Best base for MMA imo(boxing)

symphonyx547 said:
I don't know if he's racist, but your right about the things you say. The level of athletes in boxing are a hell of alot better then Chris lytle and Davis
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You know I don't want to bring the race card up at all but what other logic is their to explain someone doutbing amazing Boxers like Jones and Tyson's abiities to succeed in MMA when white mediocre Boxers have already done so?

I just don't get it.
 
Atomic_blast said:
That is a very bad example. Koscheck learning to stand with Jones is like Jones learning to wrestle FULLY with Koscheck.

That is idiotic man. You should know better than that. How are you going to take a fraction of a style in which a fighter can learn to defend against and compare that to someone learning a whole style and beat the pure stylist with that style in his own game?


Do you know how powerful Jone's legs were? You don't think he could not learntakedown defense when Cro Cop and Rutten has done it?


You are bias because you are racist. The reason I say that is because all the Boxers like Jones, Dela Hoya and Tyson are black and Hispanic and you don't give them the benifit of the doubt while totally ignoring the fact that white strikers and boxers like Marcus Davis, Chris Lytle, Cro Cop and Bas rutten has done well in MMA.


You gonna tell me that Cro Cop who was a great kickboxer can earn takedown defense and mediocre Boxers like Davis and Lytle can gain wins in MMA but yet denied Roy Jones who was a amazing Boxer and great athlete?


Yup you are racist.
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LMAO Thats the whole point of this debate. The best base to come into MMA with. I'd rather be a wrestler learning to box than a boxer learning to wrestle.

Fuck i'm Australian to to piss on you're racism thing, danny green would get taken down and pounded out by koscheck.

yes davis and lytle have wins in MMA, davis got his ass handed to him by stevenson. Not to mention lost to swick cause his wrestling was sub par

koscheck made a blood bath out of lytle with his wrestling and ground and pound.
 
madrobbo said:
LMAO Thats the whole point of this debate. The best base to come into MMA with. I'd rather be a wrestler learning to box than a boxer learning to wrestle.

Fuck i'm Australian to to piss on you're racism thing, danny green would get taken down and pounded out by koscheck.

yes davis and lytle have wins in MMA, davis got his ass handed to him by stevenson. Not to mention lost to swick cause his wrestling was sub par

koscheck made a blood bath out of lytle with his wrestling and ground and pound.
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Love the second part of your signature!
 
Atomic_blast said:
You know I don't want to bring the race card up at all but what other logic is their to explain someone doutbing amazing Boxers like Jones and Tyson's abiities to succeed in MMA when white mediocre Boxers have already done so?

I just don't get it.
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Yeah i agree even though i'm white.
 
TS is a butthurt boxing fan who got ashamed of the outcome of valuev holifyeld and came to a mma forum to troll.
 
Atomic_blast said:
You know I don't want to bring the race card up at all but what other logic is their to explain someone doutbing amazing Boxers like Jones and Tyson's abiities to succeed in MMA when white mediocre Boxers have already done so?

I just don't get it.
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LOL i'm not doubting there ability you tool, they are great athlete's, you're not talking about base anymore now are ya you're talking about who has the better athlete's.
 
madrobbo said:
So you think it's the best base not because a straight boxer can beat someone in BJJ but because boxing teaches you something that you can't teach a lot of people???

That makes no sense. If someone has heart and is a natural athlete it doesn't matter what base they come from cause they'll succeed at whatever they set their mind to.

You mention the chin, BJ comes from BJJ and he has the best chin in MMA.

What do you think a typical striker vs grappler match is??

the best base is grappling
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Best Chin in MMA ? Excuse me Hunt ?
 
madrobbo said:
LMAO Thats the whole point of this debate. The best base to come into MMA with. I'd rather be a wrestler learning to box than a boxer learning to wrestle.

Fuck i'm Australian to to piss on you're racism thing, danny green would get taken down and pounded out by koscheck.

yes davis and lytle have wins in MMA, davis got his ass handed to him by stevenson. Not to mention lost to swick cause his wrestling was sub par

koscheck made a blood bath out of lytle with his wrestling and ground and pound.
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The thing your not understanding is that no one is saying all you need is boxing that would be stupid. same is the case with every style. Every style has a plus and minus to it. The perfect fighter would be like a GSP with a better chin and more heart. A guy that is great every where. This thread is about if your going to pick only one style and then devope from that. it's easier to learn take down defense which is only one part of wrestling then to have no striking and try and develope striking good enough to compete even in MMA

Look at all the type guys in MMA they're all effective on the feet
Anserson
Fedor
GSP
BJ
Machida
that about cover it for p4p
 
madrobbo said:
LMAO Thats the whole point of this debate. The best base to come into MMA with. I'd rather be a wrestler learning to box than a boxer learning to wrestle.

Fuck i'm Australian to to piss on you're racism thing, danny green would get taken down and pounded out by koscheck.

yes davis and lytle have wins in MMA, davis got his ass handed to him by stevenson. Not to mention lost to swick cause his wrestling was sub par

koscheck made a blood bath out of lytle with his wrestling and ground and pound.
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A wrestler needs time to take hits though. Many wrestles don't know how it feels to get hit in the face or kick in the legs.

The Corey Hill incident has bought up that debate in the media because of how wrestlers coming into MMA are not used to hiting or getting hit and have to learn those aspects right away which could be dangerous for them


Many like Randleman, Mark Kerr and Mark Coleman ended up in long losing streaks after getting knock out because they were not use to getting hit and didn't fully recover from their knock out losses. Matt Hamil is going through that right now after he got smash by Franklin's body kick.


Lesnar look fraustrated at a point after getting cut over his eye from a punch, he is not use to that and as the competition gets more difficult and he recieves more blows than we will see how truley tested his will is.
 
madrobbo said:
LOL i was just making a point, it doesn't matter where you come from, if you have a good chin you have a good chin nothing can change that.
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True, but that's what is good about boxing becasue that is weeded out so you know you have a good chin. You can be the best grappler on the planet and never know you have a weak chin until you get hit by a top striker
 
madrobbo said:
LOL i'm not doubting there ability you tool, they are great athlete's, you're not talking about base anymore now are ya you're talking about who has the better athlete's.
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Uhhh...Athletism usually equals better adaptations when learning something new or strengthning what you already know, you idiot (you called me tool).

Lesnar and GSP proved this.

That is the advantage wrestlers have over BJJ grapplers is that wrestlers have to be athletic to succeed in he Collegiate or Amature level while BJJ grapplers don't required the same level of work ethic that Wresters requires
 
For MMA, I highly disagree. A wrestler will take a striker down and maul him assuming that the striker has no takedown defense. He won't be able to defend properly with his strikes.
 
Atomic_blast said:
A wrestler needs time to take hits though. Many wrestkes don't know how to feels to get hit in the face or kick in the legs.

The Corey Hill incident has bought up that debate in the media because of how wrestlers coming into MMA are not used to hiting or getting hit and have to lear those aspects right away.


Many like Randleman, Mark Kerr and Mark Coleman ended up in long losing streaks after getting knock out because they were not use to is didn't fully recover from their knock out losses. Matt Hail is going through that right now after he got smash by Frankin's body kick.


Lesnar look fraustrated at a point after getting cut over his eye from a punch, he is not use to that and as the competition gets more difficult and he recieves ore blows than we will see how truley tested his will is.
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I agree competely, you can make it to the UFC and be a compete puss like we've seen from a couple fighters. then we've seen fighters that are good, but don't have the greatest heart. These are things that you can't teach. any good athlete can get good at wrestling/ bjj if they put in the time. Not anyone can learn to have heart or a soild chin
 
symphonyx547 said:
The thing your not understanding is that no one is saying all you need is boxing that would be stupid. same is the case with every style. Every style has a plus and minus to it. The perfect fighter would be like a GSP with a better chin and more heart. A guy that is great every where. This thread is about if your going to pick only one style and then devope from that. it's easier to learn take down defense which is only one part of wrestling then to have no striking and try and develope striking good enough to compete even in MMA

Look at all the type guys in MMA they're all effective on the feet
Anserson
Fedor
GSP
BJ
Machida
that about cover it for p4p
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ummmm BJ and fedor come from grappling backgrounds.

I'm not saying one style beats all. You need everything, i'm talking about two unknown guys go to an MMA event, ones a striker and ones a wrestler. The way these fights play out 95% of the time is the wrestler takes the striker down and either LnP or GnP for the win. Hence the better back ground to have is wrestling not boxing. Any skills that develop from there on out comes down to the individual athlete and not the style they started out with.
 
jdm_boy said:
For MMA, I highly disagree. A wrestler will take a striker down and maul him assuming that the striker has no takedown defense. He won't be able to defend properly with his strikes.
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This has all ready been covered. A BJJ guy will sub a wrestler every time, so does that make wrestling a bad base? of course not
 
madrobbo said:
ummmm BJ and fedor come from grappling backgrounds.

I'm not saying one style beats all. You need everything, i'm talking about two unknown guys go to an MMA event, ones a striker and ones a wrestler. The way these fights play out 95% of the time is the wrestler takes the striker down and either LnP or GnP for the win. Hence the better back ground to have is wrestling not boxing. Any skills that develop from there on out comes down to the individual athlete and not the style they started out with.
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Bj took up boxing long before he did BJJ and then focused on BJJ later on. Fedor has amzing striking for MMA and is a true MMA fighter in the sense that he can sub you or knock you out. Style that finish are best not syles that just control
 
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