BETA Academy owner explains ending relationship with Lloyd Irvin

[devnull]

Please see above and answer those questions if you could be so kind.

I have never been paid by Lloyd Irvin.

The next two questions about were if they guilty and LLoyd was there are speculative answers based on records you don't have. Some were found guilty by the Jury and Lloyd was not. I have answered these questions before in the other threads that you have responded too so why are you asking me to respond yet again and again..

 

[seatea]

Reporter Bias: It's an article they have not provided source /court case of course its biased there is no FRAME OF REFERENCE that you can look and verify, it doesn't take rocket science to jump to that conclusion.

You're not very good at this.

From my observation of coaching standpoint I have personally seen Ryan curse and swear at his competitors and afterwards telling them , "they suck, you fucking should have done this etc.." I have never seen Lloyd do this at tournaments. Now this was a while ago namely at the NYC IBJJF, and us grappling, he may have changed since then but I have seen this / heard this behavior ( this was one he was 50/50 and before his BB from Felipa Costa before he started his jumping trail of ships yet again). I believe I already answered this question when I said I have personally witnessed this.

As you know or I have told you I work a lot of the IBJJF events and tournaments so I have not witnessed Llloyd act in this way towards his competitors while coaching.

I'm expected to take you at your word? Even if I do the events you describe fall far short of treating his students 'like' dogs'.

 

[KBEvolve]

Reporter Bias: It's an article they have not provided source /court case of course its biased there is no FRAME OF REFERENCE that you can look and verify, it doesn't take rocket science to jump to that conclusion.

From my observation of coaching standpoint I have personally seen Ryan curse and swear at his competitors and afterwards telling them , "they suck, you fucking should have done this etc.." I have never seen Lloyd do this at tournaments. Now this was a while ago namely at the NYC IBJJF, and us grappling, he may have changed since then but I have seen this / heard this behavior ( this was one he was 50/50 and before his BB from Felipa Costa before he started his jumping trail of ships yet again). I believe I already answered this question when I said I have personally witnessed this.

As you know or I have told you I work a lot of the IBJJF events and tournaments so I have not witnessed Llloyd act in this way towards his competitors while coaching.

I will co-sign this. Seeing Ryan coaching at a tournament will change your opinion of him. I remember way back when I was a white belt at a Grapplers Quest. It shocked me when I saw him raging at Jen from the sidelines as she lost a match.

 

[devnull]

You're not very good at this.

I'm expected to take you at your word? Even if I do the events you describe fall far short of treating his students 'like' dogs'.

Right below KBevovle has seen the same.. Everyone is human and not perfect we all have our fallacies.

http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/79907449-post443.html

 

[Cali Grappler]

Assuming everything that Lloyd accuses Nak of doing by leaving the Mastermind group and making those public statements (a cash grab and attempt to take over his empire while he is vulnerable), is so ironic that I can't stop laughing.

The student has become the master.

 

[devnull]

Assuming everything that Lloyd accuses Nak of doing by leaving the Mastermind group and making those public statements (a cash grab and attempt to take over his empire while he is vulnerable), is so ironic that I can't stop laughing.

The student has become the master.

No the student has become dishonorable.

 

[devnull]

You're not very good at this.

I'm expected to take you at your word? Even if I do the events you describe fall far short of treating his students 'like' dogs'.

Of course you would say I am not good at this when the news article are your only source for your arguments. The second part has been backed up so far or we are both liars.

 

[anaconda]

I have never been paid by Lloyd Irvin.

The next two questions about were if they guilty and LLoyd was there are speculative answers based on records you don't have. Some were found guilty by the Jury and Lloyd was not. I have answered these questions before in the other threads that you have responded too so why are you asking me to respond yet again and again..

So you agree that multiple people were found guilty, and that Lloyd was there.

So at best, he was present at a gang rape and did nothing to stop it or prevent it or help the victim at the time or later.

BEST case scenario. That is your master.

 

[GiBurns]

I will co-sign this. Seeing Ryan coaching at a tournament will change your opinion of him. I remember way back when I was a white belt at a Grapplers Quest. It shocked me when I saw him raging at Jen from the sidelines as she lost a match.

Aren't you a member of a Team Lloyd Irvin affiliate? Simple yes or no.

 

[devnull]

So you agree that multiple people were found guilty, and that Lloyd was there.

So at best, he was present at a gang rape and did nothing to stop it or prevent it or help the victim at the time or later.

BEST case scenario. That is your master.

You are putting words you believe into my mouth. I don't believe he was in a situation that he felt was a gang rape / needed to stop. This is all speculation on your part, negative speculation.

 

[ElKarlo]

Just a guess but it could be tied up in real estate. At the very least you have to assume his house and the fighter house he owns would be about 600K.

He was in the real estate business before and if he bought alot before the bubble then he might not want to sell his houses at such high loses and is hoping to recoup it goes back up so he can recoup his investment.

Good point. Though who knows how much of the principle he's paid off. So his net worth maybe conjecture at this point

 

[Eric O]

I have never been paid by Lloyd Irvin.

You are definitely a medal chaser living in his shed though.

 

[anaconda]

You are putting words you believe into my mouth. I don't believe he was in a situation that he felt was a gang rape / needed to stop. This is all speculation on your part, negative speculation.

So you take his not guilty verdict by the court, but think that the multiple guilty verdicts are...what? Fake? BIASED?

That is proven in the case records. People were found GUILTY for the events of that night. So either multiple juries got it wrong, or a gang rape happened that night.

 

[ElKarlo]

Siraja comments were pretty bad as well.

It shows with Marcos that all his supporters are pretty dumb

 

[devnull]

You are definitely a medal chaser living in his shed though.

It is my understanding that Medal Chasers living in the house receive "allowance" for living expenses and that would be paid by Master Lloyd, so the answer again no.

 

[ElKarlo]

That must be some slow ass CPA Lloyd's hired if he hasn't sorted his taxes in 2 years, which is when the lien dates from. LOL.

I wonder if those totals are current?

 

[devnull]

So you take his not guilty verdict by the court, but think that the multiple guilty verdicts are...what? Fake? BIASED?

That is proven in the case records. People were found GUILTY for the events of that night. So either multiple juries got it wrong, or a gang rape happened that night.

Just because a Jury found them guilty doesn't mean shit. How many people are innocent or convicted by juries on racism or wrong shit in prison. Remember that movie Hurricane about Rubin Carter?? Just because a Jury convicts you of murder does not mean you committed murder.

WITH THAT SAID, I am not saying they were all not guilty or guilty we don't know the jury just found it to be that way.

 

[ElKarlo]

No the student has become dishonorable.

How so? What has he done that LI wouldn't do?

 

[Cali Grappler]

No the student has become dishonorable.

Dishonorable? Probably. Trying to win at all cost? Definitely.

 

[Jhf884]

It shows with Marcos that all his supporters are pretty dumb

Yeah, the whole point of MLM's cheesy cultish approach is to weed out the strong-minded & suspicious. These folks aren't the smartest cookies typically, and the ones that are smart, have checked their reason at the door for the duration of their stay at camp LI.