BETA Academy owner explains ending relationship with Lloyd Irvin

[deadlizard]

I feel you. Nak needs to change his actions as well as his words. I have a feeling he will though. Time will tell I guess.

Let's not hold our breath on this one.

 

[Vitamin C]

that facebook wall is horrifying... these people are supposed to be adults? professionals even?

I'm speechless

It always astounds me how aggressive people get on Facebook, despite having their real identity attached to their words.

While for the most part, I feel like this forum is pretty well behaved.

It doesn't fit with how you would think posting on the Internet works.

 

[OldGuyBjjATL]

So you honestly thought he was an upstanding citizen 2 months ago? I didn't. I've thought Irvin was a scumbag for quite some time.

We went over this back in January. Even before the 1989 thing came out, people were already trying to lay the NYE case on Irvin. When I brought it up then, I was told he doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt.

You're free to assume the worst about the dude, but trying to pretend that's a reasonable position is more hypocrisy than I'm willing to swallow.

There's plenty to suggest that he's self-serving, and that he's willing to exploit people in ethically questionable ways for his own gain. You'll get no argument from me on that.

But I can't take you seriously when you keep trying to claim that Lloyd and the people around him consider rape as acceptable behavior. It's nonsense. There's no business practice he has engaged in that lends any credibility to that argument. Employing questionable business practices doesn't mean you're okay with rape.



The assumption is it's a cover up and redirect. If any other gym had a student get raped by a fellow student, we'd view them hosting a free rape prevention seminar in response as a positive. But in this situation, it's a crass PR move.

And the reason I've been stuck on the subject of the seminar is that all of these replies I've made originated with someone referring to it as Lloyd exploiting the NYE case for a "cash grab".



I'm not defending him every step of the way. I'm speaking up on points where people are going what I consider over the line. But you guys hate that. You'd prefer I be a fan of TLI, or that I be a member of their team, or even Lloyd himself. You want me to be 100% for him (like devnull) or 100% against him (like the groupthink here). Sorry, but I'm not going to play that little game.

I think he is a scumbag. I think he probably raped the girl in 1989 and got away with it by way of perjury. I think his marketing is awful. I think his Mastermind and other non-martial arts ventures are nothing more than MLM. I think his "baller" video is something I'd expect out of a high school kid to rep wealth when he doesn't actually have shit. I think the tax lien is legit, and it represents a serious issue even to a millionaire (because unless he's full retard about his money, most of his wealth won't be liquid). I think he did the Kumite to promote Keenan and TLI in the guise of showcasing some top brown belts. I thought his GracieMag statement was idiotic, and only served to make things worse.

But none of that makes any bit of difference. Why? Because I dared say that maybe, just maybe, Lloyd Irvin chose to hold that seminar because he felt bad for the NYE victim and wanted to do something to help, which also happened to be a nice PR move. Holy shit. Obviously that means I'm his fucking fanboy and think he can do no wrong.

I'm thinking that we're saying the same thing, with different words.
Much can get lost in the written word.

 

[anaconda]

We are not brainwashed we just have a strong belief in Master Lloyd and believe he has done nothing wrong. I have been saying thing all along. You people are reading news reporters and not the court documents, regardless no matter what most of you are 100 percent gun ho to vilify him and I think you need to take a step back and look at yourselves because it's wrong. I have said before he is a father, a husband, he has a son. He does not want his son's name to be tarnished when he grows up he is protecting his family and his business and his empire, and everyone who trains under him.

I have no ill will against you are angrily and wrongfully accusing him and making stuff up that is your prerogative but it is also mine to tell you that you are wrong, dead wrong, and maybe you should look in your hearts to maybe forgive, if that's what you need to do but not forget, and move on. If you don't want to deal with Master Lloyd you don't have to but this smear campaign and Lloyd Irvin rape web site is crazy. Put yourself in his shoes imagine you were involved and your were innocent and you have all these crazy people online saying otherwise what would you do, you might consider your actions, but you probably wont.

1) Have you ever been paid by your MASTER?

2) Do you believe anyone on that night in 1989 was guilty of rape? Because more than one person was found guilty BY THE COURT. Do you deny that? You seem to love court records. So is that part true, or is that bias?

3) Do you believe that Lloyd was there that night, with some of the people that got convicted?

If you don't believe #2 and 3, then you are too far gone to even entertain.

 

[KGB256]

Hell if he has so much money why doesn't he just pay it right now? He is getting a ton of bad press about it.

In all possibility, it could be that his wealth is tied up in non-liquid assets. If he has a cash flow problem, he could still find himself having trouble paying bills even if he had considerable wealth.

My take on it is that his claim of being a millionaire is clearly played up for show. He very well may have a net worth of $1M, but that doesn't mean he's got $250k just lying around to pay bills with. Just sayin, that's a lot of $20s.

 

[ElKarlo]

Ugh, so Marcos pressures his students into making positive reviews as they have him standing over their shoulder while they write the reviews.

That would normally be a stretch. But in this case i could see him looming over

 

[the heed]

My take on it is that his claim of being a millionaire is clearly played up for show. He very well may have a net worth of $1M, but that doesn't mean he's got $250k just lying around to pay bills with. Just sayin, that's a lot of $20s.

If he doesn't have money to pay off his debt maybe he shouldn't be spending money on expensive cars and expensive Scarface memorabilias.

 

[ElKarlo]

Where have we heard this logic re: the 1989 case before?

Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmmm

Yeah. And any which way, she's as looney as Lloyd.

 

[seatea]

It always astounds me how aggressive people get on Facebook, despite having their real identity attached to their words.

While for the most part, I feel like this forum is pretty well behaved.

It doesn't fit with how you would think posting on the Internet works.

Because there are no moderators on Facebook. Banning tends to weed out a proportion of the idiots and the emotionally incontinent here on Sherdog.

 

[ElKarlo]

Let's not hold our breath on this one.

But seeing how Nak seems repentant let's give him a chance. Heck if LI had owned up to this mess i would have forgiven him

 

[OldGuyBjjATL]

Yeah. And any which way, she's as looney as Lloyd.

Oh she's damn sure ghetto looney.

If you have to tell people you're a "star" and that you're "rich", then there is a good chance you are not. If you are, who cares? And if you are not, who cares?

I've noticed this about people who "come into" money one way or another... We have a lot of them in my neighborhood. They get to the point where they can buy a 5000 sq ft house, and have started earning a good deal of money; most of them are absolutely rotten people. It is almost as if they believe that affluent people are supposed to be crass, and ostentatious. They're also the same people who's houses I see owned by the bank in a couple years.

Point is, you can lose it as fast, or faster than you gain it. Especially with that pathetic player, or baller idiot mentality.

She shows she's nothing more than an ignorant, classless, totally unsophisticated ghetto queen living on someone else's ill gotten gains.

 

[ElKarlo]

In all possibility, it could be that his wealth is tied up in non-liquid assets. If he has a cash flow problem, he could still find himself having trouble paying bills even if he had considerable wealth.

My take on it is that his claim of being a millionaire is clearly played up for show. He very well may have a net worth of $1M, but that doesn't mean he's got $250k just lying around to pay bills with. Just sayin, that's a lot of $20s.

What's it tied up in? I'd cash out my stocks or other holdings to pay of a $280k lien as it would ruin my credit and make running a business that much more expensive to run

 

[KGB256]

If he doesn't have money to pay off his debt maybe he shouldn't be spending money on expensive cars and expensive Scarface memorabilias.

Agreed, but I'm not about to criticize someone for living beyond their means when I currently have a balance on my credit card.

 

[Alonbenav]

Oh she's damn sure ghetto looney.

If you have to tell people you're a "star" and that you're "rich", then there is a good chance you are not. If you are, who cares? And if you are not, who cares?

I've noticed this about people who "come into" money one way or another... We have a lot of them in my neighborhood. They get to the point where they can buy a 5000 sq ft house, and have started earning a good deal of money; most of them are absolutely rotten people. It is almost as if they believe that affluent people are supposed to be crass, and ostentatious. They're also the same people who's houses I see owned by the bank in a couple years.

Point is, you can lose it as fast, or faster than you gain it. Especially with that pathetic player, or baller idiot mentality.

She shows she's nothing more than an ignorant, classless, totally unsophisticated ghetto queen living on someone else's ill gotten gains.

Pardon me for saying it, but I can't help noticing the slightly coded, thinly veiled racism going on in this post. She's 'ghetto looney'? What does that mean exactly?

Also, Ghetto queen? Really?!

 

[the heed]

Agreed, but I'm not about to criticize someone for living beyond their means when I currently have a balance on my credit card.

you also don't run schools and have other people's livelihood attached to your financial state.

 

[the heed]

Also, Ghetto queen? Really?!

Seems like Ghetto queen is commonly used in Atlanta.. I could be wrong..
but I heard a lot of people referred themselves to "ghetto" something when I was there for work.

 

[OldGuyBjjATL]

Pardon me for saying it, but I can't help noticing the slightly coded, thinly veiled racism going on in this post. She's 'ghetto looney'? What does that mean exactly?

Also, Ghetto queen? Really?!

Seriously? "coded" "thinly veiled racism"? Come on man. I may misunderstand your context; and if so, I do apologize in advance.

Why do people immediately fall to the race card? That was not racism. I did not state that one race is better than another race. The incorrect assumption seemed to be that the only implication was "black ghetto". And even if I did that, I do not think it matters.

What my statement was, was a generalization based upon a cliche. And many, if not most cliche's, are based on reality. That said, I stand by the statement.

Go into the ghetto anywhere, black, white, brown... and you see people who act with the "playa", "balla", "thug" persona. It is irrational to call a statement, based upon behavioral characteristics of these "players", racist.

I live in an Atlanta suburb called Sandy Springs. It is a pretty affluent place to live. And people who have the financial wealth to call themselves "players", "ballers", etc; do not act in such pathetic, unsophisticated, "ghetto" ways.

There wasn't a thing that I said that was racist.
However, there is something to consider. IF a person see's racism where there is none, then perhaps the person with that view, has the racist tendencies. Not saying you are, just providing a perception.

 

[OldGuyBjjATL]

Seems like Ghetto queen is commonly used in Atlanta.. I could be wrong..
but I heard a lot of people referred themselves to "ghetto" something when I was there for work.

This is a true statement. Very true statement, especially in Atlanta.
The whole "thug life", "ghetto" thing is worn as a badge of honor in certain parts of town. And frankly, LI is acting within the whole "thug life" persona in that video.

 

[devnull]

I have talked to more than a people that have left TLI which would disagree with everything you say. You accuse everyone of being stuck in certain viewpoints yet you seem to be equally stuck. I've asked you a few times what you would have to see/hear/read etc to change your view. Maybe you need to be an eyewitness to lloyd or his team in the act of certain things. I think that would be an extreme stance but maybe that is your stance. It just seems that there is nothing that can come out that would sway your opinion.

Why would I go into the what if Lloyd would do game? That is purely hypothetical reasoning. I have stated that the acts of rape are wrong and if they are found guilty they should be punished to the full extent of the law. If anyone commits a crime like rape, murder, the really deadly sin no I don't want to be associated with them. Master Lloyd is involved in the current case and the 20 year old case was dealt with and closed, its a closed matter, everything on that subject has been at that speculation off news articles, that is my view point on that nothing has come along or been brought up to make it seem otherwise. Do answer yoour question yes there are things that would sway my opinion absolutely but I don't believe he has done any of that for me to feel that way even close.

 

[devnull]

Why won't you answer my questions?

What do you want to know that i have not already answered already?