BETA Academy owner explains ending relationship with Lloyd Irvin

[Murdoch]

Lloyd has done nothing wrong in my eyes.

From what you have posted before I wonder what he WOULD have to do for you to consider him of wrongdoing. It seems like you have an answer for every new development. Can you agree that if you step back and look at the big picture there is evidence that lloyd isn't the great guy he pretends to be?

As far as his team never being weakened I think you're wrong. What message is sent when his oldest students all leave? Fowler, Ryan, Jared, Wilson, Nak, "Chim" Garcia and I believe Dominic Cruz as well. How long before JT, DJ or others wise up OR lloyd passes them up for younger more easily influenced people. I think a lot of people that would initially get lured into wanting to be a medal chaser have second thoughts now. Why go to lloyd when you could go to schools/teams that have produced blackbelt world champs and don't have poor reputations in terms of morals and values?

Props to Nak, Ryan, Tom Callos, Jared, Wilson, Chim, Fowler and anyone else that stands up for what they believe in. I haven't seen anyone question the character of those gentleman at all.

 

[AcesUp22]

Hucksters are the worst. Lloyd is some sort of bully-huckster.

Here is a great piece of advice, if you want to get rich, DON'T open a martial arts gym. Do something else.

Nakapan and Melanie are classy individuals. Good riddance Lloyd.

 

[Tobago Jones]

WOW.

Shit just gets worse and worse. If I was a member of TLI, i'd be out of there ASAP.

 

[ElKarlo]

WOW.

Shit just gets worse and worse. If I was a member of TLI, i'd be out of there ASAP.

Oldmanbjj was a student at LI. I wonder if he has been back since? I would go back just to see how many people are leaving.

 

[BruceLeeMMA]

From what you have posted before I wonder what he WOULD have to do for you to consider him of wrongdoing. It seems like you have an answer for every new development. Can you agree that if you step back and look at the big picture there is evidence that lloyd isn't the great guy he pretends to be?

As far as his team never being weakened I think you're wrong. What message is sent when his oldest students all leave? Fowler, Ryan, Jared, Wilson, Nak, "Chim" Garcia and I believe Dominic Cruz as well. How long before JT, DJ or others wise up OR lloyd passes them up for younger more easily influenced people. I think a lot of people that would initially get lured into wanting to be a medal chaser have second thoughts now. Why go to lloyd when you could go to schools/teams that have produced blackbelt world champs and don't have poor reputations in terms of morals and values?

Props to Nak, Ryan, Tom Callos, Jared, Wilson, Chim, Fowler and anyone else that stands up for what they believe in. I haven't seen anyone question the character of those gentleman at all.

Fowler left Lloyd on good terms and I haven't heard him ever say anything bad about Lloyd. The original reason given was that financially flying from Hawaii to Maryland was alot more time consuming and costly than to Atos in San Diego, especially with the baby on the way.

I listened to your Open Mat Mix Tape interview with Fowler and Fowler did not address his departure from Lloyd and the interviewer did not bring up Lloyd's name which was a little disappointing. That is unless I missed something in the interview which is slightly possible since I had to listen to it in two sittings.

 

[Nomad Nemesis**]

I don' have anything against them, its better that they are gone, but now all the "damage games" will be played to the fullest extent. It's ok though, this was clearly seen coming a mile a way. Next is probably something from Jared, lol, can't wait...

do you wear a english or western saddle upon lloyd's nuts?

nah, but seriously, Gsparky, this is your best troll since teamgarcia! Armbar while being mounted for everyone. did you get the 2012 mundials set from budovids yet?

 

[Title Fight Productions]

I have actually known Nak for awhile. He is one of the nicest dudes I know and not a person who will make up stories.

correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't he spent the better part of 5 years helping LI scam people?

 

[QingTian]

funny, when he spoke about being robbed at gunpoint, he kept saying "the guy is pointing a gun at my head, that is a red light. the guy points the gun at my wife's head that is green light". I thought that was funny but maybe i was just jumping to the wrong conclusion. but no, i think he meant that it was fine for his wife to get shot in the head if he could disarm the guy, but he would not let himself get shot in the head. Most sane people would not say this out loud. Maybe Lloyd suffers from delusions of grandeur.
Still saying he pulls some dave chappelle in dbol's pigeon coup shit soon.

In the video Lloyd said the gunman pointed the gun away, motioning where he wanted Lloyd to go. I don't recall him saying it was pointed at his wife's head. At that moment he had to time his attack.

 

[Tiger Uppercut]

You all have said the same thing over and over again, its quite comical. The same was said when Mike Fowler left, oh it's the fall of Lloyd, then Ryan Left, oh its the fall of TLI, and so on and on. It really means nothing, the select few superstars or not don't make up the team, and the team will and forever will be strong.

i'm actually one of the few that gave LI the benefit of the doubt and didn't see the need to crucify him over the actions of 2 grown men just b/c they trained at his gym/with his team. Then his past started resurfacing and i still was like, well the courts didn't find him guilty, it sounded like a shady situation anyway and if nothing has happened since then, I'll cut the guy a break and say he got caught in a terrible situation, but has made the changes to right his path.

However I think he's handled things atrociously and it's pretty obvious the flood gates have been opened and there's probably gonna be a letter like Nakapans every few weeks.

 

[devnull]

From what you have posted before I wonder what he WOULD have to do for you to consider him of wrongdoing. It seems like you have an answer for every new development. Can you agree that if you step back and look at the big picture there is evidence that lloyd isn't the great guy he pretends to be?

As far as his team never being weakened I think you're wrong. What message is sent when his oldest students all leave? Fowler, Ryan, Jared, Wilson, Nak, "Chim" Garcia and I believe Dominic Cruz as well. How long before JT, DJ or others wise up OR lloyd passes them up for younger more easily influenced people. I think a lot of people that would initially get lured into wanting to be a medal chaser have second thoughts now. Why go to lloyd when you could go to schools/teams that have produced blackbelt world champs and don't have poor reputations in terms of morals and values?

Props to Nak, Ryan, Tom Callos, Jared, Wilson, Chim, Fowler and anyone else that stands up for what they believe in. I haven't seen anyone question the character of those gentleman at all.

You can give them props for what they believe in but when they do it in complete honestly without any side tactics to attack a business its a different story. Ryan Hall left Lloyd because of money. He was mad because Lloyd would not give him enough of the proceeds from the dvd he made, basic greed, and look where he is now, this after Lloyd paid his way for everything from tournaments funding every day life. He is trying to make himself look like a outstanding jiu-jitsu citizen representing the community, all he represents in my eyes is greed and failure which has led to his permanent disdain for Lloyd.

With that said I have no ill will or dis-respect for Ryan I just think he is misrepresenting himself in many ways. Have you seen the way he coaches his teammates and competitors, he yells and swears at them like dogs, I have never seen Lloyd do this, I have personally seen Ryan do this on many occasions. We can get into the game of trying to demean somone's character but if you don't know both sides or the whole story people need to shut the hell up.

Props to Nak , Ryan and the group, I THINK NOT, its all business and not about what you think it is, and you all have been fooled.

 

[dr_hellno]

I won't pay $5000 for a seat at his seminar, but I might pay it to be front row at his audit.

 

[devnull]

i'm actually one of the few that gave LI the benefit of the doubt and didn't see the need to crucify him over the actions of 2 grown men just b/c they trained at his gym/with his team. Then his past started resurfacing and i still was like, well the courts didn't find him guilty, it sounded like a shady situation anyway and if nothing has happened since then, I'll cut the guy a break and say he got caught in a terrible situation, but has made the changes to right his path.

However I think he's handled things atrociously and it's pretty obvious the flood gates have been opened and there's probably gonna be a letter like Nakapans every few weeks.

You know what and that's fine, let the letters some. There are always two sides to every story keep that in mind. Everyone here is like Lloyd pointed a gun at Nak's head and said do this or die? Really cmon please people. He has legal time and lawyers and they were ones who told him not to make a statement / recant it and he even said that in his letter when, but by then it was way to late for all of you, it would have been to late even if he responded right away all the same for many of the folks here.

 

[AcesUp22]

correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't he spent the better part of 5 years helping LI scam people?

You're wrong. When he started his academy, he was still working full time in some sort of accounting capacity. I don't believe the beta academy is even five years old.

 

[seatea]

all he represents in my eyes is greed and failure which has led to his permanent disdain for Lloyd.

You are too stupid to see the hypocrisy in this.

With that said I have no ill will or dis-respect for Ryan I just think he is misrepresenting himself in many ways. Have you seen the way he coaches his teammates and competitors, he yells and swears at them like dogs,

Prove it.

I have never seen Lloyd do this, I have personally seen Ryan do this on many occasions.

So you admit to having a connection to Lloyd?

We can get into the game of trying to demean somone's character but if you don't know both sides or the whole story people need to shut the hell up.

More hypocrisy.

 

[Kenny from MD]

Have you seen the way he coaches his teammates and competitors, he yells and swears at them like dogs, I have never seen Lloyd do this, I have personally seen Ryan do this on many occasions.

Haha what? One time when I was a blue belt Ryan told me if I didn't stop stalling he was going to stop coaching me... that's the only time I can think of him being "negative" during a match. Except that I was stalling, and I wouldn't have wanted to coach me either.

 

[beeran1]

Lloyds business practices are his own business, none of my concern. If you don't like it don't do business with him its that simple. He has a right to carry a gun if he wants, right now all you have heard is one side of changing story from Beta with a motive to do damage because they are direct competitors now as well as Hall and especially Callos. Lloyd has done nothing wrong in my eyes.

You, sir, are a f**king clown. I am embarrassed that we share a common interest.

 

[Alonbenav]

Lloyds business practices are his own business, none of my concern. If you don't like it don't do business with him its that simple. He has a right to carry a gun if he wants, right now all you have heard is one side of changing story from Beta with a motive to do damage because they are direct competitors now as well as Hall and especially Callos. Lloyd has done nothing wrong in my eyes.

"Guys, just because someone has atrocious, unethical, and exploitative business practices doesn't mean he should be open to criticism! And it sure doesn't mean that I should have to jump off that nutsack!

I mean, there is a cabal out to destroy LI. A CABAL! As long as he doesn't actually murder someone in my family, who am I to criticize?"

-Devnull

 

[dr_hellno]

So you admit to having a connection to Lloyd?More hypocrisy.

He's the one who designs all the fancy-pants websites. A shame that lloydirvinrape.com went down before the immaculate layout could be truly appreciated.

 

[seatea]

He's the one who designs all the fancy-pants websites. A shame that lloydirvinrape.com went down before the immaculate layout could be truly appreciated by the masses.

It's still going.

http://www.lloydirvinrapeexposed.com/

 

[Title Fight Productions]

You're wrong. When he started his academy, he was still working full time in some sort of accounting capacity. I don't believe the beta academy is even five years old.

Fair enough, his "letter" made it sound like he was knowingly deceiving gym owners because he was in to deep with Lloyd and loosing money and ashamed to speak up against his "millionaires" group.