Best base for MMA imo(boxing)

[Corey Roberts]

Marcus Davis and Chris Lytle has done it. What makes you think those great boxers you mention would not?

Boxers like Tyson were very fluent in side stepping. Many people don't realized how effective a Boxer as fast as a prime Tyson who had power could side step a takedown especially from Lesnar and hit him with a hook.

Cro Cop was a expert at this in MMA when he would side step takedowns and avoid them completly.

Tyson was a freak of a athlete and no Boxer or MMA fighter till this day comes close to how athletic that gu was mixed with the combination of power and great speed.

The thing here is, do you think a Boxer would come in and not cross train and learn takedown efense and subission defense. They don't have to be BJJ black belts but defenses are very important.

A Boxer would put his Boxing on the side and just learn those criterias in grapling, and any MMA camp in this country would want to take the oppertunity to train a Elite Boxer for bragging rights.

Don't make it sound so machnical. Long gone are the days when people thought a fighter would win base on style, today fighters win based on skills, proper game planning and overal who ever wants it the most.

I mean everyone talks about Macida's "eluvesiness" and how he is so hard to beat because of his foot work. Imagine a prime Roy Jones or Mike Tyson in MMA after learning takedown defenses.


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Were talking about base though a straight wrestler with no stand up training vs a straight boxer with no TD defense.

What makes you think a world class boxer just learn to stuff a take down defense from a world class wrestler??

Be like me saying a world class wrestler could learn how to trade with a world class boxer after doing a bit of cross training.

 

[RNCommando]

These whole "best base for taking a shit" "best base for snappin your carrot" "best base for JNFILFBIL:FVFIL:VLFFJFVBFILCVFFI:YGVFI:FGBILFUGBFIO:UFVBI:UFVBFO:UBFO:UFB:iF

Are getting old.

Ha ha ha

 

[MIGHTY_]

In real time, that Roy Jones shot was pure awesome. However, the replay makes it look like he didn't actually land anything.

 

[RNCommando]

In real time, that Roy Jones shot was pure awesome. However, the replay makes it look like he didn't actually land anything.

Thats what i was thinking also i was a bit dissapointed in the replay lol!

 

[Corey Roberts]

Like i said in my first post A pure boxer couldn't beat a pure grappler. A pure wrestler would lose to a pure BJJ guy 99 percent of the time. If you come from a world class boxing back ground you don't have to become a BJJ black belt or a top wrestler what you have to do is develope skills to help your strength kind like Chuck did. Except he's not that great at his strength

You make no sense. The best base to have is the one that wins fights

grappler > striker

Teaching a striker to stuff a takedown from a world class grappler with a little training is like me saying a world class grappler can learn to stirke with a world class striker with a little training.

I'd rather have the base in the dominant style.

 

[ianfreemanfan]

i want to see floyd mayweather fight in the ufc.


what weight does pretty boy fight at? 175? i would be willing to say that someone like militech would beat the fuck out of floyd in mma.

yes and floyd would beat him in a boxing match, but what would that prove? only that they are seperate sports

 

[Atomic_blast]

Were talking about base though a straight wrestler with no stand up training vs a straight boxer with no TD defense.

What makes you think a world class boxer just learn to stuff a take down defense from a world class wrestler??

Be like me saying a world class wrestler could learn how to trade with a world class boxer after doing a bit of cross training.

Bas Rutten, Cro cop, Maurice Smith, Igor Vovchanchyn and others can answer that for you.

They are real fighters who has done it. Don't be stubborn.

Takedown defense is just part of Wrestling. But why would't a athlete be able to do it? No different than a wrestler learning how to check a leg kick from a MT fighter which has been done. That does not mean a Boxer would be able to out wrestle the wrestler. But he can avoid being taken to the ground and knock the fighter out.

Look at Brock Lesnar, he is a great athlete and he has cross train well enough to other aspects of fighting.


You cannot doubt the abilities of great athletes.

 

[symphonyx547**]

Were talking about base though a straight wrestler with no stand up training vs a straight boxer with no TD defense.

What makes you think a world class boxer just learn to stuff a take down defense from a world class wrestler??

Be like me saying a world class wrestler could learn how to trade with a world class boxer after doing a bit of cross training.

No one is saying that your saying that. like i've said many times in this post pure BJJ smokes Pure Wrestling. This is about a base which you build off of, no single style is a compete total style

 

[symphonyx547**]

You make no sense. The best base to have is the one that wins fights

grappler > striker

Teaching a striker to stuff a takedown from a world class grappler with a little training is like me saying a world class grappler can learn to stirke with a world class striker with a little training.

I'd rather have the base in the dominant style.

The trend in MMA is striking. IF you look at the history of MMA you'll see that striking is becoming more and more used as time goes on. Even guys like Koscheck are basically only using there wrestling to defend takedowns and box. That's what it takes to become a big draw. Sad to say, but facts are facts people want to see fighters stand and trade.

 

[Atomic_blast]

You make no sense. The best base to have is the one that wins fights

grappler > striker

Teaching a striker to stuff a takedown from a world class grappler with a little training is like me saying a world class grappler can learn to stirke with a world class striker with a little training.

I'd rather have the base in the dominant style.

Takedown defense deals with alot of leg power. Something strikers (Kickboxers and Boxers) have.

I am sorry bro. But I would take the examples and actions of Igor Vovchanchyn, Cro Cop, Maurice Sith and Bas Rutten over your opinion anytime.

Look at the history of MMA and how BJJ grapplers were dominiating and then Wrestlers and once strikers learn takedown defense they started to finally win fights against grapplers and wrestlers.

 

[Corey Roberts]

Bas Rutten, Cro cop, Maurice Smith, Igor Vovchanchyn and others can answer that for you.

They are real fighters who has done it. Don't be stubborn.

Takedown defense is just part of Wrestling. But why would't a athlete be able to do it? No different than a wrestler learning how to check a leg kick from a MT fighter which has been done. That does not mean a Boxer would be able to out wrestle the wrestler. But he can avoid being taken to the ground and knock the fighter out.

Look at Brock Lesnar, he is a great athlete and he has cross train well enough to aspects of fighting.


You canot doubt the abilities of great athletes.

LOL thats funny cause bas rutten himself said on inside MMA that wrestling would be the best base to have.

I'm not saying it can't be done (teach a striker how to stuff a takedown) i'm saying 90% of the time grappler>striker

Saying you can get an roy jones jr to learn to block a josh koscheck takedown is like me saying josh koscheck can learn to stand with roy joner jr.

 

[symphonyx547**]

LOL thats funny cause bas rutten himself said on inside MMA that wrestling would be the best base to have.

I'm not saying it can't be done (teach a striker how to stuff a takedown) i'm saying 90% of the time grappler>striker

Saying you can get an roy jones jr to learn to block a josh koscheck takedown is like me saying josh koscheck can learn to stand with roy joner jr.

Look at Thigo, he had not problems. You don't have to be a better wrestler then someone to stuff there takedowns and more so when strikes are involved. A wrestler is going to have a much harder time taking someone down when there in fear of strikes

 

[Corey Roberts]

The trend in MMA is striking. IF you look at the history of MMA you'll see that striking is becoming more and more used as time goes on. Even guys like Koscheck are basically only using there wrestling to defend takedowns and box. That's what it takes to become a big draw. Sad to say, but facts are facts people want to see fighters stand and trade.

we're not debating about the most exciting fighting style, we're debating the best base.

 

[symphonyx547**]

we're not debating about the most exciting fighting style, we're debating the best base.

Well fighters fight for money. the level of fighters would be so low without money involved. The fact remains strikers have a better chance of becoming marketable

 

[axxes_merdas]

Look at Thigo, he had not problems. You don't have to be a better wrestler then someone to stuff there takedowns and more so when strikes are involved. A wrestler is going to have a much harder time taking someone down when there in fear of strikes

i agree if u can sprawl and brawl then u would have true survivor skills..

 

[Atomic_blast]

LOL thats funny cause bas rutten himself said on inside MMA that wrestling would be the best base to have.

I'm not saying it can't be done (teach a striker how to stuff a takedown) i'm saying 90% of the time grappler>striker

Saying you can get an roy jones jr to learn to block a josh koscheck takedown is like me saying josh koscheck can learn to stand with roy joner jr.

That is a very bad example. Koscheck learning to stand with Jones is like Jones learning to wrestle FULLY with Koscheck.

That is idiotic man. You should know better than that. How are you going to take a fraction of a style in which a fighter can learn to defend against and compare that to someone learning a whole style and beat the pure stylist with that style in his own game?


Do you know how powerful Jone's legs were? You don't think he could not learn takedown defense when Cro Cop and Rutten has done it?


You are bias because you are racist. The reason I say that is because all the Boxers like Jones, Dela Hoya and Tyson are black and Hispanic and you don't give them the benifit of the doubt while totally ignoring the fact that white strikers and boxers like Marcus Davis, Chris Lytle, Cro Cop and Bas rutten has done well in MMA.


You gonna tell me that Cro Cop who was a great kickboxer can learn takedown defense and do well in MMA which he did and mediocre Boxers like Davis and Lytle can gain wins in MMA but yet doubt Roy Jones who was a amazing Boxer and great athlete?


Yup you are racist.

 

[yekmurat]

no theres no best base for mma you have to know a lot of different styles or you fail...

 

[symphonyx547**]

That is a very bad example. Koscheck learning to stand with Jones is like Jones learning to wrestle FULLY with Koscheck.

That is idiotic man. You should know better than that. How are you going to take a fraction of a style in which a fighter can learn to defend against and compare that to someone learning a whole style and beat the pure stylist with that style in his own game?


Do you know how powerful Jone's legs were? You don't think he could not learntakedown defense when Cro Cop and Rutten has done it?


You are bias because you are racist. The reason I say that is because all the Boxers like Jones, Dela Hoya and Tyson are black and Hispanic and you don't give them the benifit of the doubt while totally ignoring the fact that white strikers and boxers like Marcus Davis, Chris Lytle, Cro Cop and Bas rutten has done well in MMA.


You gonna tell me that Cro Cop who was a great kickboxer can learn takedown defense and do well in MMA which he did and mediocre Boxers like Davis and Lytle can gain wins in MMA but yet doubt Roy Jones who was a amazing Boxer and great athlete?


Yup you are racist.

I don't know if he's racist, but your right about the things you say. The level of athletes in boxing are a hell of alot better then Chris lytle and Davis

 

[The Count4]

You most've not read my post. IF we're going to pick one fighting style to beat other styles(like the early days) then only sub arts would be good. Wrestling is worth less without either stiking or sub def. name one decent boxer that was in the early UFC's? I'd take a prime Mike Tyson over prime Royce any day. my post is about the best syles as a base and then develope other styles around that base and i think it's easily boxing

tyson over royce.....ban this guy

 

[MIGHTY_]

That is a very bad example. Koscheck learning to stand with Jones is like Jones learning to wrestle FULLY with Koscheck.

That is idiotic man. You should know better than that. How are you going to take a fraction of a style in which a fighter can learn to defend against and compare that to someone learning a whole style and beat the pure stylist with that style in his own game?


Do you know how powerful Jone's legs were? You don't think he could not learn takedown defense when Cro Cop and Rutten has done it?


You are bias because you are racist. The reason I say that is because all the Boxers like Jones, Dela Hoya and Tyson are black and Hispanic and you don't give them the benifit of the doubt while totally ignoring the fact that white strikers and boxers like Marcus Davis, Chris Lytle, Cro Cop and Bas rutten has done well in MMA.


You gonna tell me that Cro Cop who was a great kickboxer can learn takedown defense and do well in MMA which he did and mediocre Boxers like Davis and Lytle can gain wins in MMA but yet doubt Roy Jones who was a amazing Boxer and great athlete?


Yup you are racist.

Racist would be if he said that no Latvian will ever be able to beat a Croatian at goatherding.
He just said black folks can't learn things.

Oh wait, that is racist ... carry on.