best wrestlers (in the world) are gonna get beat in Future UFC/MMA WRESTLING IS NOT BEST MMA BASE

[Cole train]

 

[ImLovinIt]

Already been proven by GSP. He has outwrestled all his opponents whom were wrestlers.

 

[-guerilla-]

i just gave the opinion on the fact that you called rory unsuccesful.

on sherdog only being the goat can be considered succesful when most mma guys dont even make it in the ufc lol

they will move the goal post of "success" every time you hit it

he said I was not a wrestling coach

when i found out i was and am he said i was an unsuccessful coach

when he found out I scored the most points in school history he said my region sucked

when he found out that I am a coach in MMA and Wrestling he said none of my fighters made it into the UFC or won a gold medal so Im an incompetence coach

# shuck and jive

D1 wrestler doesn't talk about wrestling very much

 

[-guerilla-]

you are arguing multiple different things that you can't keep straight. In the other thread your argument was that khabib is specifically a freestyle wrestler. He's not, he's a grappler who primarily trained in sambo and has no actual freestyle/international competition records. So yes people are using him as having a wrestling/grappling background, but he is not a freestyle wrestler.

What makes someone a "wrestler"

how exactly do you disqualify khabib as a wrestler?

no competition history??

so Bruce LEE was not a REAL fighter [because he never competed]

YET

Jean Claude Van Damme is...[because he competed]

By your perverted logic Jean Claude is "legit" and Bruce Lee is not!!

 

[-guerilla-]

Cejudo spent the nearly all of his life wrestling folkstyle, he didn't transition to freestyle until after highschool, he trained freestyle full time for only 2 years from 2006-2008, he won golds in '08 then retired from wrestling. If you actually ever watch his freestyle matches, he wrestlers in a nearly pure folkstyle manner with collar ties and basic single shots, he never goes upper body or looks for throws.

Stipe, Jones, Usman, and Henry are all elite folkstyle wrestlers.

LOL

only ONE of the CURRENT UFC champs was good enough to even qualify for the Olympics in wrestling

Stipe, Jones, Usman...NOT ELITE WRESTLERS, good wrestlers but not good enough to even win pan Americas

NCAA div 1 athletes USUALLY GET DESTROYED IN INTERNATIONAL wrestling COMPETITION !!!

Thats why they are good at MMA....did not spend too much time in wrestling and developed more important MMA skills!

Cejudo is actually a boxer...thats why he is so good at MMA

not just a wrestler

 

[Erratic]

Nah, dude. Karelin, one of the most beastly wrestlers of all time, would definitely lose to a guy in Walmart basketball shorts who gasses in seconds from throwing sloppy haymakers.

Looks like Mescaline Dreams' delusions of ko'ing Leben isn't the worst thing a Sherdog poster has claimed.

LMAO please tell me that a sherdogger didnt claim they could KO Leben who had one of the best chins going? Hahaha. this fucking forum is hilarious. This OP claims he could beat Karelin, and another guy claims he could KO Leben? ROFL Sherdog gunna' Sherdog

 

[-guerilla-]

LMAO please tell me that a sherdogger didnt claim they could KO Leben who had one of the best chins going? Hahaha. this fucking forum is hilarious. In one week I've read someone say they hit 2-3 times harder than Costa and they are only 10 pounds heavier and that they could beat him in 1 minute, this OP claims he could beat Karelin, and another guy claims he could KO Leben? ROFL Sherdog gunna' Sherdog

meanwhile you [with zero verifiable background] tells us we are all wrong

anybody could beat Karelin in MMA

he is terrible at mma BECAUSE HES THE BEST wrestler in the world!!!

all the BEST WRESTLERS would lose in MMA because they are JUST WRESTLERS....THEY NEVER CROSS TRAINED ENOUGH BECAUSE they focused on wrestling

THATS WHY THEY ARE THE BEST WRESTLERS IN THE WORLD....

 

[vgff]

The sport is evolving

UFC and other American mma promotions are doing everything in their power to advantage the American wrestler because they want "all american champs" so they can sell swag to the fake wrestling NASCAR fanboys [smart business]

Wrestlers have lots of terrible habits that leave them vulnerable to good knee artists and the best submission guys

the most accomplished wrestlers are NEVER gonna be that good in mma and just get "fluffed" up for the slack jawed fanboys

These athletes have spent so many years learning to perfect their "sport grappling" they are ultra specialists

[just like SPORT BJJ guys]

profit minded gym owners push the fallacy that training in 5 different martial arts / sports = the ultimate mix for MMA

The fact IS specialists are getting pushed out of MMA

Wrestlers days are numbered

Just like the BJJ days of yore...lol

wonder when we will actually have MMA training in the USA

NOT

Muay thai + BJJ + wrestling = MMA

there are a lot of wrestlers who are simply holding on the the underbelly of MMA as their sport is slowly absorbed

desperately clinging on to MMA for relavance

the bad news is....

the ride is gonna get tougher!!!

the sport is evolving, but that doesn't mean a wrestling base as the optimal starting point for a mma fighter is over and done with forever.
i think it will come and go in waves/cycles.
it's no secret that a lot of the champs in MMA had wrestling as a base to build on. DC, Khabib, Usman, Cejudo, etc.
but, we've also seen champions with a striking base, like Anderson Silva, Joanna, Conor McGregor, Adesanya.
wrestling days aren't numbered any more than strikers days are numbered.
it will probably continue to shift back and forth.
when everybody comes from a wrestling background, the edge will be in having more of a striking background, and vice versa

 

[-guerilla-]

Heavyweight Stipe Miocic Aug 17, 2019 0
Light Heavyweight Jon Jones Dec 29, 2018 2
Middleweight Robert Whittaker Dec 7, 2017 0
Israel Adesanya (Interim Champion) Apr 13, 2019 0
Welterweight Kamaru Usman Mar 2, 2019 0
Lightweight Khabib Nurmagomedov Apr 7, 2018 2
Featherweight Max Holloway Jun 3, 2017 3
Bantamweight Henry Cejudo Jun 8, 2019 0

only ONE MAN on this list even qualified for the pan american games!!!!

there is only ONE ELITE WRESTLER LEFT IN THE UFC CHAMPIONS LIST!!!!!

 

[Erratic]

heres a look at our club 10+ years after founding in our last days at the community center

I am working with my old friend Andrew [one of our members from the ol' kickboxing days]

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[-guerilla-]

the sport is evolving, but that doesn't mean a wrestling base as the optimal starting point for a mma fighter is over and done with forever.
i think it will come and go in waves/cycles.
it's no secret that a lot of the champs in MMA had wrestling as a base to build on. DC, Khabib, Usman, Cejudo, etc.
but, we've also seen champions with a striking base, like Anderson Silva, Joanna, Conor McGregor, Adesanya.
wrestling days aren't numbered any more than strikers days are numbered.
it will probably continue to shift back and forth

You have an excellent point however the days of ANY SPECIALISTS will disappear and we will have only MMA from the ground up

Look at any "new" sport

its participants will always be from other sports that were previously established

as rugby takes off in the states people will one day say football is the best base for rugby because most of the best rugby players will be from football backgrounds

Say that to an Australian and they will call you and Idiot because RUGBY IS THE BEST BASE FOR RUGBY, Everybody knows that!

We just dont have many pure rugby athletes in the states so they will be mostly football players until the sport matures

 

[Erratic]

This is the same derp that you derpers have been derping since the derping of derp.

First off--The most fundamental changes to the sport of MMA have all disadvantaged wrestlers more than other disciplines. Imagine an MMA fight with

1) No Gloves
2) No time limits
3) No rounds

Without those changes, 80% of MMA fights would be 29 minute grapple fucks where the wrestler humped whomever into oblivion. The 12 fights on the card would take a weekend to finish instead of 4-5 hours and they would probably get watched by about 9 people.

Even with those changes, wrestlers still disproportionately hold the titles and elite spots. There will always be champions and top fighters from other disciplines of course. But wrestling will continue to produce more of the top fighters and champs for the foreseeable future. The 'new breed' experiment has been over for a while now.

No knees on the ground either buddy, imagine wrestlers like Khabib pinning people down and Kneeing them in the face.. im sure you said this earlier in the thread but just repeating as its something that saves alot of fighters alot of pain when they are not getting Knee'd and headbutted when pinned down

 

[Erratic]

meanwhile you [with zero verifiable background] tells us we are all wrong

anybody could beat Karelin in MMA

he is terrible at mma BECAUSE HES THE BEST wrestler in the world!!!

all the BEST WRESTLERS would lose in MMA because they are JUST WRESTLERS....THEY NEVER CROSS TRAINED ENOUGH BECAUSE they focused on wrestling

THATS WHY THEY ARE THE BEST WRESTLERS IN THE WORLD....

"Anybody could beat Karelin in MMA"

But not you, you delusional bum, he would seriously rip your head off, hes got freak of nature like strength.

I myself would bounce your head clean off the canvas, never mind a real legit pro fighter or a monster like Karelin

 

[-guerilla-]

No knees on the ground either buddy, imagine wrestlers like Khabib pinning people down and Kneeing them in the face.. im sure you said this earlier in the thread but just repeating as its something that saves alot of fighters alot of pain when they are not getting Knee'd and headbutted when pinned down

LIKE THIS

 

[vgff]

You have an excellent point however the days of ANY SPECIALISTS will disappear and we will have only MMA from the ground up

Look at any "new" sport

its participants will always be from other sports that were previously established

as rugby takes off in the states people will one day say football is the best base for rugby because most of the best rugby players will be from football backgrounds

Say that to an Australian and they will call you and Idiot because RUGBY IS THE BEST BASE FOR RUGBY, Everybody knows that!

We just dont have many pure rugby athletes in the states so they will be mostly football players until the sport matures

if you're talking about specialists as in guys like Royce Gracie who knew BJJ and absolutely nothing else, then i agree.
these days you have to know at least something about everything.
still, a lot of fighters these days have expertise in one area while having a basic set of skills in the other areas.

 

[-guerilla-]

"Anybody could beat Karelin in MMA"

But not you, you delusional bum, he would seriously rip your head off, hes got freak of nature like strength.

I myself would bounce your head clean off the canvas, never mind a real legit pro fighter or a monster like Karelin

do you actually have ANY background in MMA or are you just a fake wrasslin fanboi football hooligan?

 

[I WILL CUT YOU]

LMAO please tell me that a sherdogger didnt claim they could KO Leben who had one of the best chins going? Hahaha. this fucking forum is hilarious. This OP claims he could beat Karelin, and another guy claims he could KO Leben? ROFL Sherdog gunna' Sherdog

Notorious Conortard Mescaline Dreams said he would KO Leben.

 

[-guerilla-]

if you're talking about specialists as in guys like Royce Gracie who knew BJJ and absolutely nothing else, then i agree.
these days you have to know at least something about everything.
still, a lot of fighters these days have expertise in one area while having a basic set of skills in the other areas.

I agree, however we see specialists slowly but certainly disappearing and elite wrestlers are fewer in number than they have ever been in the sport [notice they dont dominate any other countries MMA]

This thread is about how cross training is important and specializing in one sport [other than MMA] is a detriment

Most fanboys ACTUALLY BELIEVE that wrestling is the best base for MMA

How come there isn't a wrestling gym in every town in America like BJJ?

 

[vgff]

How come there isn't a wrestling gym in every town in America like BJJ?

because there's wrestling programs in high school and wrestling scholarships in college?

 

[Reffson]

Wrestling was NEVER the best base. The fact UFC changed their rules to help them is one example. Even after the change, wrestlers got wasted vs Fedor and Big Nog back in the day because taking them down yielded no fruit.