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BETA Academy owner explains ending relationship with Lloyd Irvin

Jdonw said:
The former GM is also a current member of lloyd's gym, and attempting to position himself with LI for the purpose of marketing and real estate. If people are going to try to discredit Nakapan based on the idea that he could have another angle, you can clearly see the angle that the GM is playing. So don't act like the GM is doing that to create a well informed public.
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Yeah clearly this guy wants to be the next Nak. Guy's doing a good job of going down on Lloyd
 
deadlizard said:
LI is a douche, that much we can all agree on.

For all of you that think Nakapan is a saint, you're just as dumb as the medal chasers.

This is a lesson for all of us in business. When you want to out someone in public, make sure you're squeeky clean. Or don't say anything at all. Just walk away and be done with it.

In the end, the reputation for Beta and TLI will both suffer. Gyms like 50/50 or gyms in the same area will prosper from this.
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I can't think of any instructor in BJJ that is a saint. Well maybe I could name a few that I don't know anything bad about yet, but that's probably just because I don't have enough experience with them.

All BJJ instructors are human and fuck up. They make mistakes and do bad shit from time to time. The difference is that some recognize this, take responsibility for their actions, and try to change for the better. These are the good instructors.

Others dismiss all criticism (bunch of 97% haters, etc.), punish dissenters in the gym, and run a cult of personality in which they are the almighty Master. These are the bad instructors.

If you're looking for your instructor to be a saint, you're going to be sorely disappointed. I'm perfectly fine with a flawed sinner instructor as long as he recognizes it and does not embrace it like a total fucking scumbag.
 
KGB256 said:
The biggest issue I have with blaming Irvin for the NYE rape is it takes blame away from Schultz & Maldonado. But hey, I suppose that's fair, because they never spammed me with any annoying marketing emails.
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lol, you seriously think this is about the spam emails? you can't see the big picture here

I'm not under the illusion that Nakapan, or Hall, or anyone else is a saint. I just fail to see how any of the accusations Lloyd and company have leveled against them make Lloyd look any better.

Lloyd has been in quicksand ever since the NYE rape. he should have recognized the gravity of the situation and issued a statement, cut ties with the two accused, and just shut the fuck up for a while. I would have just gone on with life thinking that Lloyd Irvin was just this big famous BJJ coach from Camp Springs. seriously I had no idea

its everything he has done since then that has made him look like a manipulative psychopath. every single statement, apology letter, video he releases makes him look worse and puts him in a worse position. to use a BJJ metaphor, it looks like he is spazzing. is it ironic?
 
Balto said:
I can't think of any instructor in BJJ that is a saint. Well maybe I could name a few that I don't know anything bad about yet, but that's probably just because I don't have enough experience with them.

All BJJ instructors are human and fuck up. They make mistakes and do bad shit from time to time. The difference is that some recognize this, take responsibility for their actions, and try to change for the better. These are the good instructors.

Others dismiss all criticism (bunch of 97% haters, etc.), punish dissenters in the gym, and run a cult of personality in which they are the almighty Master. These are the bad instructors.

If you're looking for your instructor to be a saint, you're going to be sorely disappointed. I'm perfectly fine with a flawed sinner instructor as long as he recognizes it and does not embrace it like a total fucking scumbag.
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I'm sure he see the error in his ways and is repenting. Like I mentioned before, it takes real guts to turn your back on a person you call master for 10 years.

My point is Nak hired people like Omega Red, taught him and stood by him when he does his TLI sales tactics.

It's like a pimp driving a Bently repenting his sins.
 
I think Nakapan is doing what he needs to do to keep his academy relevant. After all, in late October, he was talking about how he signed his life away to the tune of multiple millions for his new, 10,000sf facility in the heart of DC. If his growth exploded as a result of his association with Lloyd, now that the association is dissolved, I would guess he needs to figure something out, and fast.

As far as Lloyd, he is a different kind of cat, but he's successful, and crabs in a bucket will always try to tear you down and yank you back to the bottom with the rest of the less successful. If Lloyd carried a gun, so what? If he took it out and put it on the table, have any of you ever thought how uncomfortable it might be to try to sit comfortably with a pistol strapped to you? I seriously doubt he'd try to threaten Nakapan with a gun.

As a smallish guy who trains, I'm sure Nakapan is intimidated by few men - except perhaps a really big dude who also trains, and who's likely better than him.

Anyway, the truth likely lies somewhere in between, and we all just need to take a step back and step onto our mats (or our academy's mats) and just train.
 
Balto said:
I can't think of any instructor in BJJ that is a saint. Well maybe I could name a few that I don't know anything bad about yet, but that's probably just because I don't have enough experience with them.

All BJJ instructors are human and fuck up. They make mistakes and do bad shit from time to time. The difference is that some recognize this, take responsibility for their actions, and try to change for the better. These are the good instructors.

Others dismiss all criticism (bunch of 97% haters, etc.), punish dissenters in the gym, and run a cult of personality in which they are the almighty Master. These are the bad instructors.

If you're looking for your instructor to be a saint, you're going to be sorely disappointed. I'm perfectly fine with a flawed sinner instructor as long as he recognizes it and does not embrace it like a total fucking scumbag.
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Takes more than a letter online to make up for what he was doing, etc. IMO.

Not to mention the two separate reasons for leaving......
 
devnull said:
I've always said my association is none of your business. I then came out and said I support TLI and Master Lloyd which is still true, I am not paid or endorsed by them in any way and English is not my language and I don't speak German which I have also said before, again none of your business.
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Maybe so but you more or less made us believe you was German and posted from Germany which was checked and it showed you where based close to Baltimore.
If you lie or mislead people on such small things why should we believe anything else you say or claim?

http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/78539481-post982.html
 
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Balto said:
He definitely has that many students and surely makes a nice profit. He runs a very successful gym.

I'm just saying that I really don't believe the Mastermind coaching advice did all that much for it. I've talked with a couple different guys who went to the Lloyd business seminars (not sure if they were Mastermind level, but at least the entry level seminars) and the advice that they raved about from Lloyd just made me chuckle. I mean yeah it was generally correct on the whole, but it was also very obvious business stuff that is available a lot of other places for basically free.

I usually ended by telling them if they had just given me a call and talked for a while they could have saved the $600 or whatever the seminar cost. I was a staff instructor for a big commercial Karate school as my high school job, and I got trained on all this stuff. I have yet to hear one good idea from Lloyd that I did not already know about and in fact implement at that school. I have heard a few questionable ones (like not posting schedules), and when I point out the potential flaws people are just incredulous that I would question Lloyd since he is so rich with all of his $20 bills fanned out.

There's just no way Lloyd's stuff works without a ton of work from the owner to adapt it and implement it. It is a small percentage of the success. There is no way that paying Lloyd $35K a year for his dated 5+ year old SEO advice and Angelfire website templates could ever be a smart investment.
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But that is the key you "were trained on all this stuff" your knowledge came from somewhere else... These martial arts school owners do not have this knowledge... The only way for them to obtain this knowledge; is to be taught it like you were... Its clear to see that Lloyd has used this knowledge to build his academy into one of the best BJJ facilities around... Many very well respected martial arts school owners have also credited their current level of success to Lloyd's system

Its great that your sharing your knowledge for free!.. but there is a big market for this kinda off stuff... Because many people in society lack the ability to synthesize the vast amount of information available to us; into knowledge that they can practically apply... Hence the current Life Coach craze which has boomed during this information age

This:

hawyanryan said:
I think Nakapan is doing what he needs to do to keep his academy relevant. After all, in late October, he was talking about how he signed his life away to the tune of multiple millions for his new, 10,000sf facility in the heart of DC. If his growth exploded as a result of his association with Lloyd, now that the association is dissolved, I would guess he needs to figure something out, and fast.
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Title Fight Productions said:
Takes more than a letter online to make up for what he was doing, etc. IMO.

Not to mention the two separate reasons for leaving......
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Lloyd is not a millionaire now... hes a member of Billionaire Boys Club wow...
 
Nomad Nemesis said:
wow, good shit man.

I think we can all agree that all Lloyd cares about is himself and money. He never has or never will do anything for BJJ. He only does things for Lloyd.

Some day Lloyd will make a thread to the wrong man's wife and that will be that. Of course Lloyd couldn't understand caring about anything more than he cares about money. He fits right in with all those idiot rappers he tries to emulate in his cray cray vids he puts out now.

funny, when he spoke about being robbed at gunpoint, he kept saying "the guy is pointing a gun at my head, that is a red light. the guy points the gun at my wife's head that is green light". I thought that was funny but maybe i was just jumping to the wrong conclusion. but no, i think he meant that it was fine for his wife to get shot in the head if he could disarm the guy, but he would not let himself get shot in the head. Most sane people would not say this out loud. Maybe Lloyd suffers from delusions of grandeur.
Still saying he pulls some dave chappelle in dbol's pigeon coup shit soon.
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+1

Why are you on dubs?
I miss the banana.
 
KGB256 said:
All due respect to your psychic abilities, I don't think anybody in this discussion is in a position to declare what Lloyd Irvin thinks. Particularly since you're claiming that Irvin and the people around him think it's okay to rape someone.

If you don't have a problem with the seminar, I'm not sure WTF you're arguing about. The dude is a scumbag, but you're making it out like he can't do a good thing that would also give him good PR....nope, if it gives him good PR, that's the only possible motivation. The guy's a scumbag, but he's not a cartoon character.
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You're choosing to go down the road of snark as opposed to being rational. I'm not talking about about what I think that LI was thinking. I'm speaking about his actions.
 
carebear said:
BBC is Big Black Coc* in porn movies. So I have heard.
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