Bigfoot. Is it possible they exist?

[DoomPatrol]

I'm at a loss on how to help you understand how completely wrong you are here^^^^^^^^^^. The majority of our Wilderness Areas, and National Forests have NOT been hiked or camped in.

30 percent of the 2.3 billion acres of land area (745 million acres) in the U.S. is forest today... So even if we've hiked all over 70% of 745 million acres of forest (which we haven't, I'm being very generous here) that still leaves 521 million acres of undiscovered, uncharted, undisturbed dense forests.

It takes 640 acres to make a square mile... There's so much area for Bigfoot and his family to run around in its ridiculous.

I feel like I'm beating a dead horse here, so I won't bring it up again... There's more than enough forests out there in the U.S. for Bigfoot to hide in and remain undetected in for generations to come.

No, it's not, and you're retarded. I'm sorry, but if you believe in bigfoot you're a huge dipshit.

 

[VroomyJeeps]

maybe if they live in underground caves, some which stretch for miles and have not been explored

 

[Coffee79]

Proof that hundreds of people replicated this unsuccessfully? That's such a bullshit statement dude. A person in a costume can easily replicate that. There's no way to dispute a video of a man in a suit when there is nothing real to compare it to. What are they supposed to dispute? It clearly looks like a man walking in a suit. There's nothing in the video that a human in a suit couldn't do. Fools like to talk about the bio-mechanics of the "creature", but it looks like a man walking in uneven terrain in a bulky money suit to me. It's also around 6ft, not 8 feet as you claimed. Faking a video isn't hard.

You're ignoring the fact that a con-man bought a camera and on the first day of trying managed to get the clearest and "best" footage of bigfoot ever found. You're basing your evidence on crap footage of a con man, when there is zero physical evidence to support any such creatures living in North America. You just can't hide things that large in the United States. We have hunters and campers in every national forest, all with cameras and guns. You never see any solid footage. You never see any hair, crap, body, teeth because it doesn't exist.


"In 2002, Philip Morris of Morris Costumes (a North Carolina-based company offering costumes, props and stage products) claimed that he made a gorilla costume that was used in the Patterson film. Morris says he discussed his role in the hoax "at costume conventions, lectures, [and] magician conventions"[253] in the 1980s, but first addressed the public at large on August 16, 2002, on Charlotte, North Carolina, radio stationWBT-AM.[254] His story was also printed in The Charlotte Observer.[255] Morris claims he was reluctant to expose the hoax earlier for fear of harming his business: giving away a performer's secrets, he said, would be widely regarded as disreputable.[256]

Morris said that he sold an ape suit to Patterson via mail-order in 1967, thinking it was going to be used in what Patterson described as a "prank."[257] (Ordinarily the gorilla suits he sold were used for a popular side-show routine that depicted an attractive woman changing into a gorilla.) After the initial sale, Morris said that Patterson telephoned him asking how to make the "shoulders more massive"[258] and the "arms longer."[259] Morris says he suggested that whoever wore the suit should wear football shoulder pads and hold sticks in his hands within the suit.

As for the creature's walk, Morris said:

The Bigfoot researchers say that no human can walk that way in the film. Oh, yes they can! When you're wearing long clown's feet, you can't place the ball of your foot down first. You have to put your foot down flat. Otherwise, you'll stumble. Another thing, when you put on the gorilla head, you can only turn your head maybe a quarter of the way. And to look behind you, you've got to turn your head and your shoulders and your hips. Plus, the shoulder pads in the suit are in the way of the jaw. That's why the Bigfoot turns and looks the way he does in the film. He has to twist his entire upper body.[260]

Morris' wife and business partner Amy had vouched for her husband and claims to have helped frame the suit.[260] Morris offered no evidence apart from testimony to support his account, the most conspicuous shortcoming being the absence of a gorilla suit or documentation that would match the detail evidenced in the film and could have been produced in 1967."

Korff, Kal K.; Kocis, Michaela (July–August 2004). "Exposing Roger Patterson's 1967 Bigfoot Film Hoax". Skeptical Inquirer (Committee for Skeptical Inquiry) 28 (4): 35–40. ISSN 0194-6730.

Again, you obviously stopped doing reserch once you found someone that supported your opinonin on the footage. Here's the best Morris could "prove" with his suit -

There are no muscle movements in the suit, and the toes were flat and unable to arch up independtly as they do in the Patterson footage.

Here's the original famous frame -

Look at the tendons - and the overall solid mass of the creature. It doesn't look like a man in a suit.

And here is the best the BBC could do to replicate the "suit" in the footage -

And Hermonious made a big mistake when he lied in 2000 and claimed he was offered $1000 to play the man in the suit. That's because in 1967, $1000 was worth over $7,000 in today's money.

Why the fuck would two cowboys pay $7,000 for a guy to walk in a suit ? They couldn't afford that !

My contention is that Bigfoot like creatures used to exist. And Patterson/Gimlin caught footage of one the last remaining ones. The fact that after all these years the film has yet to be debunked, and the fact that the "suit" in the footage has yet to be duplicated with today's technology is very solid evidence that something awesome was filmed that day.

This gif of the footage is spectacular - notice how you see the actual muscle and tedon movement when the arm's swing - to this day we can't make a suit that has this much bio-mechanics. You're telling me two lone cowboys knew all this about ape behavior and bio-physiology to pull this off ?!

 

[Deleted member 409801]

I'm at a loss on how to help you understand how completely wrong you are here^^^^^^^^^^. The majority of our Wilderness Areas, and National Forests have NOT been hiked or camped in.

30 percent of the 2.3 billion acres of land area (745 million acres) in the U.S. is forest today... So even if we've hiked all over 70% of 745 million acres of forest (which we haven't, I'm being very generous here) that still leaves 521 million acres of undiscovered, uncharted, undisturbed dense forests.

It takes 640 acres to make a square mile... There's so much area for Bigfoot and his family to run around in its ridiculous.

I feel like I'm beating a dead horse here, so I won't bring it up again... There's more than enough forests out there in the U.S. for Bigfoot to hide in and remain undetected in for generations to come.

Have you ever heard the the story of Ishi , the last wild native to contact civilization in in the us? That happened in northern California in 1912 or ao. According to Ishi , he and the his group were constantly afraid and bumped around by people . Having near discoveries and getting their camps found ect......this was with an early 1900s population density as well .


What about the wolf , the Buffalo , the grizzly bear , all animals that live in the same supposedly untracked wilderness , yet have all either been almost driven to extinction or severely marginalized at one time ? One person or small group hiding for a year....or 5 is totally possible , a species hiding for hundreds of years with nary a mistake is not . You could put a 100 MIT grads trained in longterm wilderness survival out in the forest , and on a long enough time line someone is gonna slip up and make themselves known. I don't see an ape that's still at the breaking off tree limbs to mark it's turf stage of development having the brains last generations under the radar .

 

[DoomPatrol]

Again, you obviously stopped doing reserch once you found someone that supported your opinonin on the footage. Here's the best Morris could "prove" with his suit -

There are no muscle movements in the suit, and the toes were flat and unable to arch up independtly as they do in the Patterson footage.

Here's the original famous frame -

Look at the tendons - and the overall solid mass of the creature. It doesn't look like a man in a suit.

And here is the best the BBC could do to replicate the "suit" in the footage -

And Hermonious made a big mistake when he lied in 2000 and claimed he was offered $1000 to play the man in the suit. That's because in 1967, $1000 was worth over $7,000 in today's money.

Why the fuck would two cowboys pay $7,000 for a guy to walk in a suit ? They couldn't afford that !

My contention is that Bigfoot like creatures used to exist. And Patterson/Gimlin caught footage of one the last remaining ones. The fact that after all these years the film has yet to be debunked, and the fact that the "suit" in the footage has yet to be duplicated with today's technology is very solid evidence that something awesome was filmed that day.

This gif of the footage is spectacular - notice how you see the actual muscle and tedon movement when the arm's swing - to this day we can't make a suit that has this much bio-mechanics. You're telling me two lone cowboys knew all this about ape behavior and bio-physiology to pull this off ?!

I'm sorry, but you're a huge tard. If you really think a titty pinch is going to prove that's not a man in a monkey suit, you're insane.

Dude, Patterson is a known fucking con-man who "found" Bigfoot on his first attempt. Think about this. This is either the world's biggest coincidence, or the most likely thing is true... he's a con-man who made idiots like you believe bigfoot is real.

That's a monkey suit. You can point to floppy shit all you want, there are no muscles moving in the suit. There is fabric pinching. There are no tendons. There is a man underneath that.

You know why they invested money in that suit? Because they wanted to con people out of money by selling the tape of the "best" footage ever. That's why they were willing to invest money in the suit.

 

[BearGrounds]

I am probably heading out there later this year! Near Redfish Lake, looking forward to it, hear it's amazing.

Don't forget to bump this thread if you run into the big fella

yup. it's out there. i know what's up there in them woods. i know what i seen.

If you are serious and don't mind sharing your story, I'm sure people would be interested to hear and it would be appreciated.

 

[BearGrounds]

No, it's not, and you're retarded. I'm sorry, but if you believe in bigfoot you're a huge dipshit.

Your disbelief, and your arguments to support that disbelief, are both welcomed and appreciated ITT. However, it's unnecessary to insult people. Please try to present your arguments without being hostile and rude; that kind of behavior sullies up threads. Thanks.

 

[Cuzcatlan]

Have you ever heard the the story of Ishi , the last wild native to contact civilization in in the us? That happened in northern California in 1912 or ao. According to Ishi , he and the his group were constantly afraid and bumped around by people . Having near discoveries and getting their camps found ect......this was with an early 1900s population density as well .


What about the wolf , the Buffalo , the grizzly bear , all animals that live in the same supposedly untracked wilderness , yet have all either been almost driven to extinction or severely marginalized at one time ? One person or small group hiding for a year....or 5 is totally possible , a species hiding for hundreds of years with nary a mistake is not . You could put a 100 MIT grads trained in longterm wilderness survival out in the forest , and on a long enough time line someone is gonna slip up and make themselves known. I don't see an ape that's still at the breaking off tree limbs to mark it's turf stage of development having the brains last generations under the radar .

Sadly Ishi survive only 5 years in "civilization". Most his tribes had been murdered by gold miners.


What about that last nomadic aborigines? They lasted till 1984!.

"The Pintupi Nine were a group of nine Pintupi people who lived a traditional hunter-gatherer desert-dwelling life in Australia's Gibson Desert until 1984, when they made contact with their relatives nearKiwirrkurra.[1] They are sometimes also referred to as "the lost tribe". The group were hailed as "the last nomads" in the international press when they left their nomadic life in October 1984.[2]"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pintupi_Nine

 

[Reveen]

Sadly Ishi survive only 5 years in "civilization". Most his tribes had been murdered by gold miners.


What about that last nomadic aborigines? They lasted till 1984!.

"The Pintupi Nine were a group of nine Pintupi people who lived a traditional hunter-gatherer desert-dwelling life in Australia's Gibson Desert until 1984, when they made contact with their relatives nearKiwirrkurra.[1] They are sometimes also referred to as "the lost tribe". The group were hailed as "the last nomads" in the international press when they left their nomadic life in October 1984.[2]"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pintupi_Nine

I actually remember that happening, was pondering mentioning it, glad someone did.

 

[Crimson Glory]

 

[MARTIAN]

"I think Bigfoot is blurry, that's the problem. It's not the photographer's fault. Bigfoot is blurry, and that's extra scary to me. There's a large, out-of-focus monster roaming the countryside."

-Mitch Hedberg

 

[andnowweknow]

I'm at a loss on how to help you understand how completely wrong you are here^^^^^^^^^^. The majority of our Wilderness Areas, and National Forests have NOT been hiked or camped in.

30 percent of the 2.3 billion acres of land area (745 million acres) in the U.S. is forest today... So even if we've hiked all over 70% of 745 million acres of forest (which we haven't, I'm being very generous here) that still leaves 521 million acres of undiscovered, uncharted, undisturbed dense forests.

It takes 640 acres to make a square mile... There's so much area for Bigfoot and his family to run around in its ridiculous.

I feel like I'm beating a dead horse here, so I won't bring it up again... There's more than enough forests out there in the U.S. for Bigfoot to hide in and remain undetected in for generations to come.

Garner is convinced he's right. He's completely wrong. The vast expanses of uninhabited and rarely if ever explored land in the us alone is incredible.

 

[MARTIAN]

Beat me by seconds

 

[BearGrounds]

"I think Bigfoot is blurry, that's the problem. It's not the photographer's fault. Bigfoot is blurry, and that's extra scary to me. There's a large, out-of-focus monster roaming the countryside."

-Mitch Hedberg

I've taken a video with my smart phone of a black bear at about 30 yards. I could see his snout and eyes and discern features easily with my eyes, yet on the camera playback it looked just like a black mass and nothing more. It's hard to even tell it's a bear until it breaks and runs.

I was disappointed because I had bothered to take out my phone so I would have some shots to show others, but the quality was just so poor that in retrospect it wasn't even worth it. I could have chilled watching him flip rocks looking for grubs a bit longer instead of spooking him.

Point being, although it's a funny joke, it's reasonable for many photos and video to appear "blurry" if the creature is head to toe in dark fur.

 

[DoomPatrol]

Garner is convinced he's right. He's completely wrong. The vast expanses of uninhabited and rarely if ever explored land in the us alone is incredible.

There's been hundreds of years worth of exploration of the United States. Nearly every square foot of it has been set foot on at one point of time or another. There is a reason we don't discover new 100+ lb species anymore, and that's because we've found them all. When is the last time a substantially sized creature was discovered in North America? A long ass time ago.

 

[MusclesMarinara]

Garner is convinced he's right. He's completely wrong. The vast expanses of uninhabited and rarely if ever explored land in the us alone is incredible.

I'm going to agree with this and the post you quoted. I live in the heavily populated area of lower New York. I've hiked the forests of Bear Mountain and Fahnestock many times over. Wander off trail and the woods get real big in a hurry. I can also tell you, many times I have seen clear evidence of bear activity. You know how many bears I have seen? Zero. Which doesn't mean bears don't exist.

Now I'm not saying I believe in bigfoot. But I'd like to believe in the possibility that it could exist.

 

[Deleted member 409801]

Sadly Ishi survive only 5 years in "civilization". Most his tribes had been murdered by gold miners.


What about that last nomadic aborigines? They lasted till 1984!.

"The Pintupi Nine were a group of nine Pintupi people who lived a traditional hunter-gatherer desert-dwelling life in Australia's Gibson Desert until 1984, when they made contact with their relatives nearKiwirrkurra.[1] They are sometimes also referred to as "the lost tribe". The group were hailed as "the last nomads" in the international press when they left their nomadic life in October 1984.[2]"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pintupi_Nine

Yeah bummer about Ishi . I read the book " Ishi , In two worlds" a few years ago , it was written by the main researchers/ ishis advocates wife.

1) Australia is the 3rd least densely populated country in the world.

2) 30 years have passed since then

3) They didn't have to contend with legions of people who were actively trying to prove this group of peoples existence.

I get the desire for there to be blank spaces on the map , I really do. The world could use a little more mystery and romance , and the idea that something undiscovered is out there is fun. If you are pragmatic though and look at the evidence and are honest about the odds than you've gotta admit it looks exceedingly unlikely. Ask yourself honestly if you like the idea of bigfoot , I'd bet you do ( hell , wed all get a kick out of it ) , and that desire to believe is the root of the whole phenomenon imo.

 

[Deleted member 409801]

I'm going to agree with this and the post you quoted. I live in the heavily populated area of lower New York. I've hiked the forests of Bear Mountain and Fahnestock many times over. Wander off trail and the woods get real big in a hurry. I can also tell you, many times I have seen clear evidence of bear activity. You know how many bears I have seen? Zero. Which doesn't mean bears don't exist.

Now I'm not saying I believe in bigfoot. But I'd like to believe in the possibility that it could exist.

You haven't seen one.........but plenty of people have. They've been shot, trapped , hit by cars , photographed and video taped. They are accounted for in the fossil record. Youre a smart dude , what's your gun to your head yes or no answer?

Your last sentence is very indicative of what drives this whole irrational phenomenon.

" But I'D LIKE TO BELIEVE in the possibility they could exist"

 

[Cuzcatlan]

Yeah bummer about Ishi . I read the book " Ishi , In two worlds" a few years ago , it was written by the main researchers/ ishis advocates wife.

1) Australia is the 3rd least densely populated country in the world.

2) 30 years have passed since then

3) They didn't have to contend with legions of people weren't actively trying to prove this group of peoples existence.

I get the desire for there to be blank spaces on the map , I really do. The world could use a little more mystery and romance , and the idea that something undiscovered is out there is fun. If you are pragmatic though and look at the evidence and are honest about the odds than you've gotta admit it looks exceedingly unlikely. Ask yourself honestly if you like the idea of bigfoot , I'd bet you do ( hell , wed all get a kick out of it ) , and that desire to believe is the root of the whole phenomenon imo.

I don't believe in bigfoot. I was just adding something interesting to the conversation.

 

[Deleted member 409801]

I don't believe in bigfoot. I was just adding something interesting to the conversation.

Got ya, I'd never heard of that group , thanks for linking that . I find it interesting that so many otherwise intelligent and rational people are willing to forgo a logical appraisal of the facts to indulge the fantasy. I guess its sort of similar how the world is more interesting and exciting when you believe in Santa Claus. Who wouldn't want that too be true?