Bigfoot. Is it possible they exist?

I don't know where you're from, but you're grossly underestimating how large wilderness areas are.
A few examples:
New York City is 305 square miles with a population of roughly 8,500,000 people.

The U.S. Has 154 national forests covering over 294,361 square miles, and the majority of those square miles have NOT had people "tromping through" them.

In just one state (Idaho) and only one of the wilderness areas in that state, there is 3,700 square miles (2.367 million acres). Or more than 10 times the square miles of NYC.

An interesting story illustrating how long things can go undisturbed in the wilderness areas.

http://www.gunsandammo.com/news/132-year-old-winchester-model-1873-found-great-basin-national-park/

Cliffs:
A rifle was found leaning up against a juniper tree in a National Park, the rifle is 132 years old.. It's estimated that the rifle has been leaning undisturbed against the juniper tree for at least a century... In a National Park.

I'm not arguing one way or another about the existence of Bigfoot.. I'm just telling you if an animal who lives in the forest, wants to remain hidden. It would be easy to do.


A living species that is similar to humans would require a lot more space than a rifle leaving against a tree, and leave a lot more evidence. You're grossly underestimating how little space there is in the areas where Bigfoot is spotted in. It's just not feasible that there is a 200+ lb species of ape roaming our woods without anyone having found and caught a specimen. Every other species of ape/monkey are found by us easily. Why would this one be hidden? Sorry, I just don't think it's even reasonable to think there are hidden species of giant ape roaming our woods for centuries without being caught.
 
The only thing that lends credence to it being possible, at least in my mind, is the diaspora of the sightings and how different cultures on different continents have a similar creature in common. Similar to the small folk from fairy tales (pixies, brownies, sydhe, etc) in that there is no evidence to their existence, but not really any proof that they don't. Ghosts, spirits, dragons, giants, something caused them to be handed down in folk lore, and maybe bigfoot is a last vestige of that wonder.
 
The only thing that lends credence to it being possible, at least in my mind, is the diaspora of the sightings and how different cultures on different continents have a similar creature in common. Similar to the small folk from fairy tales (pixies, brownies, sydhe, etc) in that there is no evidence to their existence, but not really any proof that they don't. Ghosts, spirits, dragons, giants, something caused them to be handed down in folk lore, and maybe bigfoot is a last vestige of that wonder.

I'm sure a mixture of imagination and real monsters that created the myths. That doesn't make them real.
 
A living species that is similar to humans would require a lot more space than a rifle leaving against a tree, and leave a lot more evidence.

The 132 year old rifle leaning against a tree in a National Park wasn't to illustrate how a Bigfoot could hide. It was to show how things like, "a single shit pile, body, tooth, toenail, et cetera" can go undetected out there, especially by people who aren't looking for them. Not to mention most people don't know deer scat from rabbit scat, or bear hair from coyote fur...

jgarner said:
You're grossly underestimating how little space there is in the areas where Bigfoot is spotted in. It's just not feasible that there is a 200+ lb species of ape roaming our woods without anyone having found and caught a specimen.

http://m.livescience.com/33846-10-active-bigfoot-sites.html

That's a link to the top ten most active Bigfoot areas in the US.. I don't know how accurate it is, but there's some pictures of how vast and large the areas are. With Google you could research how large the areas are by acreage and square miles.

jgarner said:
Every other species of ape/monkey are found by us easily. Why would this one be hidden? Sorry, I just don't think it's even reasonable to think there are hidden species of giant ape roaming our woods for centuries without being caught.

If Bigfoot exists in the US, there's more of them, then the number of active research scientists, and biologists that know what to look for...
 
You're grossly underestimating how little space there is in the areas where Bigfoot is spotted in.

I don't know how much forest space Bigfoots have in America, but in Australia the amount of space is HUGE!

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The red dots show the habbited places in Australia where people live. The rest is up for grabs.

Places like the blue mountains range in New South Whales (where Yowies are spotted) are GIGANTIC!

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I don't know how much forest space Bigfoots have in America, but in Australia the amount of space is HUGE!

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The red dots show the habbited places in Australia where people live. The rest is up for grabs.

Places like the blue mountains range in New South Whales (where Yowies are spotted) are GIGANTIC!

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Not that long ago, scientists in Australia discovered a massive, forested plateau that was so inaccessible that they may have been the first humans in all of history to step food there. When they did, with the aid of a helicopter, they discovered tons of unknown species.

And most people don't realize North America has two rainforests, the Pacific Northwest region being the largest temperate rainforest on the planet. Richard Preston, an amazing science writer, once wrote a book about how people disovered an entire unknown ecosystem 200-300 feet off the ground, living in the lattices formed by the California redwood forests.

So I still don't believe in bigfoot, but I have to admit there are at least two massive areas of rainforest within North America that most people don't even know exist. However, I do think we have explored enough of North America to be skeptical of bigfoot's existence.
 
Another thing to consider regarding dead Bigfoot bodies is that 99.99% (I'm just guessing this here) of people who go into the woods likely stay on pre made trails. They don't really have any idea what's going on 100 feet in either direction of a trail so you could walk right past something.

i forget where but in an African country a few years ago, some biologist discovered using google earth a massive area that he could find no record of.

He travelled there and found a massive jungle hat was surrounded by water that had been used by local tribes to hide during attacks and genocides in the past within days he had discovered hundreds of new plants and animals. This was maybe 10 years ago.

Something I mentioned earlier that nobody comented on is how in the western USA, there are hundreds of places. Ames after apes or monkeys like ape ridge, ape canyon, ape forest, etc, etc. how did these places get their names?
 
Like most People that have posted in this thread, I've spent a lot of time in the Wilderness. Specifically in the PWN Back Country. And while I've never had a sighting or anything crazy, like Ironwolf, I have definitely heard some strange things that had me legitimately spooked, especially at night. Though, it could have been my imagination running away with me.

I'd like to think there are bigfoots out there. I definitely don't see it as out of the realm of possibility. In fact, I think more likely than not, there are.


To be fair, I don't know what I saw. I do know however that I've hunted since I was ~ 12 and been lucky to hunt in some of the absolute prime spots in North America, and I've spent lots of time both solo hunting and with other people in extremely remote areas like Canada, Alaska, all over the western USA.

the main point of the story I told is that in all those times, I never experienced anything like that befor or after that event and whatever that was dosent fit the behavior of anything I know about. I don't believe it was a bear because what was moving in the trees was bigger than the sort of black bears in the area and an elk isn't going to follow a person for miles.

I've had 9 years now to digest that situation and I've come to 2 possible conclusions.

1: a starving bear that was following me because it was hungry and making so much noise because it was starving so sort of stumbling around (but I don't think this is the case because even starving bears usually scare off and what ever I saw was bigger than the local bears of which I have seen many times)

2: a Bigfoot or something that isn't known about becaus it wasn't a game animal like an elk, deer, sheep, it certainly wasn't a cat, and I really don't believe it was a bear.

I don't know what it was but it was scary as hell and ice hunted in grizzly areas in Alaska and not quite felt so helpless.
 
Man has trekked all over the United States forests hunting and exploring. Our nation is way too populated for that to hide under our noses. Even in the deepest of words, people have been all the time. There's zero reason to hide finding the creature.
 
Man has trekked all over the United States forests hunting and exploring. Our nation is way too populated for that to hide under our noses. Even in the deepest of words, people have been all the time. There's zero reason to hide finding the creature.


I don't know. I've read of sightings of Tasmanian tigers that are supposedly completely extinct and people refuse to say where they saw them for fear of poaching.

I not giving any exact locations away about where I was shadowed by some sort of animal.

And if I ever did see a Bigfoot, I probably wouldn't say where.

I remember listening to that bobo guy from finding Bigfoot on the joe rogan podcast maybe 3-4 years ago. He was talking about one of his first bigfootsightings in Northern California. After it happened hae ran into some bar full of loggers and told them the story, he was super freaked out.

The loggers were like: well yeah duh man, your a dumbass for going out there at night, that's when they come out...
 
I don't know. I've read of sightings of Tasmanian tigers that are supposedly completely extinct and people refuse to say where they saw them for fear of poaching.

Tassie tigers supposedly went extinct in 1936... Here is some pretty convincing footage taken in 1973 of a supposed tiger..

 
Man has trekked all over the United States forests hunting and exploring. Our nation is way too populated for that to hide under our noses. Even in the deepest of words, people have been all the time. There's zero reason to hide finding the creature.

I'm at a loss on how to help you understand how completely wrong you are here^^^^^^^^^^. The majority of our Wilderness Areas, and National Forests have NOT been hiked or camped in.

30 percent of the 2.3 billion acres of land area (745 million acres) in the U.S. is forest today... So even if we've hiked all over 70% of 745 million acres of forest (which we haven't, I'm being very generous here) that still leaves 521 million acres of undiscovered, uncharted, undisturbed dense forests.

It takes 640 acres to make a square mile... There's so much area for Bigfoot and his family to run around in its ridiculous.

I feel like I'm beating a dead horse here, so I won't bring it up again... There's more than enough forests out there in the U.S. for Bigfoot to hide in and remain undetected in for generations to come.
 
Man has trekked all over the United States forests hunting and exploring. Our nation is way too populated for that to hide under our noses. Even in the deepest of words, people have been all the time. There's zero reason to hide finding the creature.


I don't know. I've read of sightings of Tasmanian tigers that are supposedly completely extinct and people refuse to say where they saw them for fear of poaching.

I not giving any exact locations away about where I was shadowed by some sort of animal.

And if I ever did see a Bigfoot, I probably wouldn't say where.

I remember listening to that bobo guy from finding Bigfoot on the joe rogan podcast maybe 3-4 years ago. He was talking about one of his first bigfootsightings in Northern California. After it happened hae ran into some bar full of loggers and told them the story, he was super freaked out.

The loggers were like: well yeah duh man, your a dumbass for going out there at night, that's when they come out...
Tassie tigers supposedly went extinct in 1936... Here is some pretty convincing footage taken in 1973 of a supposed tiger..




Shit I've never seen that video before, that's amazing though!!! Wow!!! I have a friend from Tasmania here in China and she always tells me they exist but people keep it on the dl because there's a group of people out there that would love to have the pelt of one.
 
yup. it's out there. i know what's up there in them woods. i know what i seen.
 
Since as well we have a real bigfoot in the past in the gigantopithecus, it's not so unfeasible.
 
This topic is interesting. Keep going please.
 
I've read some theories about them living in caves. I remember a few years ago, there were forest fires in Northern California and smoke was coming out of holes/caves in southern Oregon quite far from where the fires were.

Also as far as bigfoots being "man size" or 200lbs like some people Mentioned, I think they are much bigger than that. That's one thing about whatever I saw it was bigger than a man or a black bear.

I've heard bobo talking about seeing one that was starved and looking horrible, he said it was able to hid behind a tree and he could see its ribs because it was so starved and it was like 250lbs and 7+ feet tall. I'd guess a healthy adult male is 350lbs. We're talking shaq here. I mean I'm 200lbs haha.
 
Unlikely. ''Squatching'' seems like a fun excuse to go out in the wilderness though. Would give it a go, just for the hell of it.
 
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