Opinion Beyond the Myth of Rural America

Sorry should have said voting people who create stupid policies, or never fix infrastructure.

The taxes are insane yet these are the worst roads I've ever driven on, despite constant construction.

Gun laws are shit

Gas prices are high, even though hundreds of miles away from the ocean it's cheaper...

Those are kind of in conflict. Need higher taxes to fix infrastructure. If you discourage driving, you get better roads. Etc. Guns have little to do with quality of life. I dunno. I was thinking you had something more specific in mind.
 
You know what would be really crazy? If the time of the stereotypical rural farmer is shorter, in years, than the time of legal slavery. That would foster some crazy arguments, debates, commentary about the foundation of American "culture".

I'd say that's impossible but what's the stereotype?
 
Although “we tend to equate rural with farm,” he writes, small, general farms “disappeared more than half a century ago, at least.” Agriculture has become a capital-intensive, high-tech pursuit, belying the “left behind” story of rural life.

I pass by small rural farm every day. So this much of the article is nonsense.
 
gulping tasteless food?


That has to be one of the least believable statements about rural anything (specifically he rural south) I have ever heard.
Everything taste better deep fried and with the addition of buttermilk and lard.
It was written in 1920, when living rural meant something. Now everybody has access to every spice, seasoning, & ingredient on earth.

The diets of our ancestors fucking sucked.
 
Tampa's not much of a city, though.

I think nothing compares to living in a real city (like NYC or SF), but rural living somewhere with nice weather is probably better than a second-rate city.

I couldn't live in a really big city, no chance. But I think a lot of that is because familiarity breeds comfort. I'm in the suburbs and have been for a long time, and for all the jokes about "boring suburban life", I couldn't imagine living another way. 10-15 minute drive to "the city" (and it's not a big city but a midwestern city of moderate size, ~300k population) which has the highest number of restaurants per capita in the country last I heard. Also a fairly diverse population for a city its size, so the food is anything you can think of. Amazing Indian, Thai, Cajun, Mediterranean, Jamaican etc. Terrific Ethiopian place that I gotta get back to, haven't been there in months. Plenty to do if you want to go into the "city".

I really love to visit big cities. We bounce to Chicago often for the weekend. My daughter loves NYC, been there twice in the past couple years and taking her back in the spring. I always have a blast when we're there, but when it's time to leave I feel like I can just breathe better. Like I don't have people seemingly on top of me all the time.
 
Sorry should have said voting people who create stupid policies, or never fix infrastructure.

The taxes are insane yet these are the worst roads I've ever driven on, despite constant construction.

Gun laws are shit

Gas prices are high, even though hundreds of miles away from the ocean it's cheaper...

Who should they vote in?
 
It was written in 1920, when living rural meant something. Now everybody has access to every spice, seasoning, & ingredient on earth.

The diets of our ancestors fucking sucked.

This has to be the most insanely idiotic post I have read in a long time. Great job bro.
 
I'd say that's impossible but what's the stereotype?
The frontiersman Midwest farmer. I think of the stereotypical rural farmer as different from the Southern farmers surrounding plantation life or Northern farmers attached to the initial colonization phase.

Think about old western trope movies -- there was always farmers living on the outskirts of the town. They were often the target of Native American violence or unscrupulous business people trying to steal their land, etc. Or think about the family from Old Yeller.

So, Midwest farmers on the edge of the frontier. Usually living in the territories or territories that just became states. Where the rule of law didn't extend or wasn't enforced with the same regularity that was found on the East Coast. These were the communities where gun ownership and self-protection were inextricably linked because they couldn't rely on government police power, they were too far away.
 
In another thread I posted 2 videos showing how smaller communities ended up with food deserts because of disinvestment (the ownership of the only grocery in town deciding its not worth it anymore) and the community had to resort to communal ownership of a grocery store, even Chicago is proposing this for under-serviced areas.

When I lived in Virginia that was the first time I ever saw gentrification so boldly practiced. A community of rent-controlled housing with low property value sold off to Target, surely at an inflated price but one Target Corporation would still consider cheap, and the residents just told to get lost. Many of them people with disabilities on fixed incomes (and yes, minorities). Makes me wonder when we hear stories about Targets getting robbed as economically displaced people, some portion will create black markets to make ends meet. I know I've contemplated that at desparate points in my life.

I also have an affinity for watching YouTube videos where people tour dilapidated towns across the US, and some give the economic metrics or a bit of back-story as to what happened:



My wife and oldest Son love Stranger Things, and there was one episode where the community was protesting the building of a mall. I remembered that from the 80's where some small towns were very very against the building of shopping malls as they felt the big businesses would muscle out local shops with their loss-leader practices and bulk buying power. Proponents just saw job creation. Interesting to think the paranoid ones were correct in the long run:



That channel has quite a bit of videos of these defunct monstroseties of commercialism that many towns cant even afford to repurpose. Giant buildings with even bigger parking lots, humongous wastes of space. There are now channels also doing abandoned schools. This is how I stumbled upon what urbanism actually is, and looking into what makes cities and towns economically viable. Things like mixed housing, and limits to euclidean zoning so that neighborhoods can have easier access to commerce rather than having to travel to big box stores, or at the very least having multiple means of efficient travel to and from them. I live in a neighborhood where if you walk around the corner there is the elementary school, then there are apartments right up the street, right behind my house there is a set of duplexes, and then single-family homes. There is some commerce within walking distance, although not really grocery access (there was an Albertson's across the street but they closed that location). Theoretically you could go from apartments, to duplex, to single-family all without leaving this neighborhood. In Florida when I was a kid my Mother made all of those transitions, but we had to move clear across the town twice to do it, because the suburban area with single-family units had no nearby apartments, and no access to commerce close by.

I also thought about homogeneity. What is the real "death of American culture?" IMO its selling our identities for convenience and corporate profit. Why is Denny's "America's Diner?" Why do we have to eat at Denny's or IHOP literally everywhere? Each American town being a carbon copy of each other, I cant think of any more efficient means of killing culture than that. And it sucks for business owners. I used to work for GNC's selling supplements and the Franchise owners were almost always at odds with corporate. This was because most franchises were destination stores where people in those areas wanted certain products that were often 3rd-party products (not made by GNC). These products also have higher profit margins. Both owners I worked for had it out with corporate goons who told them, and I quote "When you go into a Burger King anywhere in the Country you always see the same menu. That's what we want for our customers." All the Franchise owners heard was "you have to make less money to sell our corporate manufactured cheap products that your customers dont want." Both these guys had million-dollar stores that the locals were very happy with (one guy had 2 stores and I worked at both, they were even very different from each other), one of them when he was told this threatened to close his store down that day.

The point of all this rambling is to say that having economically sound towns requires access to things that make sense. Access to upward mobility via housing, access to groceries, access to commercial diversity. And very rural towns need access to these places, because despite Amazon's best efforts, not everything can be delivered. And Amazon controlling delivery commerce for rural areas is just as risky as these other giant corporations who eventually gave up on these places. Too much market fluctuation and they will absolutely pull out. Hell some will pull out even before they experience losses, but rather they feel their profits arent growing fast enough.

I dig the message of Strong Towns and adjacent channels:

 
It was written in 1920, when living rural meant something. Now everybody has access to every spice, seasoning, & ingredient on earth.

The diets of our ancestors fucking sucked.
I think a lot of people missed that it's literally talking about rural America 100 years ago...which is where the modern mythos has it's foundation.
 
BTW, speaking of commercial abandonment, Adam Something did a good video on why European malls and thus, towns, don't die as hard as in the US:



In Vegas there are a few tourist malls that are destinations for people visiting, they're doing fine. The local malls are dying in terms of stores. However because we have a lot of money some of them are being repurposed. SeaQuest is located in an abandoned mall:



That's right across from Rex Center:



And they still have the movie theater. They also have these little scooter rentals (these are my Sons):



Needless to say the kids still love going to the Mall. There's also a John's Incredible Pizza right next door. So the building itself won't ever go to total ruin like the ones on the channel above.

That said Vegas is still stupidly widening roads, expanding outward away from the City center, which is making traffic issues worse. Everyone is also worried about Cali transplants bringing Cali money here. Brightline recently bought the rights for the HS rail development between here and LA and if it happens that will be a good thing. Las Vegas residents could tentatively work in LA and reside here if its efficient enough.

There is a nice little Strong Town not too far from us though:



She could do that video easily because the entire town is walkable, built around the classic "Main Street" format. We go there every year for the Christmas parade, and dinner at that Cafe after.
 
Bonus clip of my Son at the last parade, which features classic and modern vehicles:

 
Grew up in a small town, population 1,009 when I was a kid, now it's 968.
I knew most of the people, everyone waved. I was allowed to have a lawn mowing business at a young age, when older worked on a dairy and hauled hay for other farmers.
We had two small grocery stores, a private pharmacy, and like 15 bars :)
Now we have a smoke shop, Dollar General and Dollar Store, two of the three dairy's are no longer in business, and the one that is sells organic raw milk.
Two bars left, most of the farmers and ranchers do that on the weekend and work a job somewhere else. All the chicken houses are empty.

Industrial farms provide most of the dairy, meat, and food now. It is really sad. Small farmers got pushed out, they couldn't compete or as with chickens and dairy, the businesses bought land and setup their own operations so they could control the whole system.
Internet still stinks in a small town. People still wave.

Bry
 
gulping tasteless food?


That has to be one of the least believable statements about rural anything (specifically he rural south) I have ever heard.
Everything taste better deep fried and with the addition of buttermilk and lard.
You forgot "smoked"

I made a pulled pork grilled cheese sandwich the other day, but used lard I rendered from the last pig I butchered instead of butter. It tasted like a heart attack. A delicious, savory heart attack.
 
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