Best female champion ever?

[Eater of Souls]

Dude literally everybody says that 145 isn't even a divison. How are u mad at me for not counting a division that doesn't even have 3 fighters in it. You sound crazy

Everybody says = if all the other kids jumped off a bridge. Sorry expecting rationality makes me somehow insane. This sort of stupidity is only possible on the internet.

You are the lunatic that goes all over the board bashing fighters who are not Shevchenko, and you question the sanity of someone else? Seek help.

 

[HaulParris]

Roxy is the People's Champ

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

Dude literally everybody says that 145 isn't even a divison. How are u mad at me for not counting a division that doesn't even have 3 fighters in it. You sound crazy

Here's the problem with the bias, and hopefully you can see why people are looking at you the same way:

Is Nicco Montano better than Germaine Da Randamie? They have the same number of defenses, so that's about equal, but you said 145 isn't a division, so that gives Nicco a plus. Also, she's 1-0 in title fights, as opposed to 1-1 for GDR. Add those together and she's a much better champion.

Problems here is it's more than just numbers, it matters who you beat. And also, why should the defense matter more than the actual winning the belt? You're purposefully deselecting that from the record. Nicco beat Roxy for her belt, GDR beat Holly. You can throw out the FW division, sure, but you don't chuck the baby with the bath water. Your inclination to both ignore the title win AND featherweight makes the Cyborg fight null and void, when it's one of the more important title wins across women's MMA. Even if the FW challengers are awful, beating Tate, Rousey, Shevchenko, Rocky, Holm, Cyborg, GDR, Spencer, Anderson, and Peña is better than beating Joanna, Eye, Carmouche, Chookagian, Maia, Andrade, Murphy, and Santos, and it's not even a question.

If you were to sit here and talk about how you think Val is better P4P, or how Val should have won the second fight, yeah, I get it. I'm mostly there too. But trying to downplay the championship accomplishments of Nunes vs Val is being willfully obtuse.

 

[Poatan Power]

I think i have irrational hate for Ronda as i don't give her the same credit most of these other woman deserve. She does deserve acknowledgement for being ahead of her time i suppose.

Some acknowledgement? lol

Yeah, you're not being rational. Her hype machine was overwhelming and annoying, but she sliced through the other women in MMA like hot butter.

 

[Marko Atanasovik]

None even close to Nunes.

Nunes has 8 title defenses I think.

Resume: Cris Cyborg, Miesha Tate, Valentina Shevchenko x2, Holly Holm, Ronda Rousey, Germaine de Randamie...

 

[rearnakedchoke]

Amanda at the top of the heap and it isn’t even close.

Ronda and Val are close for two

Joanna number 4

 

[FloydMayweatherMMA]

UFC's W125 division is as old as UFC's W125 division.

Lmfao my bad.

Although I'm technically not wrong

 

[Busgosu]

Cyborg, and it's not even close

 

[Exarch01]

She was roided to the gills, doing dodgy shit with scales, fighting way smaller girls, and getting UFC BWs to fatten up to fight in a division that the UFC built just for her.

She beat a BW brought in from from another org to win the UFC FW title. Literally all of her 5 fights in the UFC before Nunes flattened her were against career BWs. Even Nunes had only been a BW until then. Spencer was the first career FW she fought in the UFC, after which she bailed and went off to Bellator, where she now fights cans.

So, yeh, you don't have to consider her lol.

You're so cool and edgy when you bash fighters. Keep going, never change.

 

[ninja boot]

Some acknowledgement? lol

Yeah, you're not being rational. Her hype machine was overwhelming and annoying, but she sliced through the other women in MMA like hot butter.

But was it more of a product of the times than her being the phenomenon they UFC promoted her as. The TUF season she coached was a great example of the timing of wmma's evolution. The favourites ended up being washed up and the actual competitors like Juliana Pena emerged.
Not to mention, It would benefit the launch of the UFC's new wmma division to have their new superstar having 20 second wins against woman that weren't even training full time right?

 

[Bork Neslar]

Ron DeRousey.

 

[Pilo]

Anyone but Julianna Pena

 

['Rocky']

Lucia Rijker is easily #1.

 

[sfer1]

None even close to Nunes.

Nunes has 8 title defenses I think.

Resume: Cris Cyborg, Miesha Tate, Valentina Shevchenko x2, Holly Holm, Ronda Rousey, Germaine de Randamie...

We all know Valentina won the second fight even though she didn't cut any weight at all to fight at 135 and Nunes wallks around at 165-175 lbs according to Nina. If the were the same size, Valentina would beat Amanda 10 out of 10 times.

 

[xhaydenx]

You're so cool and edgy when you bash fighters. Keep going, never change.

Listing facts is fighting bashing now? Literally everything I said was true. Anyone who has followed Cyborg's and her opponent's careers know this.

 

[Exarch01]

Listing facts is fighting bashing now? Literally everything I said was true. Anyone who has followed Cyborg's and her opponent's careers know this.

I followed her career, so you're wrong.

Yeah it's bashing when you're thinking up creative ways to discredit someone when the mature thing to do is acknowledge what's happened.

 

[blaseblase]

We all know Valentina won the second fight

No, we don't all know that. MMA media scored it pretty evenly for both sides. It was a close fight that Nunes won and Val stans keep retroactively trying to pretend was a robbery.

Blame Valentina for playing it safe and not taking any risks. That's what cost her the fight.

 

[sfer1]

No, we don't all know that. MMA media scored it pretty evenly for both sides. It was a close fight that Nunes won and Val stans keep retroactively trying to pretend was a robbery.

Blame Valentina for playing it safe and not taking any risks. That's what cost her the fight.

Are you blaming the much smaller fighter for "not taking any risks"? Nunes walks around 30-40 lbs heavier than Valentina. The fact that she was willing to face Holly and Amanda, two women who probably had 20 lbs on her on fight night, tells Valentina was taking more risks than anyone else in the division.

 

[xhaydenx]

I followed her career, so you're wrong.

Yeah it's bashing when you're thinking up creative ways to discredit someone when the mature thing to do is acknowledge what's happened.

I'm not being creative about anything. If you've followed her career then explain how I'm wrong about the following:

She was roided.

She had been fighting way smaller girls. Leading up to her getting busted for roids, she needed 3 catchweights, and in one of them she missed weight completely. She was clearly bigger than all of them, which is expected as she was roided up.

She missed weight by 7 pounds against Akano. Then got herself a little private weigh in where the only difference was she took off her bikini and suddenly weighed 6 pounds less and was on weight. Sorry, but anyone who believes taking off a bikini will shed 6 pounds is a complete and utter moron. Akano's team made her weigh-in again while everyone was around and all of a sudden the 6 pounds was back on. If that's not dodgy scale shit, then I don't know what is.

The UFC FW division was created for her.

In the UFC, she did fight career BWs up until she fought Spencer. All of them were either BWs in their previous fight or had done most of their career at BW. I was wrong about it being all of them in this case, as Lina fought FW right before fighting Borg. However, this was her FW debut against a nobody, and she needed a catchweight to fight Cyborg right after. If you include Lina, which you should, it comes to 6, not 5, as Nunes was a BW up until that point too. Spencer is the only girl who had fought only at FW or higher. This stuff takes 30 seconds to see with a google search.

Tonya was a BW from Invicta that was brought in and fattened up so Borg could have someone to beat win the title against. So, she literally did win the FW belt fighting a career BW champ from another org.

She did leave and go fight cans. Sorry, but girls like Leslie (12-9), Arlene (15-10), and Sinead (9-5) are not good fighters. The only decent one she's fought is Budd, who is only really good at the lower levels anyway.

None of the above is fighter bashing. That's literally acknowledging what happened.

 

[Eater of Souls]

Listing facts is fighting bashing now? Literally everything I said was true. Anyone who has followed Cyborg's and her opponent's careers know this.

Yes. Cyborg has only fought, what, six women who have not fought lighter than 145? Three of them had zero wins when she "fought" them. She has fought six or seven women who have fought at 125 and Cyborg herself posted a picture of her on the scale at a fairly lean 175. She came in heavy four times, including a catch weight fight that should have been scrapped. So she basically spent her entire career cheating to beat up smaller fighters. There is no pride in this, no honor and it is not anything to be respected.