BETA Academy owner explains ending relationship with Lloyd Irvin

[devnull]

It's not a conspiracy theory to say that you won't acknowledge any ties to Irvin because you know it makes you look biased in his favor. It's common sense.

Nobody is asking you to post your identity. But a simple "I train at a TLI affiliate" or "I'm dating one of the medal chasers" would be plenty to reveal that you have an interest in pressing your position beyond simply being a Lloyd Irvin fan.

It's hypocritical in the extreme to dismiss her opinion as biased without acknowledging that you have a bias as well.

Oh I'm not dismissing her opinion just stating her association is more close and personal intimate relationship than my association, kind of like a Parent would if their son / daughter accused they are in locked in at the heel as they say.

 

[illbert]

My first post in here but read the addendum:

Addendum:

A representative from Maryland Real Estate Secrets has been in contact with The Home Equity Theft Reporter and has advised that Lloyd Irvin is a nationally recognized internet marketer who works with professionals in various niches and that one of his present projects is working with a dental marketing company on strategies to achieve higher search engine rankings for doctors in the cosmetic dental profession. Further, Mr. Irvin's cosmetic dentistry web link is part of the project designed to determine the potential of obtaining a high internet ranking in the cosmetic dentistry and accordingly, is nothing more than a test site designed for marketing purposes and intended to assist dentistry professionals.

Damn! You have to pay for the article about the cosmetic dentistry.

 

[jhasan]

The Ireland thing can be verified with Ireland's Darragh O Conail from the Kumite.

EDIT: confirmed, the purple belt that was kicking Ryan's ass in Ireland was identified as Rich Fitzgerald

 

[MickCollins]

Shut the fuck up, Donnie.

 

[anaconda]

Well Jenn I am not here to play the he said she said game with you, my point is Ryan may be your Knight in Shining Armour but not mine, and has issues and hatred for Lloyd. His whole involvement in the smear campaign with Callos, Nak and others its quite obvious what his agenda is, but again we obviously wont agree on this either lol, cheers!!!

You mean the smear campaign where people are making Lloyd look bad for being involved in a gang rape 20 years ago? Where he refuses to apologize for anything, or show any sort of remorse? Where people are making him look bad for running pyramid schemes?

Yes - it is definitely a smear campaign...Were you the one claiming we shouldn't be playing "the rape card?"

 

[MickCollins]

Donnie:

 

[Balto]

LOL you don't read correctly either apparently. I don't speak German and now i have multiple identities namely Devlin Kostal, now Donnie, whats next?

It's pretty much guaranteed that multiple people are posting from your account dude. We aren't that dumb.

 

[Kenny from MD]

It's Ryan Hall and Callos crew trying to discredit for their own personal gain is my opinion. Callos especially is a direct competitor for business against Lloyd and has lost many clients to him because his methods are dated and not current allegedly. I knew this from the beginning especially after Ryan got involved with calling Keenans mother and family to try and act like Keenan was in danger or a crisis situation, whatever...

I'm still confused as to how Ryan Hall gains anything personally from this situation?

 

[KGB256]

Oh I'm not dismissing her opinion just stating her association is more close and personal intimate relationship than my association, kind of like a Parent would if their son / daughter accused they are in locked in at the heel as they say.

Problem is that none of us have any way to judge that, given that we don't know the nature of your relationship with Lloyd Irvin or TLI. For all we know, you could be Vicki.

 

[BizarroPutin]

Apparently, LI doesn't limit his shady ways to martial arts:
http://homeequitytheft.blogspot.com/2008/04/maryland-daily-record-recently-ran.html

this shit was rampant in PG county before the bubble burst. people put together "real estate investment clubs" which allowed them to make speculative investments using other peoples' money. it worked as long as market confidence continued to soar... the only real skill you needed was to be good at convincing people to hand over their money. sound familiar?

anyway, at the end, a lot of people were left holding the bag with properties that they had dumped tons of money into but there were no comparable properties within range so they didn't get any where near the value they needed to be profitable

I thought we already covered this.

 

[Drew Foster]

Hey Donnie,
As you know I am Ryan's girlfriend. I'm sure you are writing this trying to protect me and not simply to make up information to damage Ryan's credibility for no reason other than the lies Lloyd has obviously told you about why Ryan left (as seen by the things you are saying). You of all people should know the real reason and the issues they were having for over a year before Ryan left the team so it would be helpful to everyone if you didn't make shit up.

You also know that Ryan never makes the first move towards anyone. He is always polite and nice until someone makes him do otherwise. The difference between Ryan and most people is that he does not tolerate douche bag behavior. Most DB's are not used to being called out for it and get offended when Ryan calls them out in front of others. For them, it's easier to blame Ryan for being a "big meanie" instead of accepting that they stepped over the line because that would mean they have to adjust their poor behavior.

Not being afraid to call someone out for being a DB or an asshole regardless of the consequences and who is watching may not always be the smartest thing politically because it does make you some enemies. But it doesn't make you bipolar, it makes you a real man.

As far as my thumb being broken. I'm sure you brought that up because you had my best interests at heart and not because you just wanted to slam him for accidentally injuring a training partner. Because no one here has ever seen anyone accidentally hurt during training...

Yes, it's true that in the 6+ years I've trained with Ryan, that one time when Ryan was training for ADCC, I had to work in as a partner because he didn't have enough people to rotate in. Normally, we try not to train together when he is in competition mode since he's 50lbs heavier than me (about half my weight). And he accidentally broke my thumb. Well, we learned that I shouldn't be training with him during comp training because it's hard for him to go at the pace he needs and protect me from injury at the same time due to the size difference. Even though the break wasn't bad enough to keep me off the mats for even a single day, it was enough to show us that it wasn't a good idea to try to train hard together.

But this wasn't a big secret. I actually told everyone I talked to at the time about it because I thought it was so funny because he felt so bad about it. As a girlfriend I did what we girls do in that situation, and I milked his embarrassment over it for all I could get out if it, lol! I earned a lot of extra private jiu-jitsu lessons and many dinners out in his attempts to make up for accidentally hurting me.

But I do appreciate that you were so worried about my well-being that you tried to talk to me about it privately instead of going anonymously onto a message board to slam Ryan for it.

Edited to add: He didn't even break my thumb at 50/50 so I'm amazed that you were able to find people there who SAW it happen, lol! It happened while we were in NYC training at a friend's academy. But your facts were close.

I guess there goes that strawman /ad hominem.

 

[Vitamin C]

Problem is that none of us have any way to judge that, given that we don't know the nature of your relationship with Lloyd Irvin or TLI. For all we know, you could be Vicki.

Actually on the Facebook screenshots anaconda posted, Vicki makes reference to Internet forums and uses some phrases that have also been posted by devnull.
I was going to jokingly post that devnull is Vicki, but if what Balto says is true about TLI using one account for multiple people to post through, who is to say she hasn't had her turn.

 

[KGB256]

I guess there goes that strawman /ad hominem.

Meh, I think if anything Ryan's GF could confirm for us that his shit does, in fact, stink.

But the bottom line always has been that Ryan having his own personal faults (after all, who doesn't?) doesn't invalidate the points he's made against TLI.

 

[anaconda]

Multiple people think that one of the devnull posters is likely Vicki Irvin, due to the writing style. For those that don't know, Donnie used to post a lot on another forum and was pretty aggressive against Ryan (check out NHBgear forums). Devlin Kostal is the blogger/traveler that probably started this account; who knows?

I mean first devnull is not a TLI member, then he/she uses "we," sometimes dev is super passive and very innocent, sometimes he forgets posts he just wrote about! Sometimes the grammar is fairly good, while others it seems ESL at best. Sometimes he writes in full paragraphs and block text, some times it is disjointed, sometimes just short sentences.

Either it is one very confused individual, or multiple people posting. As someone that has edited a LOT of stuff, a writing voice is not something that is easy to change. I wouldn't be surprised if Vicki Irvin has been posting here as devnull. Or Donnie. Or anyone else.

 

[Balto]

Actually on the Facebook screenshots anaconda posted, Vicki makes reference to Internet forums and uses some phrases that have also been posted by devnull.
I was going to jokingly post that devnull is Vicki, but if what Balto says is true about TLI using one account for multiple people to post through, who is to say she hasn't had her turn.

It's definitely true.

It's hard to say with 100% certainty in any one case that it is happening, but it has been standard TLI practice for some time. In this case it is extremely likely.

 

[Irishspirit]

Meh, I think if anything Ryan's GF could confirm for us that his shit does, in fact, stink.

But the bottom line always has been that Ryan having his own personal faults (after all, who doesn't?) doesn't invalidate the points he's made against TLI.

His farts are awful.

 

[Balto]

Multiple people think that one of the devnull posters is likely Vicki Irvin, due to the writing style. For those that don't know, Donnie used to post a lot on another forum and was pretty aggressive against Ryan (check out NHBgear forums). Devlin Kostal is the blogger/traveler that probably started this account; who knows?

I mean first devnull is not a TLI member, then he/she uses "we," sometimes dev is super passive and very innocent, sometimes he forgets posts he just wrote about! Sometimes the grammar is fairly good, while others it seems ESL at best. Sometimes he writes in full paragraphs and block text, some times it is disjointed, sometimes just short sentences.

Either it is one very confused individual, or multiple people posting. As someone that has edited a LOT of stuff, a writing voice is not something that is easy to change. I wouldn't be surprised if Vicki Irvin has been posting here as devnull. Or Donnie. Or anyone else.

I think it started off with a lot of Devlin, then he got called out, then it probably passed to Minister of Propaganda Jordon to sort out the mess, then maybe Vicki Irvin had a turn, then Donnie, now he got called out so time for another shift change...

Just another great day at TLI.

 

[The K1000]

I'm still confused as to how Ryan Hall gains anything personally from this situation?

Step 1: Be a 97%er & hater

Step 2: Hate/Smear Lloyd

Step 3: ????

Step 4: profit, money success!!


It's so simple man! EVERY smart businessman knows about it. (you are a smart businessman aren't you?)

 

[Jhf884]

Meh, I think if anything Ryan's GF could confirm for us that his shit does, in fact, stink.

But the bottom line always has been that Ryan having his own personal faults (after all, who doesn't?) doesn't invalidate the points he's made against TLI.

No kidding. And just because Nak may be a d-bag scamster himself, or only in it to profit, or whatever--that doesn't make what he says about Lloyd's tactics any less true.

That's my problem w/ the whole rebuttal from TLI--say it is true. That still means Nak was using LI tactics to rip people off, which makes LI a fellow scamster.

 

[GracieMMABarra]

Ryan Hall discussions remind me of the old Sherdog days