Better grappler: Khabib or Khamzat?

[chinarice]

Khamzat. He’s beating up better guys

Rob is as good as anyone Khabib beat

I'd argue he's better.

 

[FraudGoat]

Chimaev.

Khabib never fought guys like Usman and Whittaker.

 

[HHJ]

Chimaev.

Khabib never fought guys like Usman and Whittaker.

Probably cos those are middleweight and WW and Khabib is a lw

 

[Shaun K]

Khabib, not even close.
He put everyone in the worst possible situations, kept them there, and mauled them. His last few fights was the best grappling ive seen in any type of combat sport.

 

[Pequeño Corey]

If this is a witty tongue in cheek, I clap to you.

If this is a serious take, I’m embarrassed for you.

What about that post is wrong?

 

[Dana's Moonface]

I see the Muslim basher and chief khabib hater posted his usual bigoted shit

I won't even bother to quote him. He's a low life scumbag that deserves bad things

 

[mkt]

Ragdolling Usman might just be the bigger feat.

Maybe, but Usman was above his weight class, had already lost his WW belt and really hadn't wrestled much in several years before Khamzat fought him (many think it's because of his bad knees).

 

[gentel]

I think Khabib is obvs the right answer, MW is not a very talented division in the grappling department

I mean tbf Khabib's opponents like Conor and Dustin aren't great grapplers but still way better at TDD and grappling than MWs are. MW has practically been a kickboxing division as long as I can remember, with the Dricus RNC on Izzy being a rare exception

 

[HHJ]

The only time Kabob fought someone with somehow good grappling he basically lost according to all experts. Thats not hate but the truth and even the biggest neckbeard nuthugger knows that but would never admit it.

 

[HHJ]

I think Khabib is obvs the right answer, MW is not a very talented division in the grappling department

I mean tbf Khabib's opponents like Conor and Dustin aren't great grapplers but still way better at TDD and grappling than MWs are. MW has practically been a kickboxing division as long as I can remember, with the Dricus RNC on Izzy being a rare exception

I mean it doesnt really matter who is or who isnt. It's just the reasons people use to shit on the guy they think is the "inferior" grappler borders on bitter hatred lol

 

[HHJ]

Oh boy, this will get nasty lmao

@TerraRayzing out here like "I have never done nothing wrong, ever, in my life"

 

[deanambrose]

Khamzat. He’s beating up better guys

Prime Poirier, Prime Gaethje, Prime Conor is better than past prime Rob, prime Burns and unknown status Usman IMO.

 

[TheBulge]

Sambo vs Sambro.

 

[TheBulge]

Prime Poirier, Prime Gaethje, Prime Conor is better than past prime Rob, prime Burns and unknown status Usman IMO.

Not in terms of grappling though. Khamzat man handling Usman is the most impressive feat out of all of those fights. The equivelant would have been Khabib man handling Tibau but he couldn't take that tank down.

 

[Subline]

Khabib's style might be more effective & reliable in winning fights, but Khamzat is significantly more dangerous when fresh.

 

[WoozyFailGuy]

S RDA is a nobody now?

RDA's TDD only hovers about 50% and his takedown accuracy is only 35%, it wasn't hard to take the guy down throughout his career and he isn't the best offensive wrestler. He didn't care because he had teh jitz off his back and later on being a surprisingly competent striker. RDA is an excellent fighter, but he is far from an elite wrestler.

What people use as a knock on Khabibi, they use as a knock on Poatan for example. It's an old hater tactic.
"Oh he never faced an elite wrestler."
Yes, because the division does not have the elite wrestler you've conjured out of thin air at the time. Ask a hater which grappler Poatan was protected against at MW and watch them embarrassingly say Marvin Vettori. Watch them mention Ankalaev, who has a worse TD rate than RDA. That magical NCAA wrestler at 185/205 just doesn't exist currently, just like he didn't exist at 155 back then to put Khabib on his back and do to him what he did to everyone else.

When GSP was mauling every wrestler in his division, people were saying he was "being fed wrestlers who couldn't strike." Many here called GSP a protected champion because of this, claiming the UFC was shielding him from strikers. This was a prevailing notion up until around the Condit fight, since Dan Hardy was 'Nevah Any Good™'. GSP surviving the headkick and coming back to win the fight made even the most ardent haters put some hespect on his name up until the Hendricks fight.

There were people that could counter wrestle Khabib like Abel and Gleison, but Khabib used his big old brain to win the fights in different ways. That's the mark of a great martial artist, winning how he can.

That's why the people complaining about Poatan spectacularly knocking out any man they put in front of him on short notice come off as pathetic, people still bitching about Khabib come off as bitter, and while most of the hardcore BJ Penn fans have been banned from the site or institutionalized; you can still taste their salty tears every so often in a GOAT discussion thread when it inevitably comes around to the king taking his throne.

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[HHJ]

Not in terms of grappling though. Khamzat man handling Usman is the most impressive feat out of all of those fights. The equivelant would have been Khabib man handling Tibau but he couldn't take that tank down.

Even if he did do that to tibau the goal posts would just be moved. Tibaus career has been totally forgettable except for the one match where he got held against the fence for 3 rds by a future hall of famer

 

[TankAbbott4Eva]

Khabib's style might be more effective & reliable in winning fights, but Khamzat is significantly more dangerous when fresh.

That's probably fair enough. Khamzat more explosive early, if he gets some cardio and manages his tank better in future he'll be even harder to beat.

 

[Sean Chowdhury]

Prime Poirier, Prime Gaethje, Prime Conor is better than past prime Rob, prime Burns and unknown status Usman IMO.

Past prime rob? He smoked ikram and looked good against costa even after getting hit with a spinning kick, he even said he's the best version of himself in the lead up to the khamzat fight multiple times lol

 

[TheMMAnalyst]

Khabib never gassed out in one round when he couldn’t overwhelm his opponents, while Khanzhat has done it twice.

That should tell you enough - both are super elite, but Khanzhat relies on overwhelming you early where Khabib is more measured and methodical.