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When was the last time a country in the West did something like the Bucha massacre as part of military doctrine and completely unpunished?
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When was the last time a country in the West did something like the Bucha massacre as part of military doctrine and completely unpunished?
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2007 Shinwar shooting - Wikipedia
Haditha massacre - Wikipedia
Mahmudiyah rape and killings - Wikipedia
Mahmudiyah rape and killings - Wikipedia
Dasht-i-Leili massacre - Wikipedia
Nisour Square massacre - Wikipedia
Nangar Khel incident - Wikipedia
Wech Baghtu wedding party airstrike - Wikipedia
Granai airstrike - Wikipedia
Night raid on Narang - Wikipedia
Abu Ghraib torture and prisoner abuse - Wikipedia
Took about 2 minutes to curate that. Lots of executions, rape, and torture of civilians, including plenty of women and children.
All of this was just in the last 20 years, I won't even bother to bring up Vietnam.
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What a bunch of loadcrap list
None of that is remotely similar to what happened in Bucha or what Hamas did.
You are comparing people who shot on civilians by accident when under fire and people who were PUNISHED to a state policy of terror that Russia is unleashing.
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i think the assumption is wrong.
there's no countries whose military doctrine contains mandated civilian massacres.
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You mean officially written in a book? nope.
But in practice Russian terror is the norm, part of their "shock and awe".
Pretty common soviet type thinking all the way to the Red Terror and im sure it goes way back to the times of the Tsars like with the Oprichniki
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https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/04/18/7340483/
Putin decorates Russian brigade involved in atrocities in Bucha
Putin decorates Russian brigade involved in atrocities in Bucha
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Uhhh, can you not read at all or do you just skip past the bad parts on purpose?
They literally gang-raped a child, executed her family in the middle of it because they were ruining the mood, and then executed her.
You : Oh, mistaken identity! They meant to rape a different child!
At U.S. detention centers, they were torturing, raping and murdering prisoners, including children.
You: Its ok! They were just torturing, sodomizing and murdering BAD children and BAD men!
Airstrikes on a wedding killing a hundred civilians.
You: It's okay! They were killed by American angels! They are free now!
They do a night raid and execute dozens of kids between 12-18.
You: Its okay! They're animals anyway!
Clearly you don't actually care about the crimes being committed against civilians, you just care about your team winning. Any excuse whatsoever provided by the government you will clearly take at face value because you just hear what you want to hear. Guess what? They're doing the same thing in Russia.
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These people were tried as criminals by the US army.
On the other hand Putin condecorated Bucha unit for "bravery".
You seem to try to equiparate a State policy of terror with isolated incidents of insubordination.
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Five U.S. Army soldiers of the 502nd Infantry Regiment were charged with rape and murder; Specialist Paul E. Cortez (born December 1982), Specialist James P. Barker (born 1982), Private First Class Jesse V. Spielman (born 1985), Private First Class Bryan L. Howard, and Private First Class Steven Dale Green (May 2, 1985 – February 17, 2014).[2] Green was discharged from the U.S. Army for mental instability before the crimes were known by his command, whereas Cortez, Barker, and Spielman were tried by a military court martial, convicted, and sentenced to decades in prison.[2] Green was tried and convicted in a United States civilian court and sentenced to life in prison.[3] In 2014, he died from complications resulting from a suicide attempt.
Both sides!!!
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LOL once again, you ignore almost all of the information I posted to focus on one thing. The vast majority of the people in those links went unpunished, some actually got the Purple Heart for bravery, and in almost all of the situations there were attempts to either cover up or deflect what happened, kind of like what you're doing.
-On February 16, 2005, four Blackwater guards escorting a U.S. State Department convoy in Iraq fired 70 rounds into a car. The guards stated that they felt threatened when the driver ignored orders to stop as he approached the convoy. The fate of the car's driver was unknown because the convoy did not stop after the shooting. An investigation by the State Department's Diplomatic Security Service concluded that the shooting was not justified and that the Blackwater employees provided false statements to investigators. The statements claimed that one of the Blackwater vehicles had been hit by insurgent gunfire, but the investigation concluded that one of the Blackwater guards had actually fired into his own vehicle by accident. John Frese, the U.S. embassy in Iraq's top security official, declined to punish Blackwater or the security guards because he believed any disciplinary actions would lower the morale of the Blackwater contractors.
-On December 24, 2006, a security guard of the Iraqi vice president, Adel Abdul Mahdi, was shot and killed while on duty outside the Iraqi prime minister's compound. The Iraqi government has accused Andrew J. Moonen, a Blackwater employee at the time, of killing him while drunk. Moonen was subsequently fired by Blackwater for "violating alcohol and firearm policy", and travelled from Iraq to the United States days after the incident.[136] The DOJ investigated and announced in 2010 that they were declining to prosecute Moonen, citing a likely affirmative defense of self-defense and high standards for initiating such a prosecution. The United States State Department and Blackwater USA had attempted to keep his identity secret for security reasons.
-On August 21, 2007, Blackwater Manager Daniel Carroll threatened to kill Jean Richter, a U.S. State Department Investigator, in Iraq.[145] In June 2014, a New York Times investigation reported that it had secured an internal State Department memo stating this. Richter later returned from Iraq to the U.S. and wrote a scathing review of the lax standards to which Blackwater was held accountable, only two weeks before a serious Blackwater incident in which 17 Iraqi civilians were shot and killed by Blackwater employees under questionable circumstances. The death threat incident was confirmed by a second investigator, a Mr. Thomas, who was also present at the meeting. The shooting incident that followed has been described by some as a "watershed" moment, and a factor which contributed to Iraq's later decision to refuse to allow U.S. troops to stay beyond 2011.
-In February 2006, previously unreleased photos and videos were broadcast by SBS, an Australian television network, on its Dateline program. The Bush administration attempted to prevent release of the images in the U.S., arguing that their publication could provoke antagonism. These newly released photographs depicted prisoners crawling on the floor naked, being forced to perform sexual acts, and being covered in feces. Some images also showed prisoners killed by the soldiers, some shot in the head and some with slit throats. BBC World News stated that one of the prisoners, who was reportedly mentally unstable, was considered by prison guards as a "pet" for torture.[77] The UN expressed hope that the pictures would be investigated immediately, but the Pentagon stated that the images "have been previously investigated as part of the Abu Ghraib investigation."[78]
On March 15, 2006, Salon published what was then the most extensive documentation of the abuse.[79] A report accessed by Salon included the following summary of the material: "A review of all the computer media submitted to this office revealed a total of 1,325 images of suspected detainee abuse, 93 video files of suspected detainee abuse, 660 images of adult pornography, 546 images of suspected dead Iraqi detainees, 29 images of soldiers in simulated sexual acts, 20 images of a soldier with a Swastika drawn between his eyes, 37 images of Military Working dogs being used in abuse of detainees and 125 images of questionable acts."
4.5 million deaths from post-9/11 wars, systematic torture and abuse, indiscriminate airstrikes killing civilians based on "fault intel". And here you are apologizing away like some Republican neocon mouthpiece.
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And how many times do you think things like this happened where they weren't caught?
Or are you so utterly retardedly naive that you think this is the only instance in 20 years of war?
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Man you are being dishonest as shit, using isolated incidents that were in general punished or part of combat operations with systematic massacres, looting, raping, tortute of women, children and elderly.
Sure, the US ain't no saint, war is hell, but there are degrees to that shit, trying to claim the US is the same as Russia is like trying to claim IDF is the same as Hamas.
But man, IDF is closer to Hamas than the US is from Russia that's just how big the gap is when it comes to overall disregard of life.
This is nothing new, Russians have weaponized terror since the times of Ivan the Terrible and perfected it with the Red Army, modern Russia just continues the tradition.
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You have some serious reading comprehension issues.
They WERE systemic issues, of which these are an example of. And this doesn't even account for all of the regime changes that lead to the death of civilians, like the U.S. supporting Islamic terrorists in Libya to overthrow Gaddafi and turn Libya into the world's largest open air slave market, or the Syrian civil war.
Admit it, you just like apologizing for your team. You couldn't care less about people getting raped and murdered, although I guess that's pretty much just a lazy Sunday afternoon in Mexico.
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No, you are being a complete POS apologist.
Do you honestly believe that the US is on the same level as ISIS or Russia based on a few isolated incidents?
Now you are deflecting with other shit.
Saying that the US or Israel aren't as bad as Hamas or Russia isn't apologizing, its a fucking fact.
This sounds like when the Japanese leadership tried to convince civilians and soldiers that Americans were just as bad as them and thus they were to expect some rape of Nanking or Bataan death march type results if they surrendered.
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I heard there were only like 1,000 Hamas. I'm pretty sure Israel should be able to handle it.
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Are you this illiterate? They aren't isolated incidents at all.
From Amnesty International:
Twenty years since the US-led coalition invaded Iraq, impunity reigns supreme (amnesty.org)
Between 2003 and 2011, Amnesty International documented US forces’ engagement in rampant violations, including indiscriminate attacks that killed and injured civilians, secret detention, secret detainee transfers, enforced disappearance, torture and other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment. Former detainees have credibly alleged a litany of abuses in detention centres, including sleep deprivation, forced nudity, deprivation of adequate food and water, mock executions and threats of rape.
“Twenty years on, impunity reigns supreme and accountability remains elusive for the human rights violations committed in Iraq. The US has failed to adequately investigate the widespread human rights violations and war crimes committed by US forces and to hold those responsible to account at all levels, including senior US officials and commanders. Victims of gross human rights violations, including detainees who survived torture and other ill-treatment at Abu Ghraib, have overwhelmingly been denied their rights to justice and reparation. The Iraqi victims who attempted to seek remedy for US human rights violations in US courts have faced systematic obstacles.”
Along with the egregious violations that US and allied forces committed against Iraqis, the US’s ill-advised policies, such as the so-called de-Ba’athification process, the disbandment of the security forces and its injection of huge quantities of arms into the country, contributed to a security vacuum that allowed sectarian violence to spiral. Since the invasion, Iraq has been mired in consecutive cycles of violence and a culture of impunity that the US-led coalition, through their policies, helped foster. This devastating legacy of the US-led invasion continues to claim new Iraqi victims to this day."
Actually, you easily argue that the U.S. is worse. They have been responsible for the deaths and displacement of far more people over the last 50 years than Russia and Hamas. They have funded terrorists, illegally invaded several countries, currently still occupy others illegally just like Russia, backed coups and the radical islamists behind them, supported authoritarian dictators. But you'll gloss over all of this because you jerked off to Red Dawn too many times.
