Crime Biden was in possession of classified documents while not in office

Cajun said:
Yeah this kind of stuff happens all the time and here on both sides
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Oh I know, on a host of different issues.

I think I would have a cardiac arrest if someone said, "listen, it's wrong when they do it, and it's wrong when we do it...."

instead we just see finger pointing, deflection and a helluva lot of Whataboutism
 
Seano said:
at least Trump has the flimsy argument that he could declassify as president
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Seano said:
So you're saying you really have no problem with the idea that they had classified materials? Just trying to gauge your position here.
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Not sure why it is a flimsy argument. As it was pointed out earlier, they now trying to say "well so much is over classified", and I agree with that. Moreover, things do become declassified after things happen.

That is why I think for both Biden and Trump, it really depends what was actually found. Again, there is nothing wrong with if they found some memo with a trip agenda or some shit or that had been classified regarding Trump's visit with lil' Kim, or a letter from him which he claimed to have as well, in a box that also had photos of Trump with him, which they took from Trump. Or a memo related to dropping the Mother of all bombs, brokering the abraham accords, etc.

As per the DOJ/FBI assessment they quietly released in November right after the election, they said "the documents were more about trophies", which seems to be right inline with what i am suggesting.

It is literally in the FBI/DOJ assessment that they quietly leaked.

Federal agents and prosecutors have come to believe former president Donald Trump’s motive for allegedly taking and keeping classified documents was largely his ego and a desire to hold on to the materials as trophies or mementos, according to people familiar with the matter.

As part of the investigation, federal authorities reviewed the classified documents that were recovered from Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home and private club, looking to see if the types of information contained in them pointed to any kind of pattern or similarities, according to these people, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation.

That review has not found any apparent business advantage to the types of classified information in Trump’s possession, these people said. FBI interviews with witnesses so far, they said, also do not point to any nefarious effort by Trump to leverage, sell or use the government secrets. Instead, the former president seemed motivated by a more basic desire not to give up what he believed was his property, these people said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/11/14/trump-motive-mar-a-lago-documents/

If they had anything even remotely dangerous to national security or anything to blink an eye at, you telling me they wouldn't have pounced on it? That is why they want to bury with by getting rid of the special master to review the documents and now toss it to this special counsel to bury away. Cause they have absolutely no reason to say trump did anything wrong. It was a political hit job over nothing so they could damage his movement for the election, and then also to then use it to gas light people if republicans gained contrlled in the house and knew these looks into Biden would be going on. That is why they have Biden's top paid private lawyers scrubbing his homes and offices.
 
kflo said:
neither did trump.

and the vp has authority to declassify certain records.
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Yes Trump did actually. Joe does to a certain extent thanks to an EO from Obama. But from what I understand Biden had to of been the one to classify them in or to declassify them. So I guess we wait.
 
jimjamjammer said:
Yes Trump did actually. Joe does to a certain extent thanks to an EO from Obama. But from what I understand Biden had to of been the one to classify them in or to declassify them. So I guess we wait.
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Trump did what?
 
jimjamjammer said:
What do you mean neither does Trump? So Trump can't declassify anything, but the VP can?

The President has ultimate authority to declassify doc's.
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The VP can declassify certain docs too.

declassification doesn’t mean you get to keep it. It still goes to NARA. It’s not yours. Trump has no right to keep the records. None.
 
Hopefully they not going to let this be another Benghazi or Russiagate coverup, or Ukraine cover up

Had mentioned Stefanik yesterday saying they were going to look into this as the special counsel IS connected to Russia Gate cover up and colluding with democrats in discrediting the Devin Nunez Report

Glad to see Jordan already on it within 24 hours.



 
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kflo said:
Attorney General:

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763.48.0.pdf

"G. after further investigation indicated that the response to the subpoena was incomplete, that obstructive conduct occurred in connection with the response to the subpoena, and that classified information remained at the premises, DOJ obtained a court-authorized search warrant"

Through further investigation, the FBI uncovered multiple sources of evidence indicating that the response to the May 11 grand jury subpoena was incomplete and that classified documents remained at the Premises, notwithstanding the sworn certification made to the government on June 3. In particular, the government developed evidence that a search limited to the Storage Room would not have uncovered all the classified documents at the Premises. The government also developed evidence that government records were likely concealed and removed from the Storage Room and that efforts were likely taken to obstruct the government’s investigation. See also MJ Docket D.E. 80 at 8 (“As the Government aptly noted at the hearing, these concerns are not hypothetical in this case. One of the statutes for which I found probable cause was 18 U.S.C. § 1519, which prohibits obstructing an investigation.”). This included evidence indicating that boxes formerly in the Storage Room were not returned prior to counsel’s review.
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kflo said:
"It's a crime to take classified documents," Neama Rahmani, former federal prosecutor and president of West Coast Trial Lawyers, told Newsweek. "President Biden may have violated the Presidential Records Act, Espionage Act, and other federal laws."​

However, while the Espionage Act criminalizes the act of gathering, transmitting or losing national defense information, the DOJ only prosecutes "when an aggravating factor is present," Norman Eisen, attorney and senior fellow at the Brookings Institute, told Newsweek.​
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I have two questions reading those posts.

How did they know classified information remained at the Trump location, like what type of research/investigation did they do to arrive at that conclusion prior to the raid to know there was more there?

How is an "aggravating factor" decided on whether or not prosecution is the path for taking/losing/etc confidential information?
 
kflo said:
NARA's role is to make it all public at some point. they have to get it first of course.....
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Lol "at some point". At what point, exactly? Meh, nobody knows, stop asking questions.

The president can declassify whenever for whatever reason, but the automatic declassification review is 25 years, and even then that's just a review, then a separate one at 50 years.

Sad thing is they're making you look like a fool because this is their way of taking Joe out to pasture and haven't given you the memo yet(because it's probably classified). Joe's will 82 next election with brutal dementia, and they're going to call this disqualifying so he's not the nominee to say Trump shouldn't be either, and you're going to feel likeva sucker for defending him now.

Terry Noonan said:
Soooo did Hunter live with daddy?
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No, a lot of Joe's shit is in Hunter's name to conceal getting it through Joe's corruption. They share bank accounts, Joe's houses were in Hunter's name because Hunter gets the money, so rube lefties can say "well I'm not voting for Hunter Biden then" and Joe can keep funneling US tax dollars through corrupt foreign countries to hoover back up through his son, "with 10% for the big guy".
 
cottagecheesefan said:
Hopefully they not going to let this be another Benghazi or Russiagate coverup, or Ukraine cover up

Had mentioned Stefanik yesterday saying they were going to look into this as the special counsel IS connected to Russia Gate cover up and colluding with democrats in discrediting the Devin Nunez Report

Glad to see Jordan already on it within 24 hours.



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Jordan is demanding all documents and communications regarding the appointment of Hur and between the DOJ and the FBI related to the classified materials.

Sorry Jim. you're just a house representative. you can put on a show for your voters by crying all you want and demanding whatever you want but you don't have authority over the DOJ or the FBI. you can ask, scream, beg, or demand whatever they want from them, doesnt mean shit pal. maybe if you behave they will throw you a bone, but they dont answer to swamp monster jim jordan. now sit back down and go investigate hunters cock until you get to the bottom of it, or maybe you can investigate all that sexual assault over at ohio state university.
 
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MMAisGod said:
I have two questions reading those posts.

How did they know classified information remained at the Trump location, like what type of research/investigation did they do to arrive at that conclusion prior to the raid to know there was more there?
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this is the affidavit for the warrant.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/26/doj-reveals-redacted-affidavit-justifying-trump-mar-a-lago-raid.html
https://fm.cnbc.com/applications/cn...iles/2022/08/26/govuscourtsflsd6178541021.pdf
How is an "aggravating factor" decided on whether or not prosecution is the path for taking/losing/etc confidential information?
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i'm pretty certain it would include intent and evidence of malfeasance.
 
Edmond_Dantes said:
Oh I know, on a host of different issues.

I think I would have a cardiac arrest if someone said, "listen, it's wrong when they do it, and it's wrong when we do it...."

instead we just see finger pointing, deflection and a helluva lot of Whataboutism
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Hahaha. Its like finding the white whale of the war room.
 
kflo said:
this is the affidavit for the warrant.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/26/doj-reveals-redacted-affidavit-justifying-trump-mar-a-lago-raid.html
https://fm.cnbc.com/applications/cn...iles/2022/08/26/govuscourtsflsd6178541021.pdf
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If I'm reading this right, it was due to almost 200 total records being removed by Trump, them saying "hey bro you can't take these like this you're not President anymore", Trump like "well I'm Trump", and then they launched the raid. But if that is how it works, then my most obvious question is, how could it be even possible that Biden wasn't told this when he left as VP like 6 years ago or whenever and it seems like back then is when he originally took them?

i'm pretty certain it would include intent and evidence of malfeasance.
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That's what I thought, but that seems like an impossible standard unless you had a super smoking gun right? Like anyone could just say "it was a mistake/I forgot/I didn't even know/etc" and you pretty much have to give them the benefit of the doubt unless you had a "looking at this video of President X handing over docs to Xi and Putin" or something. Seems like it shouldn't be as vague to hammer down on potential threats or corruption.
 
ShadowRun said:
She has such a punchable face, like Matt Gaetz punchable
Jen was descent at her job she is horrible
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oh come on man. she's the greatest white house secretary since jen psaki. have some respect.

that being said, she's fucking terrible and i hope she catches a severe case of dengue fever.
 
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Fake Doctor said:
You know, something I'm rather looking forward to is the Democratic primaries. I'm betting that if people attempt to primary Biden, this event which is being downplayed and shoved under the rug at the moment, is suddenly going to become very serious. It'll show that Biden is a potential national security threat, that he has lost it, that we can't let him be president because of it - but alternate candidate X can save the day. I'm calling it - now this is a "nothingburger" and just misplaced gripes by Republicans and Trump supporters. Come time for someone to challenge Biden it will suddenly become a serious issue and call Biden's fitness to be president into question (along with fifty things which are currently treated as no big deal). Bookmark this post and call me a prophet or a dumbass later, as you see fit.
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they should get rid of dementia joe unless trump wins the republican primary.

actually fuck it. they should still get rid the 90 year old geezer. wouldn't matter who runs at that point anyways.
 
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