Best base for MMA imo(boxing)

[symphonyx547**]

He isnt built for BJJ he is built for wrestling and striking. That is like saying if Anderson Silva was as good at wrestling as he was at striking he would be even better than he is now. Not to say Brock is a good striker but he is built to be if he can manage to work out the technique.

He surely isn't built for striking yet he's doing good becasue he's powerfull and stilking with guys that arn't good strikers

 

[symphonyx547**]

Igor was a kickboxer. Davis and Lytle have had success but let's be honest, neither will ever be champ. And where did I ever say boxers can't make it in MMA? I simply said it is not the most useful base as compared to wrestling, jiu jitsu or muay thai. But if you want to just start calling me a retard go right ahead, you just come off as the real idiot here.

Davis and lytle were jouneyman level boxers

 

[Corey Roberts]

Okay thats cool bro. I am glad this didn't ended up being a pointless MMA vs Boxing debate. Lol.

LMAO debate #1307281 on the subject

 

[ncmmarookie**]

Igor Vovchanchyn has.

He won 21 straight fights in a row as a LHW beating HWs and even defeated Mark Kerr.


Marcus Davis, Chris Lytle and Jeremey Williams are three good examples of not so top boxers doing well in MMA.


And obviously no stylist will do well in MMA with a pure base you retard.

Correct sir!

They are journeymen boxers but whup arse in mma.
Imagine if MMA purses were large enough to draw boxing contenders.

Those guys had little or no wrestling too.
Many boxing contenders were good wrestlers at some point.

 

[Atomic_blast]

Igor not throwing any kicks against Hoost doesn't mean anything. I'm no expert on him by any means, but everything I've ever seen or read on him states him as a kickboxer and he has used kicks plenty of times to great effect. I'm sure he has studied some pure boxing, but I wouldn't call that his base.

The race card is bullshit. But you are right that many MMA fans don't give boxers fair credit because of the perceived rivalry between the two. The same can be said of boxing fans that hate MMA.

The reason I think Muay Thai or Kickboxing or Kyokushin is a potentially better base is because of the versatility. Strikes from many more angles attacking many more parts of the body. More versatility for combinations and footwork and defensive posturing more apt for defending all kinds of strikes.

Igor's main weapon was his right. He had bricks for hands and had to retired early because of his hands breaking so much.

The late great Andy Hug once said that he had to learn Western Boxing because Kyokushin Karate didn't teach him to take punches to the face and defend punches to the face. That is why he got knock out by Patrick Smith who was a Pro Boxer as well as a Kickboxer.


Boxing teaches what Muay Thai does not as I was telling the other poster. It does not teach you to defend punches from a Boxer because Boxers have different stances and foot work than MT fighters does and that is why many MT fighters in Thai Land are training in Western Boxing to add to their MT.

The punching technique of MT is totally way different than the punching technique of Western Boxing.


It is obvious that you favor kicking and that is cool. I prefer punching. Many in MMA takes Boxing because they prefer punching, others still love to kick. It depands on the comfort level of each fighter.

 

[MIGHTY_]

The best base for MMA is Eskrima. I haven't seen anyone in the P4P ranks that could stand up to someone with a blade.

All joking aside ... oh no wait, this thread started on a joke.

 

[TKJ]

This post is retarded.

 

[Corey Roberts]

Davis and lytle were jouneyman level boxers

So let me ask you this

do you think a oscar de la hoya would be able to stuff a takedown attempt by BJ penn and stop him from getting his back and choking him out??

do you think a prime mike tyson would be able to stop brock lesnar from shooting in and putting him on his back???

Do you think a roy jones jr would be able to stuff a fitch or koscheck takedown???

Could mayweather stuff a norifumi yamamotto take down attempt???

 

[jf0808]

6'3 at 145 holy fuck. how much do you have to cut??

I don't cut anything

 

[behzad]

the reason why wrestling is the best base is of the movement required to do wrestling well. leverage, balance, strength you dont got in any other sport as well. u're way more constantly active(full body) in wrestling more then bjj/boxing/judo/muay thai.... makes a great base for mma. The other disciplines come after.

 

[behzad]

the reason why wrestling is the best base is of the movement required to do wrestling well. leverage, balance, strength you dont got in any other sport as well. u're way more constantly active(full body) in wrestling more then bjj/boxing/judo/muay thai.... makes a great base for mma. The other disciplines come after.

 

[ncmmarookie**]

So let me ask you this

do you think a oscar de la hoya would be able to stuff a takedown attempt by BJ penn and stop him from getting his back and choking him out??

do you think a prime mike tyson would be able to stop brock lesnar from shooting in and putting him on his back???

Do you think a roy jones jr would be able to stuff a fitch or koscheck takedown???

Could mayweather stuff a norifumi yamamotto take down attempt???

Kermit Cintron and O'neil Bell could if they trained for a few weeks.

Both are champion level boxers that no how to wrestle.

Plus Bell chased his sparring partner with a hatchet:icon_chee

 

[Mongol]

Igor's main weapon was his right. He had bricks for hands and had to retired early because of his hands breaking so much.

The late great Andy Hug once said that he had to learn Western Boxing because Kyokushin Karate didn't teach him to take punches to the face and defend punches to the face. That is why he got knock out by Patrick Smith who was a Pro Boxer as well as a Kickboxer.


Boxing teaches what Muay Thai does not as I was telling the other poster. It does not teach you to defend punches from a Boxer because Boxers have different stances and foot work than MT fighters does and that is why many MT fighters in Thai Land are training in Western Boxing to add to their MT.

The punching technique of MT is totally way different than the punching technique of Western Boxing.


It is obvious that you favor kicking and that is cool. I prefer punching. Many in MMA takes Boxing because they prefer punching, others still love to kick. It depands on the comfort level of each fighter.

It isn't as much about favoring one or the other. I have studied martial arts for 11 years. My primary bases are Taekwondo and Muay Thai so yes, I have more experience in those areas. But I have also studied boxing and kickboxing. You are right with the Andy Hug example, cross-training in boxing certainly helped me in muay thai. No one style can be used alone and be the most efficient. I just have always found that there are more practical uses for Muay Thai than conventional boxing.

 

[symphonyx547**]

So let me ask you this

do you think a oscar de la hoya would be able to stuff a takedown attempt by BJ penn and stop him from getting his back and choking him out??

do you think a prime mike tyson would be able to stop brock lesnar from shooting in and putting him on his back???

Do you think a roy jones jr would be able to stuff a fitch or koscheck takedown???

Could mayweather stuff a norifumi yamamotto take down attempt???

Of course not. what does that have to do with anything? Can a wrestler sub a BJJ black belt with a GO GO? Can a BJJ why out wrestle a wrestler? can a striker judo toss a Judo Black belt? I never said that all you need is boxing that's obviously not correct. you need to be be good at at least two different styles to be effective in MMA. This thread is what is the best base coming from only one style. OF course being good at every thing is best.

 

[MIGHTY_]

So let me ask you this

do you think a oscar de la hoya would be able to stuff a takedown attempt by BJ penn and stop him from getting his back and choking him out??

do you think a prime mike tyson would be able to stop brock lesnar from shooting in and putting him on his back???

Do you think a roy jones jr would be able to stuff a fitch or koscheck takedown???

Could mayweather stuff a norifumi yamamotto take down attempt???

I say "AMEN BROTHER" and "HALLELUJAH"!

Any of these matchups sound like an episode of America's Funniest Home Videos waiting to happen.

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[symphonyx547**]

I say "AMEN BROTHER" and "HALLELUJAH"!

Any of these matchups sound like an episode of America's Funniest Home Videos waiting to happen.

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AS would the opposite.

 

[Atomic_blast]

So let me ask you this

do you think a oscar de la hoya would be able to stuff a takedown attempt by BJ penn and stop him from getting his back and choking him out??

do you think a prime mike tyson would be able to stop brock lesnar from shooting in and putting him on his back???

Do you think a roy jones jr would be able to stuff a fitch or koscheck takedown???

Could mayweather stuff a norifumi yamamotto take down attempt???

Marcus Davis and Chris Lytle has done it. What makes you think those great boxers you mention would not?

Boxers like Tyson were very fluent in side stepping. Many people don't realized how effective a Boxer as fast as a prime Tyson who had power could side step a takedown especially from Lesnar and hit him with a hook.

Cro Cop was a expert at this in MMA when he would side step takedowns and avoid them completly.

Tyson was a freak of a athlete and no Boxer or MMA fighter till this day comes close to how athletic that gu was mixed with the combination of power and great speed.

The thing here is, do you think a Boxer would come in and not cross train and learn takedown efense and subission defense. They don't have to be BJJ black belts but defenses are very important.

A Boxer would put his Boxing on the side and just learn those criterias in grapling, and any MMA camp in this country would want to take the oppertunity to train a Elite Boxer for bragging rights.

Long gone are the days when people thought a fighter would win base on style, today fighters win based on skills, proper game planning and overal who ever wants it the most.

I mean everyone talks about Macida's "eluvesiness" and how he is so hard to beat because of his foot work. Imagine a prime Roy Jones or Mike Tyson in MMA after learning takedown defenses.


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[Corey Roberts]

Of course not. what does that have to do with anything? Can a wrestler sub a BJJ black belt with a GO GO? Can a BJJ why out wrestle a wrestler? can a striker judo toss a Judo Black belt? I never said that all you need is boxing that's obviously not correct. you need to be be good at at least two different styles to be effective in MMA. This thread is what is the best base coming from only one style. OF course being good at every thing is best.

It's got everything to do with you're opening post you fool. You're arguing what is the best base, which is you're background. If you take a raw wrestler and put him against a raw boxer the wrestler wins in MMA rules, hence it's the best base to have.

Now if you're argument is if you train a boxer in wrestling then he'll be a force that ahs fuck all to do with a base, you're talking about the athletic ability of the individual and you're real argument is that boxers are better athletes than MMA fighters.

The end result has nothing to do with you're base but how you pick things up. A world champion BJJ guy could become a world champion boxer if he had the athletic ability and heart. Vice versa for boxing.

 

[MIGHTY_]

Of course not. what does that have to do with anything? Can a wrestler sub a BJJ black belt with a GO GO? Can a BJJ why out wrestle a wrestler? can a striker judo toss a Judo Black belt? I never said that all you need is boxing that's obviously not correct. you need to be be good at at least two different styles to be effective in MMA. This thread is what is the best base coming from only one style. OF course being good at every thing is best.

Best base is wrestling, no question about it. Boxing is not even close.

http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f2/wrestling-best-888397/

 

[symphonyx547**]

It's got everything to do with you're opening post you fool. You're arguing what is the best base, which is you're background. If you take a raw wrestler and put him against a raw boxer the wrestler wins in MMA rules, hence it's the best base to have.

Now if you're argument is if you train a boxer in wrestling then he'll be a force that ahs fuck all to do with a base, you're talking about the athletic ability of the individual and you're real argument is that boxers are better athletes than MMA fighters.

The end result has nothing to do with you're base but how you pick things up. A world champion BJJ guy could become a world champion boxer if he had the athletic ability and heart. Vice versa for boxing.

Like i said in my first post A pure boxer couldn't beat a pure grappler. A pure wrestler would lose to a pure BJJ guy 99 percent of the time. If you come from a world class boxing back ground you don't have to become a BJJ black belt or a top wrestler what you have to do is develope skills to help your strength kind like Chuck did. Except he's not that great at his strength