BETA Academy owner explains ending relationship with Lloyd Irvin

[KGB256]

you also don't run schools and have other people's livelihood attached to your financial state.

The lien is on Lloyd personally. I would expect his businesses are incorporated.

 

[Pizdek]

We are just like a stars baby!

 

[devnull]

Dev, to believe the statement that you just made, people have to ignore the facts surrounding LI. Starting with his involvement with a gang rape. Then simply taking a rational look at his marketing scam. Then the atmosphere that does permeate his school.

The rape involvement: he was not cleared, and found innocent, or even not guilty; he got off on a technicality. How do you even get one "friend" who thinks it's okay to rape someone, let alone an entire crew. He was involved with an entire crew. Many of whom are in prison for this act.

His business: His business follows every tenet of a MLM scam to a T. No one's making any of that up.

His school environment: LI's responses have been nothing but re-directions, counter accusations, and avoidance of accepting any responsibility for his actions. Then we find out that two guys from his medal chaser squad brutally raped a girl. Considering everything else, it is not irrational to question the environment.

Yet, despite all of that, and the documentation that is easily obtainable, you tell rational thinking people that they're wrong; all while failing to provide any sort of rational retort.

It is quite sick that anyone could support a guy that was involved in a rape, is running a scam, and does play the role of bully when it suits him.

There is simple solution to your problems as I have said before, come down and talk to Master Lloyd yourself if you want to know the details of his 20 year old case, otherwise please just keep up with the speculation.

 

[ElKarlo]

We are just like a stars baby!

Nothing that she wrote had any thought behind it. Guess she's just an empty shell for LI and his image

 

[ElKarlo]

There is simple solution to your problems as I have said before, come down and talk to Master Lloyd yourself if you want to know the details of his 20 year old case, otherwise please just keep up with the speculation.

Ah so he can be threatened as well? Cool beans

 

[GiBurns]

There is simple solution to your problems as I have said before, come down and talk to Master Lloyd yourself if you want to know the details of his 20 year old case, otherwise please just keep up with the speculation.

I'm sure you can put in a good word for me.

 

[Jhf884]

So you honestly thought he was an upstanding citizen 2 months ago? I didn't. I've thought Irvin was a scumbag for quite some time.

We went over this back in January. Even before the 1989 thing came out, people were already trying to lay the NYE case on Irvin. When I brought it up then, I was told he doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt.

You're free to assume the worst about the dude, but trying to pretend that's a reasonable position is more hypocrisy than I'm willing to swallow.



There's plenty to suggest that he's self-serving, and that he's willing to exploit people in ethically questionable ways for his own gain. You'll get no argument from me on that.

But I can't take you seriously when you keep trying to claim that Lloyd and the people around him consider rape as acceptable behavior. It's nonsense. There's no business practice he has engaged in that lends any credibility to that argument. Employing questionable business practices doesn't mean you're okay with rape.



The assumption is it's a cover up and redirect. If any other gym had a student get raped by a fellow student, we'd view them hosting a free rape prevention seminar in response as a positive. But in this situation, it's a crass PR move.

And the reason I've been stuck on the subject of the seminar is that all of these replies I've made originated with someone referring to it as Lloyd exploiting the NYE case for a "cash grab".



I'm not defending him every step of the way. I'm speaking up on points where people are going what I consider over the line. But you guys hate that. You'd prefer I be a fan of TLI, or that I be a member of their team, or even Lloyd himself. You want me to be 100% for him (like devnull) or 100% against him (like the groupthink here). Sorry, but I'm not going to play that little game.

I think he is a scumbag. I think he probably raped the girl in 1989 and got away with it by way of perjury. I think his marketing is awful. I think his Mastermind and other non-martial arts ventures are nothing more than MLM. I think his "baller" video is something I'd expect out of a high school kid to rep wealth when he doesn't actually have shit. I think the tax lien is legit, and it represents a serious issue even to a millionaire (because unless he's full retard about his money, most of his wealth won't be liquid). I think he did the Kumite to promote Keenan and TLI in the guise of showcasing some top brown belts. I thought his GracieMag statement was idiotic, and only served to make things worse.

But none of that makes any bit of difference. Why? Because I dared say that maybe, just maybe, Lloyd Irvin chose to hold that seminar because he felt bad for the NYE victim and wanted to do something to help, which also happened to be a nice PR move. Holy shit. Obviously that means I'm his fucking fanboy and think he can do no wrong.

Well, I for one didn't think he was a scumbag until this stuff started coming out--the marketing never really affected me one way or the other so I didn't look into it, but I was considering joining an affiliate.

Now, no way would I EVER train w/ him or any affiliate.

 

[seatea]

What do you want to know that i have not already answered already?

You have claimed the reporters on the original case were biased. I want you to provide evidence to back up this claim.

You also accused Ryan Hall of treating his students abominably ('like dogs' was I think the term you used). I would also like something to back up this claim.

Finally, in the same post you said you had never seen LI treat his students the way you so Hall does. So, do you train with Irvin?

 

[anaconda]

In all possibility, it could be that his wealth is tied up in non-liquid assets. If he has a cash flow problem, he could still find himself having trouble paying bills even if he had considerable wealth.

My take on it is that his claim of being a millionaire is clearly played up for show. He very well may have a net worth of $1M, but that doesn't mean he's got $250k just lying around to pay bills with. Just sayin, that's a lot of $20s.

yeah, for sure. That's kind of the point. Its all based on illusion.

The problem with owing money to the IRS is that it costs too much to not pay it off:

"The unpaid balance is subject to interest that will compound daily and to a monthly late payment penalty."

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[anaconda]

When taxpayers fail to pay income taxes, the Internal Revenue Service uses the legal system to secure the debt. One common tool is the establishment of a tax lien. This is a legal document that gives the IRS a claim to a taxpayer's property. A lien requires the taxpayer to pay the overdue tax plus penalties to regain full rights to the property. Until the taxes and penalties are paid, the taxpayer is not allowed to sell the property. Penalties take three basic forms: general interest, late payment penalties and filing fee charges.


Late Payment Penalty
When federal income taxes are not paid on time, the Internal Revenue Service charges taxpayers a penalty. The penalty increases each month. The penalty is equal to one-half percent of the balance. For example, the penalty for a tax bill of $1,000 would be $5. The penalty increases to one percent 10 days after the IRS issues a notice of intent to levy. The penalty is added to the balance. This means the penalty would increase from one month to the next. The penalty continues to be assessed until the tax is paid in full or the total penalty amount reaches 25 percent of the original tax amount due. According to the IRS website, it can abate penalties for late payment if you can provide them with a reasonable cause. The IRS prefers to determine whether this is the case after the tax is paid in full.

Filing Fees
When the IRS establishes a tax lien, it must go through a legal process. The process requires the IRS to pay fees for court services, including a fee for filing the lien. When the IRS releases a lien, it must pay additional fees. The fees are charged by the courts of jurisdiction. The fees often vary based on the state in which the taxpayer's property is located. The general fee for recording a lien on property ranges from about $20 to as much as $100. IRS policy is to charge taxpayers for these fees. The fees are added to the amount that taxpayers must remit to remove the lien.

Interest
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The interest rates are high, the penalties are high, and it compounds VERY quickly. People that can pay them off do. They find ways to do it asap. Anyone with financial sense would do so ASAP.

 

[BruceLeeMMA]

What's it tied up in? I'd cash out my stocks or other holdings to pay of a $280k lien as it would ruin my credit and make running a business that much more expensive to run

Just a guess but it could be tied up in real estate. At the very least you have to assume his house and the fighter house he owns would be about 600K.

He was in the real estate business before and if he bought alot before the bubble then he might not want to sell his houses at such high loses and is hoping to recoup it goes back up so he can recoup his investment.

 

[seatea]

There is simple solution to your problems as I have said before, come down and talk to Master Lloyd yourself if you want to know the details of his 20 year old case, otherwise please just keep up with the speculation.

It took LI how long to come up with a statement? We are supposed to believe that this high-flying businessman would just drop everything to talk to some random person about a subject he has been largely silent on? And most importantly; are we supposed to believe that he would tell us the truth?

EDIT: If Lloyd wanted to be open about what happened in 1989 he could go on any number of BJJ podcasts to point his side of the story forward.

 

[lechien]

Nothing that she wrote had any thought behind it. Guess she's just an empty shell for LI and his image

Siraja comments were pretty bad as well.

 

[anaconda]

What do you want to know that i have not already answered already?

Have you ever been paid by Lloyd Irvin?

Do you agree that multiple people were guilty of rape due to the events in 1989?

Do you agree that Lloyd Irvin was there?

 

[devnull]

It took LI how long to come up with a statement? We are supposed to believe that this high-flying businessman would just drop everything to talk to some random person about a subject he has been largely silent on? And most importantly; are we supposed to believe that he would tell us the truth?

LOL so the same question Murdoch posed to me is answered no matter what he says you would not believe anyway.... Also he was silent because of legal advice and such which people keep forgetting.

 

[anaconda]

Have you ever been paid by Lloyd Irvin?

Do you agree that multiple people were guilty of rape due to the events in 1989?

Do you agree that Lloyd Irvin was there?

LOL so the same question Murdoch posed to me is answered no matter what he says you would not believe anyway.... Also he was silent because of legal advice and such which people keep forgetting.

Please see above and answer those questions if you could be so kind.

 

[robotsonic]

That must be some slow ass CPA Lloyd's hired if he hasn't sorted his taxes in 2 years, which is when the lien dates from. LOL.

 

[seatea]

LOL so the same question Murdoch posed to me is answered no matter what he says you would not believe anyway.... Also he was silent because of legal advice and such which people keep forgetting.

I see you avoided my questions again.

Can you provide evidence that the journalists whose articles are we are getting this information from were biased against Lloyd Irvin?

Can you provide evidence for your claims about Ryan Hall's treatment of his students?

 

[devnull]

You have claimed the reporters on the original case were biased. I want you to proved evidence to back up this claim.

You also accused Ryan Hall of treating his students abominably ('like dogs' was I think the term you used). I would also like something to back up this claim.

Finally, in the same post you said you had never seen LI treat his students the way you so Hall does. So, do you train with Irvin?

Reporter Bias: It's an article they have not provided source /court case of course its biased there is no FRAME OF REFERENCE that you can look and verify, it doesn't take rocket science to jump to that conclusion.

From my observation of coaching standpoint I have personally seen Ryan curse and swear at his competitors and afterwards telling them , "they suck, you fucking should have done this etc.." I have never seen Lloyd do this at tournaments. Now this was a while ago namely at the NYC IBJJF, and us grappling, he may have changed since then but I have seen this / heard this behavior ( this was one he was 50/50 and before his BB from Felipa Costa before he started his jumping trail of ships yet again). I believe I already answered this question when I said I have personally witnessed this.

As you know or I have told you I work a lot of the IBJJF events and tournaments so I have not witnessed Llloyd act in this way towards his competitors while coaching.

 

[AcesUp22]

I believe the deepest circles of hell are reserved for barrators, mutineers and Internet marketing hucksters.