best wrestlers (in the world) are gonna get beat in Future UFC/MMA WRESTLING IS NOT BEST MMA BASE

[Ghostoftheville]

just learn to grapple enough to get out of inferior positions

most fights are won by strikesstrike
look at all these elite wrestlers losing to strikes today

DC/ Askern

Both fighters mentioned lost to fighters with their own background being wrestling. Arguing that a one dimensional fighter will lose to a multifaceted fighter isn't a hot take, this has been proven since at least Frank Shamrock

 

[Cole train]

If mma is the best base for mma why are wrestlers still dominating kids who grew up training all aspects of mma? Why has no kid from your mma school made it to the ufc yet Usman and cejudo with a few years training are champs? Why was rory so unsuccessful yet wrestler gsp so successful?

You cant really call rory unsuccesful because he was top 10 in the world

If top 10 in the world is not succesful then what is

Gsp is goat level and a guy like that could have ballet as his background and still become a champ lol

(I agree about the wrestling background thing though)

 

[cooks1]

The sport is evolving

UFC and other American mma promotions are doing everything in their power to advantage the American wrestler because they want "all american champs" so they can sell swag to the fake wrestling NASCAR fanboys [smart business]

Wrestlers have lots of terrible habits that leave them vulnerable to good knee artists and the best submission guys

the most accomplished wrestlers are NEVER gonna be that good in mma and just get "fluffed" up for the slack jawed fanboys

These athletes have spent so many years learning to perfect their "sport grappling" they are ultra specialists

[just like SPORT BJJ guys]

profit minded gym owners push the fallacy that training in 5 different martial arts / sports = the ultimate mix for MMA

The fact IS specialists are getting pushed out of MMA

Wrestlers days are numbered

Just like the BJJ days of yore...lol

wonder when we will actually have MMA training in the USA

NOT

Muay thai + BJJ + wrestling = MMA

there are a lot of wrestlers who are simply holding on the the underbelly of MMA as their sport is slowly absorbed

desperately clinging on to MMA for relavance

the bad news is....

the ride is gonna get tougher!!!

This is the same derp that you derpers have been derping since the derping of derp.

First off--The most fundamental changes to the sport of MMA have all disadvantaged wrestlers more than other disciplines. Imagine an MMA fight with

1) No Gloves
2) No time limits
3) No rounds

Without those changes, 80% of MMA fights would be 29 minute grapple fucks where the wrestler humped whomever into oblivion. The 12 fights on the card would take a weekend to finish instead of 4-5 hours and they would probably get watched by about 9 people.

Even with those changes, wrestlers still disproportionately hold the titles and elite spots. There will always be champions and top fighters from other disciplines of course. But wrestling will continue to produce more of the top fighters and champs for the foreseeable future. The 'new breed' experiment has been over for a while now.

 

[-guerilla-]

If mma is the best base for mma why are wrestlers still dominating kids who grew up training all aspects of mma? Why has no kid from your mma school made it to the ufc yet Usman and cejudo with a few years training are champs? Why was rory so unsuccessful yet wrestler gsp so successful?

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/the-real-reason-wrestlers-dominate-the-ufc-american-mma.3959991/

 

[-guerilla-]

I have still not seen you school me in a single post.
But keep trying.

I am the one getting mad when you keep name calling people and claim everybody that disagree with you for strip mall martial artist...

You claim a background that is not true.

I understand that this is hard to grasp for you.

Name one aspect of my background that is not true

[interrogation continues as a way to avoid the topic he know nothing about]!

 

[-guerilla-]

This is the same derp that you derpers have been derping since the derping of derp.

First off--The most fundamental changes to the sport of MMA have all disadvantaged wrestlers more than other disciplines. Imagine an MMA fight with

1) No Gloves
2) No time limits
3) No rounds

Without those changes, 80% of MMA fights would be 29 minute grapple fucks where the wrestler humped whomever into oblivion. The 12 fights on the card would take a weekend to finish instead of 4-5 hours and they would probably get watched by about 9 people.

Even with those changes, wrestlers still disproportionately hold the titles and elite spots. There will always be champions and top fighters from other disciplines of course. But wrestling will continue to produce more of the top fighters and champs for the foreseeable future. The 'new breed' experiment has been over for a while now.

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/the-real-reason-wrestlers-dominate-the-ufc-american-mma.3959991/

 

[-guerilla-]

You cant really call rory unsuccesful because he was top 10 in the world

If top 10 in the world is not succesful then what is

Gsp is goat level and a guy like that could have ballet as his background and still become a champ lol

(I agree about the wrestling background thing though)

98% MMA FIGHTERS HAVE SOME WRESTLING IN THEIR BACKGROUND SOMEWHERE and thus will be claimed by the wrestling fanbois

the same people who tried so hard to disqualify khabib as a wrestler in my freestyle vs fokestyle thread will try to CLAIM him AS A WRESTLER when arguing in another of my threads...LOL

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...tes-in-ufc-and-wrestling-competition.4006389/

that does not confirm wrestling as the worlds greatest martial art, ITS JUST AMERICAS only publicly funded combat sport

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/the-real-reason-wrestlers-dominate-the-ufc-american-mma.3959991/

 

[-guerilla-]

TS is a moron and a liar.

LOL

but cant give 1 example

# knows nothing

 

[D 1 Wrestler]

You cant really call rory unsuccesful because he was top 10 in the world

If top 10 in the world is not succesful then what is

Gsp is goat level and a guy like that could have ballet as his background and still become a champ lol

(I agree about the wrestling background thing though)

top 10 training completely in MMA, no set background. Yet Usman, Colby, Woodley, Cejudo, etc. are/were #1 in the world with wrestling specific base

 

[-guerilla-]

Not even that. Just a bunch of knuckleheads who did some gym sparring. Nothing special. There was plenty of this in the 90s

# not legitimate as a club because we were not commercial
# american stripmal legitimacy

 

[-guerilla-]

top 10 training completely in MMA, no set background. Yet Usman, Colby, Woodley, Cejudo, etc. are/were #1 in the world with wrestling specific base

Heavyweight Stipe Miocic Aug 17, 2019 0
Light Heavyweight Jon Jones Dec 29, 2018 2
Middleweight Robert Whittaker Dec 7, 2017 0
Israel Adesanya (Interim Champion) Apr 13, 2019 0
Welterweight Kamaru Usman Mar 2, 2019 0
Lightweight Khabib Nurmagomedov Apr 7, 2018 2
Featherweight Max Holloway Jun 3, 2017 3
Bantamweight Henry Cejudo Jun 8, 2019 0

ONE GOLD MEDALIST IN THIS LIST and he has spent the majority of his career training in FREESTYLE!!!!

ONLY ONE ELITE WRESTLER ON THIS LIST!!!

WRESTLING IS NOT THE BEST BASE FOR MMA and FOLKSTYLE is less effective than freestyle!!

 

[-guerilla-]

top 10 training completely in MMA, no set background. Yet Usman, Colby, Woodley, Cejudo, etc. are/were #1 in the world with wrestling specific base

cant find many MMA CHAMPS in this list

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Division_I_Wrestling_Championships

 

[Cole train]

top 10 training completely in MMA, no set background. Yet Usman, Colby, Woodley, Cejudo, etc. are/were #1 in the world with wrestling specific base

i just gave the opinion on the fact that you called rory unsuccesful.

on sherdog only being the goat can be considered succesful when most mma guys dont even make it in the ufc lol

 

[D 1 Wrestler]

98% MMA FIGHTERS HAVE SOME WRESTLING IN THEIR BACKGROUND SOMEWHERE and thus will be claimed by the wrestling fanbois

the same people who tried so hard to disqualify khabib as a wrestler in my freestyle vs fokestyle thread will try to CLAIM him AS A WRESTLER when arguing in another of my threads...LOL

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...tes-in-ufc-and-wrestling-competition.4006389/

that does not confirm wrestling as the worlds greatest martial art, ITS JUST AMERICAS only publicly funded combat sport

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/the-real-reason-wrestlers-dominate-the-ufc-american-mma.3959991/

you are arguing multiple different things that you can't keep straight. In the other thread your argument was that khabib is specifically a freestyle wrestler. He's not, he's a grappler who primarily trained in sambo and has no actual freestyle/international competition records. So yes people are using him as having a wrestling/grappling background, but he is not a freestyle wrestler.

 

[lsa]

Name one aspect of my background that is not true

[interrogation continues as a way to avoid the topic he know nothing about]!

You are not a founder of MMA in the USA,

YOU brought up YOUR background
If YOU dont want to talk about it dont bring it up...

I told you I wont discuss wrestling before YOU respond to my post where I exposed you in your other thread...

 

[D 1 Wrestler]

cant find many MMA CHAMPS in this list

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Division_I_Wrestling_Championships

great list, now list how many of them transitioned to MMA?

The list of NCAA champs who transitioned to MMA is small

 

[D 1 Wrestler]

Heavyweight Stipe Miocic Aug 17, 2019 0
Light Heavyweight Jon Jones Dec 29, 2018 2
Middleweight Robert Whittaker Dec 7, 2017 0
Israel Adesanya (Interim Champion) Apr 13, 2019 0
Welterweight Kamaru Usman Mar 2, 2019 0
Lightweight Khabib Nurmagomedov Apr 7, 2018 2
Featherweight Max Holloway Jun 3, 2017 3
Bantamweight Henry Cejudo Jun 8, 2019 0

ONE GOLD MEDALIST IN THIS LIST and he has spent the majority of his career training in FREESTYLE!!!!

ONLY ONE ELITE WRESTLER ON THIS LIST!!!

WRESTLING IS NOT THE BEST BASE FOR MMA and FOLKSTYLE is less effective than freestyle!!

Cejudo spent the nearly all of his life wrestling folkstyle, he didn't transition to freestyle until after highschool, he trained freestyle full time for only 2 years from 2006-2008, he won golds in '08 then retired from wrestling. If you actually ever watch his freestyle matches, he wrestlers in a nearly pure folkstyle manner with collar ties and basic single shots, he never goes upper body or looks for throws.

Stipe, Jones, Usman, and Henry are all elite folkstyle wrestlers.

 

[Cowboyletsgo]

i just gave the opinion on the fact that you called rory unsuccesful.

on sherdog only being the goat can be considered succesful when most mma guys dont even make it in the ufc lol

Tuivasa and Till are proof that even the biggest noobs could make it into the UFC.

 

[Cole train]

Tuivasa and Till are proof that even the biggest noobs could make it into the UFC.

they are still better than 90 percent of the guys out there,which makes them succesful,

 

[Cowboyletsgo]

they are still better than 90 percent of the guys out there,which makes them succesful,