best wrestlers (in the world) are gonna get beat in Future UFC/MMA WRESTLING IS NOT BEST MMA BASE

[gotBooched]

at one time they did say BJJ is the best base for MMA

Yes, and then wrestlers came in and virtually neutralized it.

What neutralizes wrestling?

 

[MartinGibson86]

A lot of people get mixed up about the situation when fighting in soccer kick MMA

it's not a question of whether or not your opponent is grounded and thus you cannot kick or knee them

it's a question of whether or not you have the confidence to throw those kinds of strikes as your opponent is trying to take you down

The fact is in a real-world scenario it is very difficult to tell if your opponent is truly down or not as he scrambles for his takedown

if he has a knee on the ground he is considered down and thus you cannot kick or knee him in American MMA

If fighter lacks the confidence to throw those kinds of techniques at an incoming wrestler the wrestler is WILDLY advantaged



Here Michigan wrestling head coach Sean Bormet gets a taste of international soccer kick MMA as his opponent has the confidence to throw kicks that an incoming wrestler without worry of the DQ

Bormet is substantially smaller than Wand.

 

[-guerilla-]

Yes, and then wrestlers came in and virtually neutralized it.

What neutralizes wrestling?

MMA

 

[-guerilla-]

Bormet is substantially smaller than Wand.

Maybee a bit,

and considerably more kicked in the face

 

[-guerilla-]

 

[-guerilla-]

UFC blocking Pride videos

Classic, buy the competition garbage

These examples were from cro cops fight with Randleman and Coleman as he used a sprawl and knee/ kick combo to keep Randleman and Coleman from being able to effectively take him down

You could see Coleman and Randleman bailing out of their takedown attempts as soon as Cro Cop stepped up for the kick

he could never do this under American rules because it's impossible to tell if a wrestler is down or not while they're changing levels so the striker won't dare throw a knee or a kick since they could be dq'd

 

[FKA]

The sport is evolving

UFC and other American mma promotions are doing everything in their power to advantage the American wrestler because they want "all american champs" so they can sell swag to the fake wrestling NASCAR fanboys [smart business]

Wrestlers have lots of terrible habits that leave them vulnerable to good knee artists and the best submission guys

the most accomplished wrestlers are NEVER gonna be that good in mma and just get "fluffed" up for the slack jawed fanboys

These athletes have spent so many years learning to perfect their "sport grappling" they are ultra specialists

[just like SPORT BJJ guys]

profit minded gym owners push the fallacy that training in 5 different martial arts / sports = the ultimate mix for MMA

The fact IS specialists are getting pushed out of MMA

Wrestlers days are numbered

Just like the BJJ days of yore...lol

wonder when we will actually have MMA training in the USA

NOT

Muay thai + BJJ + wrestling = MMA

there are a lot of wrestlers who are simply holding on the the underbelly of MMA as their sport is slowly absorbed

desperately clinging on to MMA for relavance

the bad news is....

the ride is gonna get tougher!!!

@gono btw

Is this thread foreshadowing????

 

[kingmob6]

Y'all are wrong, wrestling is good, but there is a new king that is going to sweep the MMA world

 

[-guerilla-]

@gono btw

Is this thread foreshadowing????

All my threads predict the future

Its easy if you understand the past

 

[Booksmasher]

the most accomplished wrestlers are NEVER gonna be that good in mma and just get "fluffed" up for the slack jawed fanboys

Nonsense. Jon Jones, Cormier, Romero, Khabib, Cejudo, etc etc etc

The fact IS specialists are getting pushed out of MMA. Wrestlers days are numbered

The problem starts if you ONLY can wrestle, not wrestling itself. Wrestling is the important foundation of fighting. Some fighters can ONLY wrestle, and if you can only wrestle you are going to be a boring Lay and Prayer who cant finish fights, like Colby and Usman.

 

[zeli_papa]

Cejudo is a double champ.
Khabib champ.
Usman champ.
Jones champ.
DC Champ.

Don't forget that Cejudo is also a gold medalist!

 

[-guerilla-]

Nonsense. Jon Jones, Cormier, Romero, Khabib, Cejudo, etc etc etc



The problem starts if you ONLY can wrestle, not wrestling itself. Wrestling is the important foundation of fighting. Some fighters can ONLY wrestle, and if you can only wrestle you are going to be a boring Lay and Prayer who cant finish fights, like Colby and Usman.

Nonsense. Jon Jones, Cormier, Romero, Khabib, Cejudo, etc etc etc



The problem starts if you ONLY can wrestle, not wrestling itself. Wrestling is the important foundation of fighting. Some fighters can ONLY wrestle, and if you can only wrestle you are going to be a boring Lay and Prayer who cant finish fights, like Colby and Usman.

none of those guys are the best wrestlers in the world

a matter of fact the Americans you listed aren't even the best wrestlers in the United States

except maybe cejudo

the point is wrestling as a specialty is going to become less and less relevant as people get better and better at MMA

The sport is still in its infancy

didn't you all learn anything from watching the BJJ dominance fall apart

it's totally understandable to see what's in front of you and assume that's the best in the world

it's just the best you're exposed to

remember there are more talented wrestlers in Japan per capita than there are in the United States yet wrestlers don't dominate their MMA [ because they have public gyms in Japan and Asia unlike United States for martial arts]

wrestling is not the best base for MMA it's the best thing we have in America and so it dominates the American tournaments especially when they do their best to keep International wrestlers out of the UFC

 

[tyrone8934]

none of those guys are the best wrestlers in the world

a matter of fact the Americans you listed aren't even the best wrestlers in the United States

except maybe cejudo

the point is wrestling as a specialty is going to become less and less relevant as people get better and better at MMA

The sport is still in its infancy

didn't you all learn anything from watching the BJJ dominance fall apart

it's totally understandable to see what's in front of you and assume that's the best in the world

it's just the best you're exposed to

remember there are more talented wrestlers in Japan per capita than there are in the United States yet wrestlers don't dominate their MMA [ because they have public gyms in Japan and Asia unlike United States for martial arts]

wrestling is not the best base for MMA it's the best thing we have in America and so it dominates the American tournaments especially when they do their best to keep International wrestlers out of the UFC

A very smart fella named Corningin Christianburg already debunked one of your arguments, but I'll repeat his rebuttal since you just don't get it.

This is YOUR claim paraphrased. "MMA pays much more than wrestling. The best wrestlers in the world don't come over to MMA. Therefore, they must think they'd suck at MMA. Therefore, wrestling is not the best base for MMA." The problem is, you have no evidence to back up your 3rd statement. There could be many reasons why wrestlers don't do MMA. Maybe they don't want brain damage; maybe they love wrestling more; maybe they don't want to learn striking defense; maybe they want to keep being Olympians; etc.

I'm not even saying that wrestling is the best base for MMA. I'm just pointing out how bad your reasoning is.

 

[Hematom]

The sport is evolving

UFC and other American mma promotions are doing everything in their power to advantage the American wrestler because they want "all american champs" so they can sell swag to the fake wrestling NASCAR fanboys [smart business]

Wrestlers have lots of terrible habits that leave them vulnerable to good knee artists and the best submission guys

the most accomplished wrestlers are NEVER gonna be that good in mma and just get "fluffed" up for the slack jawed fanboys

These athletes have spent so many years learning to perfect their "sport grappling" they are ultra specialists

[just like SPORT BJJ guys]

profit minded gym owners push the fallacy that training in 5 different martial arts / sports = the ultimate mix for MMA

The fact IS specialists are getting pushed out of MMA

Wrestlers days are numbered

Just like the BJJ days of yore...lol

wonder when we will actually have MMA training in the USA

NOT

Muay thai + BJJ + wrestling = MMA

there are a lot of wrestlers who are simply holding on the the underbelly of MMA as their sport is slowly absorbed

desperately clinging on to MMA for relavance

the bad news is....

the ride is gonna get tougher!!!

The best base for MMA is Krav Maga. Nothing come even close.

 

[-guerilla-]

A very smart fella named Corningin Christianburg already debunked one of your arguments, but I'll repeat his rebuttal since you just don't get it.

This is YOUR claim paraphrased. "MMA pays much more than wrestling. The best wrestlers in the world don't come over to MMA. Therefore, they must think they'd suck at MMA. Therefore, wrestling is not the best base for MMA." The problem is, you have no evidence to back up your 3rd statement. There could be many reasons why wrestlers don't do MMA. Maybe they don't want brain damage; maybe they love wrestling more; maybe they don't want to learn striking defense; maybe they want to keep being Olympians; etc.

I'm not even saying that wrestling is the best base for MMA. I'm just pointing out how bad your reasoning is.

Why don't you use the quote option and see what I really said...

then I will correct you

Top level Elite wrestlers in the rest of the world are paid handsomely to concentrate on the sport of wrestling

the hardest-working and most successful American wrestler finds his sport completely obsolete after college and is thus forced to find another sport that is practice internationally to convert to

 

[-guerilla-]

The best base for MMA is Krav Maga. Nothing come even close.

You're correct

if Krav Maga or combat sambo (military combat styles)
were publicly funded in the Public School Systems you wouldn't see many wrestlers in MMA

Wrestling is actually a pretty poor style for MMA it's just all we have that is State supported through the public school systems thus it dominates American MMA

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/the-real-reason-wrestlers-dominate-the-ufc-american-mma.3959991/

 

[vindaloo]

only certain wrestlers do well in mma though, unless you are also a talented sub artist or striker or both you aren't going to get very far on pure wrestling.

 

[-guerilla-]

only certain wrestlers do well in mma though, unless you are also a talented sub artist or striker or both you aren't going to get very far on pure wrestling.

Especially today we can see all the best wrestlers in MMA are never the best wrestlers in the sport of wrestling

it's truly a story of over specialization naturally the thread should be a no-brainer but there are still people out there dumb enough to think that wrestling is the best base for MMA simply because they see wrestlers winning on their TV at the moment

 

[tramendous]

well all you said is irrelevant since wrestling is the best base for mma and will continue to be so.
wrestling > all other combat sports

best base and best combat sport isn't the same thing.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Yes, and then wrestlers came in and virtually neutralized it.

What neutralizes wrestling?

We see wrestling neutralised all the time in MMA, indeed guys who win mostly via wrestling have been a rare thing for a very long time. Ironically the obvious excpetions are Khabib and Maia(and before them GSP) who don't have a standard wrestling background.