much as you think, not to mention that technically Jones is not undefeated anyway. DC also moved down from a very shallow division in talent depth and is pretty unproven at LHW apart from beating Hendo (who is way past his prime by now) so there's that too. And even the hardcore fans will know that Henderson was off his TRT when DC beat him.

So your basically saying Gus because hes white (see below). Even though Gus tied with Texiera for Jones lowest PPV buy rate to date.

Didn't Jones-Rashad do like 700k buys...People love some black on black grudge fights

As it stands jones-dc is bigger but jones-gus 2 has potential to top it.

Plus Rashad vs Rampage also did over a million buys. For a non title fight. I cant think of another non title fight that had more buys.

 

[Shogun Rising]

Fair play. I think - provided the DC fight goes as, unfortunately, planned - we'll see this in reality. The hype for Gus v JJ 2 will be enormous. The banter, the shittalk, will not because Europeans (yes we do) have manners and a lacking sense of marketability (Potato Picker Conor notwithstanding). But It'll get up there. And we'll have our rematch. The only question remaining is who DC will school next, provided he fails against JJ. I don't even have a bet here.

If he loses to Jones he probably fights Johnson or beats the hell out of Davis.

Another thing they could potentially use for marketing the Gustafsson rematch assuming Jon wins is that this could be Jon's last fight at 205. He's been eluding to it, and I'm personally skeptical, but the Gustafsson-Johnson winner is truly the last credible threat to him at this point.

 

[best eva]

Jones-Cormier for sure

 

[Got GOAT]

So your basically saying Gus because hes white (see below). Even though Gus tied with Texiera for Jones lowest PPV buy rate to date.

Plus Rashad vs Rampage also did over a million buys. For a non title fight. I cant think of another non title fight that had more buys.

There will always be exceptions. What aren't exceptions? The Silva-Sonnen rematch and the Silva-Weidman rematch. Two of the biggest draws of all time had two athletes of a different race. Now sure, you could cite something like Lesnar vs. Mir II but Lesnar is Lesnar, and again, more Caucasian people watch and follow MMA and the UFC than other races. The racial demographics prove this. Racial identification absolutely matters more often than not because if fans cannot identify with _either_ fighter then they're more likely not to tune it. Again, it's science.

 

[AJ Garcia]

Jones -Cormier will be bigger because it is a title fight.

I like you

 

[AP_RESURRECTION]

You would think so...right?

The tension building over this (Gus) one for a longer time could surprise us though.

people in sweden are def very interested in it - jones cormier is doing everything right promotionally (even if unintentionally), they are going to get a big buy rate - they are talking smack on espn etc. - that kind of thing makes a difference, in my opinion - not to mention its a ridiculously intriguing fight without the controversy

gus / jones is interesting too but since jones pulled through and won last time, i think its slightly less interesting, gus only has one win over an okay opponent since, so its not like hes been ripping sht up - im still interested but less so - i think jones haters are very interested, thats for sure, since he looked more human than ever before and even lost rounds - if a finish of anthony johnson happens though, then that will be a totally diff situation - hard to say at the moment

 

[jeremyemilio]

Actually, it isn't. Not to mention that you're that Sherdogger that ducked me that one night when I asked for DC shooting in OUT of clinch range, and you failed to comply. I even called you on it and of course all I heard was crickets. In the highlight you posted, boasting how great of a wrestler (in MMA) he is, he shot once from the range I specified and it looked god awful. :icon_lol: You're not to be taken seriously, Jeremy boy.

Yes. Race is a myth. That's why Tolkien has so many races in his books (elves, orcs, ents, hobbits, dwarves, even trolls like yourself)... because he's into myth making. Reading along as you invoke 'science' to discuss a cultural phenomenon with no scientific basis is at once enraging and hilarious.

I started writing a response to you on DC's wrestling style, but it was so clear you didn't know the first thing about wrestling, I abandoned it and moved on with my life. Since it's obviously still keeping you up at night, though, here's goes:

DC has always been an undersized wrestler for his chosen weight class, just like Cain. And so, just like Cain, he's developed a take down game that doesn't get him caught underneath bigger, stronger opponents. Cain likes the inside single; DC likes the outside single (or high crotch).

Askren is an undersized/underpowered guy at a smaller weight class, so he has also developed a sneaky takedown game. Since he's not wrestling behemoth's though, he's not as concerned about getting stuck under them, so he dives deep and then works out the side or back door.

Most guys wrestle according to their body type and, to a lesser extent, the body type of their opponent.

JJ is tall, so he likes to load guys up with underhooks or, because he is often so much taller than his opponents, even with the whizzer.

If you're looking for blast doubles, you'll need to watch compact powerhouses like Hendricks or GSP.

You create the range you need for the type of take down you plan to employ. DC does just fine getting to the high crotch from the clinch or from outside.

All of which was just a huge waste of time, considering that you don't know what you're talking about and you don't care to learn, which is why I didn't bother the first time around.