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BETA Academy owner explains ending relationship with Lloyd Irvin

devnull said:
We can get into the game of trying to demean somone's character but if you don't know both sides or the whole story people need to shut the hell up.
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Tell us the other side of the story, Devnull. Stop pussyfooting around the issue of your connection to Lloyd and tell us what you know that we don't. Expose this evil cabal, once and for all!
 
Oliver Stone should make a movie about this. someone should be writing this script right now

I'm curious, is this a uniquely American thing?

are European, Asian, African kids indoctrinated from early on that success in life is determined by setting a goal of accumulating lots of cash so that you can buy lots of stuff and therefore be happy, and then going out doing whatever it takes to achieve it?

or is that really just us? I know we actively export it to a large degree
 
I wonder how Dalla feels about all this?
 
devnull said:
Lloyds business practices are his own business, none of my concern. If you don't like it don't do business with him its that simple. He has a right to carry a gun if he wants, right now all you have heard is one side of changing story from Beta with a motive to do damage because they are direct competitors now as well as Hall and especially Callos. Lloyd has done nothing wrong in my eyes.
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The story isn't changing. There can be more than one aspect to a story, right?

In reality, the business aspect is more likely a reason for Nak's split than the rape thing. But the rape thing was the perfect catalyst to allow him to split.
 
devnull said:
You can give them props for what they believe in but when they do it in complete honestly without any side tactics to attack a business its a different story. Ryan Hall left Lloyd because of money. He was mad because Lloyd would not give him enough of the proceeds from the dvd he made, basic greed, and look where he is now, this after Lloyd paid his way for everything from tournaments funding every day life. He is trying to make himself look like a outstanding jiu-jitsu citizen representing the community, all he represents in my eyes is greed and failure which has led to his permanent disdain for Lloyd.

With that said I have no ill will or dis-respect for Ryan I just think he is misrepresenting himself in many ways. Have you seen the way he coaches his teammates and competitors, he yells and swears at them like dogs, I have never seen Lloyd do this, I have personally seen Ryan do this on many occasions. We can get into the game of trying to demean somone's character but if you don't know both sides or the whole story people need to shut the hell up.

Props to Nak , Ryan and the group, I THINK NOT, its all business and not about what you think it is, and you all have been fooled.
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Its posts like this that make me fairly convinced there must be multiple people using this account. As someone that has studied English, and has spent a lot of time doing editing work, the devnull posts have several different writing voices and even seemingly different levels of english proficiency. Maybe its just a crazy CT, but that is my impression.

Sometimes you are lucid and coherent, and other times you seem to not even know what we are talking about. Strange indeed.
 
AcesUp22 said:
You're wrong. When he started his academy, he was still working full time in some sort of accounting capacity. I don't believe the beta academy is even five years old.
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What was going on with the "working behind the scenes" and The miss guided chapter with attempting to save his school and his project with Lloyd?
 
devnull said:
You know what and that's fine, let the letters some. There are always two sides to every story keep that in mind. Everyone here is like Lloyd pointed a gun at Nak's head and said do this or die? Really cmon please people. He has legal time and lawyers and they were ones who told him not to make a statement / recant it and he even said that in his letter when, but by then it was way to late for all of you, it would have been to late even if he responded right away all the same for many of the folks here.
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For example this post sounds similar to the way that DJ writes.
 
anaconda said:
Its posts like this that make me fairly convinced there must be multiple people using this account. As someone that has studied English, and has spent a lot of time doing editing work, the devnull posts have several different writing voices and even seemingly different levels of english proficiency. Maybe its just a crazy CT, but that is my impression.

Sometimes you are lucid and coherent, and other times you seem to not even know what we are talking about. Strange indeed.
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Yeah, I have thought this for awhile. Thing that got me is how obviously Denvull was Avallon from time to time.
 
devnull said:
Lol for the conspiracy theories again same person sorry bro.
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but you're not devlin kostal either, right? but you write for a bjj blog and travel too...
 
anaconda said:
but you're not devlin kostal either, right? but you write for a bjj blog and travel too...
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Dude, honestly he is just some guy who happened to show up on Sherdog a few days before the shit storm to post in a HOT BJJ GIRLS thread and then just happened to notice the LI thread a few days later.
 
devnull said:
Lol for the conspiracy theories again same person sorry bro.
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You mean conspiracy theories like how Ryan Hall, Tom Callos, a reporter from 1989 and Nak are all out to destroy LI?

Give us the whole story, Devnull. What don't we know that will change our minds?
 
Title Fight Productions said:
Dude, honestly he is just some guy who happened to show up on Sherdog a few days before the shit storm to post in a HOT BJJ GIRLS thread and then just happened to notice the LI thread a few days later.
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My timeline regarding this was also backed by moderators on this forum for you doubters.
 
anaconda said:
but you're not devlin kostal either, right? but you write for a bjj blog and travel too...
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Who I am does it matter? Even if I was Devlin Kostal, which I am not, it's none of your business. The fact is that is my business, most of you on here have met and talked to me (IBJJF, CBJJF, ABU DHABI) is the funny thing, but on here is my business.
 
devnull said:
Who I am does it matter? Even if I was Devlin Kostal, which I am not, it's none of your business. The fact is that is my business, most of you on here have met and talked to me (IBJJF, CBJJF, ABU DHABI) is the funny thing, but on here is my business.
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Lloyd Irvin dis-info agent pls go.
 
surprise, surprise, people who got involved with Lloyd ended up losing more than they made, while Lloyd creamed off the top. This is how pyramid/MLM schemes work, the 'lessers' fund the 'greaters'.

I got respect for the guy for coming out in the open about this, but I can't help feel he's a little naive and kin of caused his own misfortune. If Lloyd asked me to pay him 35k a year for 'consultation' I would've laughed in his goddamn face.
 
devnull said:
Who I am does it matter? Even if I was Devlin Kostal, which I am not, it's none of your business.
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this account is probably just another asset in the LI network. whoever has time to post propaganda just logs in and goes to town. it's just another part of business as usual

please defend the $5k ballers seminar. is that just "everyone's got a right to make a buck?"

I don't know one person in real life who would take that garbage seriously
 
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