Crime Biden was in possession of classified documents while not in office

[cottagecheesefan]

Liking this new based McCarthy. I think he sees where the party is going, and it isn’t back to the typical GOP, he realizes despite the headlines it is going more MAGA. Even called out the senate lol

Anyways, this statement is more about the documents than Biden lying. Does mention the press misrepresenting Biden handing over the documents vs trump not.

 

[Seano]

what's interesting about it? both of them had classified records (and some TS and TS/SCI records) that weren't declassified.

Its interesting because at least Trump has the flimsy argument that he could declassify as president. Joe had no reason to have ever had those documents in his possession.

 

[Edmond_Dantes]

this thread demonstrates perfectly, the mentality of "it's okay if my team does it".

so many have no sense of moral integrity/consistency.

 

[Cajun]

this thread demonstrates perfectly, the mentality of "it's okay if my team does it".

so many have no sense of moral integrity/consistency.

Yeah this kind of stuff happens all the time and here on both sides

 

[cottagecheesefan]

this thread demonstrates perfectly, the mentality of "it's okay if my team does it".

so many have no sense of moral integrity/consistency.

I disagree because first it has to be apples to apples for that kind of comparison. IMO, this isn't. This is WH/government employees packing up Trump's stuff, rightfully so via the presidential records act. Unless they find something he clearly should not have had, a potential security risk, etc, which they have yet to make any sort of case for.

And this whole notion of (not) cooperating is bullshit. Biden's team isn't cooperating with anything, not a subpeona, a warrant, etc, they are simply doing their own search and handing over something if they find it, assuming they are being honest.

Trump's stuff went from the WH to a secure room at a location with secret service, and remained there, and he and his team felt they were doing everything according to the presidential records act, and cooperated including letting the FBI look at said secure area. Biden's documents just turn up after 6 years, no idea he even had them, in unsecure locations.

 

[kflo]

Its interesting because at least Trump has the flimsy argument that he could declassify as president. Joe had no reason to have ever had those documents in his possession.

why wouldn't the VP have access to classified records?

 

[White Whale]

Do you really think that the differences between Biden returning them and trump refusal to return them are just minor nuances

Trump's documents were inside a secure location. The FBI had to break a lock they asked him to use on the safe.

 

[kflo]

I disagree because first it has to be apples to apples for that kind of comparison. IMO, this isn't. This is WH/government employees packing up Trump's stuff, rightfully so via the presidential records act. Unless they find something he clearly should not have had, a potential security risk, etc, which they have yet to make any sort of case for.

And this whole notion of (not) cooperating is bullshit. Biden's team isn't cooperating with anything, not a subpeona, a warrant, etc, they are simply doing their own search and handing over something if they find it, assuming they are being honest.

Trump's stuff went from the WH to a secure room at a location with secret service, and remained there, and he and his team felt they were doing everything according to the presidential records act, and cooperated including letting the FBI look at said secure area. Biden's documents just turn up after 6 years, no idea he even had them, in unsecure locations.

wtf are you talking about?

the presidential records act REQUIRES trump to turn over all records that are not "private". he knowingly refused and obstructed, something we don't yet know occurred with Biden.

trump's stuff was not in a secure location and the secret service is not there to police what comes and goes from the property.

you chose to ignore what i provided to you from the AG.........

 

[Seano]

why wouldn't the VP have access to classified records?

I'm not sure. I know a former presidents home was raided by FBI for having classified docs so I guess I don't see how a former VP has more privilege.

 

[kflo]

Trump's documents were inside a secure location. The FBI had to break a lock they asked him to use on the safe.

They were in a storage room and an office with some documents in a desk drawer.

 

[Seano]

wtf are you talking about?

the presidential records act REQUIRES trump to turn over all records that are not "private". he knowingly refused and obstructed, something we don't yet know occurred with Biden.

trump's stuff was not in a secure location and the secret service is not there to police what comes and goes from the property.

you chose to ignore what i provided to you from the AG.........

So you're saying you really have no problem with the idea that they had classified materials? Just trying to gauge your position here.

 

[kflo]

I'm not sure. I know a former presidents home was raided by FBI for having classified docs so I guess I don't see how a former VP has more privilege.

records were seized from trump's home because he was obstructing efforts for them to be retrieved. the vp doesn't have more privilege. had he been obstructing efforts from nara and the doj he too would have been subpoenaed.

i guess i have to keep posting this from the US Attorney General:
again, from the attorney general.......
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763.48.0.pdf

"G. after further investigation indicated that the response to the subpoena was incomplete, that obstructive conduct occurred in connection with the response to the subpoena, and that classified information remained at the premises, DOJ obtained a court-authorized search warrant"

Through further investigation, the FBI uncovered multiple sources of evidence indicating that the response to the May 11 grand jury subpoena was incomplete and that classified documents remained at the Premises, notwithstanding the sworn certification made to the government on June 3. In particular, the government developed evidence that a search limited to the Storage Room would not have uncovered all the classified documents at the Premises. The government also developed evidence that government records were likely concealed and removed from the Storage Room and that efforts were likely taken to obstruct the government’s investigation. See also MJ Docket D.E. 80 at 8 (“As the Government aptly noted at the hearing, these concerns are not hypothetical in this case. One of the statutes for which I found probable cause was 18 U.S.C. § 1519, which prohibits obstructing an investigation.”). This included evidence indicating that boxes formerly in the Storage Room were not returned prior to counsel’s review.

 

[kflo]

So you're saying you really have no problem with the idea that they had classified materials? Just trying to gauge your position here.

i'm not saying that at all.

 

[Seano]

i'm not saying that at all.

 

[jimjamjammer]

why wouldn't the VP have access to classified records?

He probably does...while he's in office. But since he has no power to declassify anything, which the President does. He has absolutely no reason to have those documents while he is no longer in office.

 

[kflo]

He probably does...while he's in office. But since he has no power to declassify anything, which the President does. He has absolutely no reason to have those documents while he is no longer in office.

neither did trump.

and the vp has authority to declassify certain records.

 

[emefer]

Are you avoiding the question on purpose?

I don’t see the point in your question. Pretty sure the govt says it’s a crime.
Do I think a sitting or former president will be criminally charged for it? No

 

[Seano]

@kflo
Lets forget Trump for a moment.

What is Biden guilty of here?

 

[MichiganMMA1978]

I don’t see the point in your question. Pretty sure the govt says it’s a crime.
Do I think a sitting or former president will be criminally charged for it? No

Do you think they should be charged with a crime?

 

[kflo]

@kflo
Lets forget Trump for a moment.

What is Biden guilty of here?

"It's a crime to take classified documents," Neama Rahmani, former federal prosecutor and president of West Coast Trial Lawyers, told Newsweek. "President Biden may have violated the Presidential Records Act, Espionage Act, and other federal laws."​

However, while the Espionage Act criminalizes the act of gathering, transmitting or losing national defense information, the DOJ only prosecutes "when an aggravating factor is present," Norman Eisen, attorney and senior fellow at the Brookings Institute, told Newsweek.​