Better grappler: Khabib or Khamzat?

[Intermission]

Oh boy, this will get nasty lmao but now that we've seen Khamzat against top level competition, and with him being able to ragdoll Usman and Whittaker, do you think he has better grappling than Khabib?
Both are some of the best grapplers in UFC history. I feel Khamzat is more dangerous while Khabib can sustain it longer.
Who do you think is the better grappler overall?

Who do I think?? How about the one with the actual wrestling credentials?

 

[HHJ]

Who do I think?? How about the one with the actual wrestling credentials?

It asks who is the better grappler, not who has the best wrestling credentials.

 

[Intermission]

It asks who is the better grappler, not who has the best wrestling credentials.

Khamzat. Period

 

[blaseblase]

Khamzat needs to prove he can wrestle past round one. It's Khabib until he does that.

 

[Dirty Frank]

Khamzat rag dolling Usman was more impressive than anything Khabib ever did. I remember being baffled that so many people were hyping Khabib for setting the UFC record for number of takedowns landed against Abel Trujillio... you mean he took a guy down 21 times in a 15 minute fight and couldn't keep him there??

Khabib's record is rightfully being criticized now that his delusional fan base has waned. The ridiculous Conor hype transferred to Khabib but really, is blanketing a one dimensional-striker with bad cardio some amazing feat? Khabib missed out on many top guys from 2 different eras because he was either sitting out injured or retired early. He obviously had the potential to do bigger things but coming back from a 2 year layoff to fight Darrell Horcher and Michael Johnson when you're already ranked top 5 doesn't exactly scream "best of all time".

Khamzat has a lot to prove still but his 1 win over a proven wrestler > Khabib who was on a "Strikers Only" diet to pad his resume for his entire brief run at the top

boo hoo

 

[TerrorTimmy]

Yes and Gaethje is widely known to have an amazing guard

Demetrius Johnson got Ray Borg in an armbar in mid air. It's amazing how good you can look when your opponent is unskilled.

List everyone who ever passed Gaethje's guard.

Go ahead.

 

[Dirty Frank]

Khamzat is a freight train, while Khabib is a living, walking straitjacket.
Both awesome.

 

[NoSmilez]

It depends. Nobody has better control than Khabib but he cooks his opponents before submitting them. Khamzat forces the submission with his pace.

Khamzat might be a little more well rounded than Khabib. Khamzat is more or less a BJJ guy. His training videos show a different type of grappler vs what we see in the cage. He will go for leglocks, arm bars and plays off his back during training. Khabib just smashes his training partners. It is hilarious to see him smash high school kids. Islam will at least work with them.

 

[AfroBanana]

Korean zombie is one of the best grapplers in history now eh.

My exact thought reading it. KZ, GOAT grappler lmfao.

 

[HHJ]

Khabib just smashes his training partners. It is hilarious to see him smash high school kids. Islam will at least work with them.

lol Khabib and Islam are totally diff personalities and its reflected in their fighting styles too

 

[wrb]

Problem with Khabib is he didn't fight any other high level wrestler. Khamzat did with Usman. But Khabib also wouldn't be scared going to ground with a high level bjj fighter like how Khamzat didn't want to get to the ground with Burns.

Hard to say really who is better.

Ha, this is true. I also heard Khabib was some BJJ prodigy from a BJJ coach before I really followed MMA, most think of him as a straight wrestler. The problem with the comparison is that Khamzat is so much bigger than what Khabib fought at so it's easy to imagine Khamzat overpowering him on the mat. But Khamzat almost lost a fight because he was scared of Burn's BJJ, this is from him not speculation so yes its very hard to predict.

 

[Deleted member 504083]

Khamzat needs to prove he can wrestle past round one.

He has proven that. With a torn ligament in his hand no less.

He had Usman down for the final minute of round 2 until the round ended, then for the final couple minutes in round 3

 

[WoozyFailGuy]

Khamzat has the better shot and more powerful wrestling, but Khabib is the better overall grappler because he has the higher IQ. That's usually how I distinct between two very good grapplers, the guy you think is smarter will usually slightly edge out the other guy.

Khamzat relies on the bullrush shot from across the ring to get to the ankles, while Khabib was fine taking you down with singles, doubles, trips, judo throws, etc. Khamzat is incredibly impressive and i think his gameplan will keep working up until someone like DDP feels that throwing a flying knee against the guy is going to work, and it connects. Everyone that has faced him has been on the defensive the first round trying to survive, the key to beating khamzat is to meet fire with fire I think. Don't allow him to be the hammer, but we will see.

Khabib showed no weaknesses in his grappling game outside of not being able to take Gleison down (Khabib went 0 for 13 in takedown attempts), but that also showed us that another incredibly strong grappler can definitely give Khabib trouble, Gleison just wasn't well rounded enough to put it all together. For now, we know that Khamzat does not have a great gas tank, and will probably slow down in later rounds.

 

[AL-Tappo McSnappo]

Problem with Khabib is he didn't fight any other high level wrestler. Khamzat did with Usman. But Khabib also wouldn't be scared going to ground with a high level bjj fighter like how Khamzat didn't want to get to the ground with Burns.

Hard to say really who is better.

So RDA is a nobody now?

 

[Edward Henry Greb]

It depends. Nobody has better control than Khabib but he cooks his opponents before submitting them. Khamzat forces the submission with his pace.

Khamzat might be a little more well rounded than Khabib. Khamzat is more or less a BJJ guy. His training videos show a different type of grappler vs what we see in the cage. He will go for leglocks, arm bars and plays off his back during training. Khabib just smashes his training partners. It is hilarious to see him smash high school kids. Islam will at least work with them.

You should be stoned to death, for this stupid opinion.

It's literally the exact opposite.

 

[balkanbomber85]

The only time Kabob fought someone with somehow good grappling he basically lost according to all experts. Thats not hate but the truth and even the biggest neckbeard nuthugger knows that but would never admit it.

Kamzat beat Usman and Burns, who are both better than Thibao.

 

[KillerIsBack V2]

It depends. Nobody has better control than Khabib but he cooks his opponents before submitting them. Khamzat forces the submission with his pace.

Khamzat might be a little more well rounded than Khabib. Khamzat is more or less a BJJ guy. His training videos show a different type of grappler vs what we see in the cage. He will go for leglocks, arm bars and plays off his back during training. Khabib just smashes his training partners. It is hilarious to see him smash high school kids. Islam will at least work with them.

If this is a witty tongue in cheek, I clap to you.

If this is a serious take, I’m embarrassed for you.

 

[ChessJitsu]

I would say Khabib because Khabib showed us what he can do off his back (Trujillo fight).

We could also say that Khabib has better grappling cardio.

Khamzat is faster and more explosive for sure though.

 

[Pequeño Corey]

Back when Khabib was active, Khamzat himself said Khabib was the best grappler in the UFC.

What else needs to be said?

Yes, Khamzat is more dynamic, explosive, and reckless — but TECHNIQUE-wise, and SUSTAINED-ENERGY-wise, no one is a better MMA grappler than Khabib.

No one.

Yea this is the answer. Khabib is more about technique and pace. Hazmat just explodes right out the gate and uses his otherworldly strength to force position.

 

[Oscar Madison]