BETA Academy owner explains ending relationship with Lloyd Irvin

[OldGuyBjjATL]

I don't know why you're laughing like it's not true. Deep inside you know it, every fucking one of you bashing LI know this as well. I've said it several times here and I'll say it again: the hate for LI in this threads is not coming from the situation at hand, it's coming down to the hate against his money making technique, which pretty much hustles everyone, and there is NOTHING wrong with that, absolutely nothing. If you get hustled, it's your fault, nobody else. You are grown enough to think you can sit on a mil like him? You are grown enough to handle the consequences of your actions.

It's funny how the whole thing with LI is going down on Facebook yet none of the main bashers in this forum has stepped up to Facebook. All yall do is share your hate for LI in literally, a circular motion of posts and threads. The proof is the the last 3 pages of f12.

This is a prime example of the low level thinking that typifies someone sucked into a cult of personality like TLI. On top of that, it also typifies the unethical, unprofessional, unsophisticated low level intelligence that goes into rationalizing that swindling people is a-okay.

To say that it is okay to hustle someone after they've provided a level of trust is absolutely pathetic. And it is also damning and indicative of the low level of intelligence and predatory behavior of the TLI lemmings. Here we have a person that is one of these TLI lemmings saying that it is perfectly okay to act in a criminal predatory way, and indicting the very thing that they are arguing against.

So thank you for validating the very thing that people are calling out LI about. You just stated that you think that it is okay to swindle people if you're dumb enough to trust a TLI member.

 

[DanOfEarth]

I don't know why you're laughing like it's not true. Deep inside you know it, every fucking one of you bashing LI know this as well. I've said it several times here and I'll say it again: the hate for LI in this threads is not coming from the situation at hand, it's coming down to the hate against his money making technique, which pretty much hustles everyone, and there is NOTHING wrong with that, absolutely nothing. If you get hustled, it's your fault, nobody else. You are grown enough to think you can sit on a mil like him? You are grown enough to handle the consequences of your actions.

It's funny how the whole thing with LI is going down on Facebook yet none of the main bashers in this forum has stepped up to Facebook. All yall do is share your hate for LI in literally, a circular motion of posts and threads. The proof is the the last 3 pages of f12.

 

[Pizdek]

It's funny how the whole thing with LI is going down on Facebook yet none of the main bashers in this forum has stepped up to Facebook. All yall do is share your hate for LI in literally, a circular motion of posts and threads. The proof is the the last 3 pages of f12.

dude... Master Limpy deleted my post on his fb same minute I posted it...

 

[KJGould]

Lest we forget what triggered this chain of events, Schultz and Maldonado will likely have their trial set in a few days time at the Federal Status Conference, on February 27th.

Essentially both the prosecution and defense will let the Judge know if they're ready to proceed to trial with the evidence they've collected and testimony they expect, that sort of thing.

 

[The Cicada]

I don't know why you're laughing like it's not true. Deep inside you know it, every fucking one of you bashing LI know this as well. I've said it several times here and I'll say it again: the hate for LI in this threads is not coming from the situation at hand, it's coming down to the hate against his money making technique, which pretty much hustles everyone, and there is NOTHING wrong with that, absolutely nothing. If you get hustled, it's your fault, nobody else. You are grown enough to think you can sit on a mil like him? You are grown enough to handle the consequences of your actions.

It's funny how the whole thing with LI is going down on Facebook yet none of the main bashers in this forum has stepped up to Facebook. All yall do is share your hate for LI in literally, a circular motion of posts and threads. The proof is the the last 3 pages of f12.

Pathetic. The honor in our society is deteriorating at a rapid rate. Martial arts are meant to protect and further honor among us. Martial arts practitioners are some of the last protectors of honor, accountability, and virtue and we as practitioners must protect the code of the martial arts and punish those who do not. You obviously do not have honor if you think it is ok to hustle someone. I am going to put out some info that might be tmi....my wife and I work our butts off to raise three kids the right way in an expensive area and we are both public servants. Needless to say we don't have a lot of money left over at the end of the month. Would you feel good about hustling me out of my hard earned money Chulo? Hustling me because I might not be as business savvy or as intelligent as you?(highly doubt that but you get my point).

 

[anaconda]

I don't know why you're laughing like it's not true. Deep inside you know it, every fucking one of you bashing LI know this as well. I've said it several times here and I'll say it again: the hate for LI in this threads is not coming from the situation at hand, it's coming down to the hate against his money making technique, which pretty much hustles everyone, and there is NOTHING wrong with that, absolutely nothing. If you get hustled, it's your fault, nobody else. You are grown enough to think you can sit on a mil like him? You are grown enough to handle the consequences of your actions.

It's funny how the whole thing with LI is going down on Facebook yet none of the main bashers in this forum has stepped up to Facebook. All yall do is share your hate for LI in literally, a circular motion of posts and threads. The proof is the the last 3 pages of f12.

You believe its ok to mislead people with the intention of taking money from them?

In that case, you should go train with Lloyd. Sounds like he would be a great master for you. I'm glad you have no honor.

 

[anaconda]

this is a prime example of the low level thinking that typifies someone sucked into a cult of personality like tli. On top of that, it also typifies the unethical, unprofessional, unsophisticated low level intelligence that goes into rationalizing that swindling people is a-okay.

To say that it is okay to hustle someone after they've provided a level of trust is absolutely pathetic. And it is also damning and indicative of the low level of intelligence and predatory behavior of the tli lemmings. Here we have a person that is one of these tli lemmings saying that it is perfectly okay to act in a criminal predatory way, and indicting the very thing that they are arguing against.

So thank you for validating the very thing that people are calling out li about. You just stated that you think that it is okay to swindle people if you're dumb enough to trust a tli member.

+1.

 

[OldGuyBjjATL]

It's funny how chulo calls LI's MLM scams a "technique".

There is no real "technique" involved. All he needs is sheer number of people who are dim enough to be scammed. That's how MLM's work. And chulo, isn't smart enough to realize that.

 

[ElKarlo]

It's called The Streisand Effect - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect

Betweeb the Ben Franklin effect and this i am learning a lot from LI. Thanks

 

[Chulo**]

lets get it


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This is a prime example of the low level thinking that typifies someone sucked into a cult of personality like TLI. On top of that, it also typifies the unethical, unprofessional, unsophisticated low level intelligence that goes into rationalizing that swindling people is a-okay.

To say that it is okay to hustle someone after they've provided a level of trust is absolutely pathetic. And it is also damning and indicative of the low level of intelligence and predatory behavior of the TLI lemmings. Here we have a person that is one of these TLI lemmings saying that it is perfectly okay to act in a criminal predatory way, and indicting the very thing that they are arguing against.

So thank you for validating the very thing that people are calling out LI about. You just stated that you think that it is okay to swindle people if you're dumb enough to trust a TLI member.

Trust? Did he ask you to join his team or something? Did he give you his word or something? No. He states that it will HELP you try to make money, not give you money. The level of trust you put into is in all on you.

Before we go any further, let's define "hustle";

1. Hustle 1266 up, 321 down

Anythin you need to do to make money... be it sellin cars, drugs, ya body. If you makin money, you hustlin.
"I been workin two jobs, tryna stay on my hustle and make this money, na mean?"

Is making money off BJJ now? Don't bring your philosophies bullshit into how martial arts is for the soul and shit whatever it is; it's your point of view, not everybody else's.

Here we have a person that is one of these TLI lemmings saying that it is perfectly okay to act in a criminal predatory way, and indicting the very thing that they are arguing against.

When did I say LI is not guilty of rape? Once again, a failed argument is failed. Hustling is not in any way or form "criminal predatory", whatever the fuck that means.

So thank you for validating the very thing that people are calling out LI about. You just stated that you think that it is okay to swindle people if you're dumb enough to trust a TLI member

Putting your money with LI would be no different than putting your money in a stock. Whatever happens happens, and it's all on you for trusting it. This can pretty go with anything. Just note, LI did nothing wrong right here because he is offering something in return for your money. And if it didn't make you a milli or you're unsatisfied, that would be a personal problem.

Pathetic. The honor in our society is deteriorating at a rapid rate. Martial arts are meant to protect and further honor among us. Martial arts practitioners are some of the last protectors of honor, accountability, and virtue and we as practitioners must protect the code of the martial arts and punish those who do not. You obviously do not have honor if you think it is ok to hustle someone. I am going to put out some info that might be tmi....my wife and I work our butts off to raise three kids the right way in an expensive area and we are both public servants. Needless to say we don't have a lot of money left over at the end of the month. Would you feel good about hustling me out of my hard earned money Chulo? Hustling me because I might not be as business savvy or as intelligent as you?(highly doubt that but you get my point).

I completely understand your point. I honestly, truly and sincerely respect your situation. That doesn't mean that you're not missing the point of all this though. Quiet honestly, the definition of hustling is very lost here. Hustling is seen everywhere, such as Wal-mart. Why is Wal-Mart so cheap? Because they make deals with producers and buy in large quantities, which means they get better pricing and they can sell it for cheaper than the competition. This is where the street use for it comes. Buying marijuana in bricks and selling it by pieces; they get it cheaper by the brick and sell it off in higher price in smaller pieces, which means profit. Even though it's illegal, there is nothing wrong with it. There is NOTHING wrong with profit. LI is giving you techniques to make money in exchange for your money. He didn't take shit from you for free. He didn't jack you for nothing. Now, if you feel like he scammed you, that's all on YOU. You made that decision and you live with it.

Would you feel good about hustling me out of my hard earned money Chulo? Hustling me because I might not be as business savvy or as intelligent as you?(highly doubt that but you get my point).

[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't feel bad because I didn't steal anything from you. You're acting as if you're the only one that has it hard. I was hungry too. So don't bring that shit in here. Seriously. Let's leave personal shit out of it.

 

[j0ch1n]

Another thing I've noticed is that a lot of TLI supporters, especially Vicki, think everyone is so jealous of Lloyd's money. He's a "millionaire" so people are hatin' on his success. I don't know about anyone else, but I do not give a single shit about being a millionaire, particularly when it means building a business based on taking advantage of mostly low income, low education people. No one wants his tacky wall murals or rental cars or Scarface memorabilia. They're so oblivious as to how crass, dishonorable, and stupid they appear to everyone.

 

[TriangleMan]

Chulo and j0ch1n, show us your income statement before you stick up for Lloyd Irvin and his MLM style techniques like that.

I bet you have no money, but you aspire to and you think Lloyd Irvin is your way, or at the very least, a legitimate way, to worldly salvation. Ah, what it's like to be young and dumb.

 

[j0ch1n]

Chulo and j0ch1n, show us your income statement before you stick up for Lloyd Irvin and his MLM style techniques like that.

I bet you have no money, but you aspire to and you think Lloyd Irvin is your way, or at the very least, a legitimate way, to worldly salvation. Ah, what it's like to be young and dumb.

Huh? My whole post was a criticism of him and his supporters and how they believe idolize wealth. I don't support him at all.

1. Hustle 1266 up, 321 down

Anythin you need to do to make money... be it sellin cars, drugs, ya body. If you makin money, you hustlin.
"I been workin two jobs, tryna stay on my hustle and make this money, na mean?"

Let's agree that definitions from urban dictionary cannot be used to make valid arguments. Also, Wal-Mart destroys other smaller businesses by underselling them, underpaying their workers, and exploiting extremely underpaid foreign labor.

 

[seatea]

A more trustworthy definition of hustle.

hus

 

[Chulo**]

Chulo and j0ch1n, show us your income statement before you stick up for Lloyd Irvin and his MLM style techniques like that.

I bet you have no money, but you aspire to and you think Lloyd Irvin is your way, or at the very least, a legitimate way, to worldly salvation. Ah, what it's like to be young and dumb.

I don't got to be stupid paid to be ambitious. Another fucking stupid statement. Don't even try to relate to any of this. Being born into wealth makes you see everything the same. I don't. And don't even try to play it off homeboy. You just gave yourself in.

 

[Goat Gobbler]

I'm not a fan of Lloyd, or his marketing tactics, but with all the evidence it does seem clear that money is motivating a lot of the bigger names going against him nasmely Nakapan and Callos.



a couple posts Callos made when he got noticed (strictly for being Keenan's father), plugged his martial arts gym owner group, and how his is moral etc. it's pretty clear that aside from his moral obligation to take down Lloyd he also also trying to use the opportunity to somewhat subtly market his group... which is exactly what people here deplore about Lloyd. I see the same thing from Nak, I have a friend in Lloyds group that got a call from Nak telling him to get a refund for something he bought from Lloyd. They're being subtle know, but I promise you soon they will be all out about theyre new better moral group for school owners, where you pay a little bit less than lloyds thing, but they're going to do the same thing, and market to the people that hate lloyd.

Basically Callos has ALWAYS disliked lloyd and been jealous of his following from MA school owners, and Nak is sick of watching Lloyd make millions by coaching school owners, he already has a million dollar a year school, so the next level for him is to take money from other school owners..

I don't think Ryan Hall has any alterior motives, and it's unfair for his name to be getting thrown in with the Callos/nak crowd. I actually believe Ryan Hall has no intention of making money off people and simply wanted to voice his feelings.


Nak and Callos want to make "Lloyd Irvin Money", and they may truely dislike him and his past, but they're just using this as an opportunity to gain momentum for something they already wanted to do.


To be honest, all these assholes piss me off. I think soon You'll see all the Nak/Callos seminars for school owners popping up, and they'll be doing the exact same shit as lloyd, but they're going to use different words.

 

[AcesUp22]

Another thing I've noticed is that a lot of TLI supporters, especially Vicki, think everyone is so jealous of Lloyd's money. He's a "millionaire" so people are hatin' on his success. I don't know about anyone else, but I do not give a single shit about being a millionaire, particularly when it means building a business based on taking advantage of mostly low income, low education people. No one wants his tacky wall murals or rental cars or Scarface memorabilia. They're so oblivious as to how crass, dishonorable, and stupid they appear to everyone.

Lloyds wealth = A shiny turd

 

[OldGuyBjjATL]

I don't got to be stupid paid to be ambitious. Another fucking stupid statement. Don't even try to relate to any of this. Being born into wealth makes you see everything the same. I don't. And don't even try to play it off homeboy. You just gave yourself in.

LOL at the irony of you telling people they are making stupid statements. Your posts are irrational and incoherent at best. And you do not have a basic understanding of business; as evidenced by the reality that you don't understand the math and deceit that make up MLM scams. Or "direct marketing" as some would call it.

It preys upon the weak, and easily fooled. Worse, are the ones who buy into it like many of the TLI lemmings have.

 

[lechien]

lets get it




Don't bring your philosophies bullshit into how martial arts is for the soul and shit whatever it is; it's your point of view, not everybody else's.


Putting your money with LI would be no different than putting your money in a stock. Whatever happens happens, and it's all on you for trusting it. This can pretty go with anything. Just note, LI did nothing wrong right here because he is offering something in return for your money. And if it didn't make you a milli or you're unsatisfied, that would be a personal problem.

That is exactly what we have been talking about.

Our philosophy is bullshit. The rest of the world hates on LI because he is a millionaire.

You obviously don't understand how stock investment works because you cannot compare to spending 600 dollars to attend a millionaire MMA seminar which we now know was just a bullshit platform to up sell some other products.

If you are not satisfied, it is a personal problem.

Nah, the world does not work like that.

One day, you would have a real job and realise it the hard way.

 

[j0ch1n]

I don't got to be stupid paid to be ambitious. Another fucking stupid statement. Don't even try to relate to any of this. Being born into wealth makes you see everything the same. I don't. And don't even try to play it off homeboy. You just gave yourself in.

Lloyd doesn't give a shit about anyone else but himself making money. If he did, he wouldn't force his fighters to drop out of college. You think bjj is going to be a viable career for life? Especially when you have no more than a high school education? Yeah, good luck with the hustle.