Best base for MMA imo(boxing)

[Corona]

I whole heartedly agree! Its a new sport. MMA is not what it used to be. You have to be more than proficient in so many areas to be a true champion, or even a good fighter.

having a solid base in something certainly helps, but history has showed us that grapplers have faired better than strikers.

 

[mr.allday]

Hun is not a ACTUAL kickboxer. He is a super heavyweigt Boxer who does not like kicking but still won a K-1 GP.



Get it right.

he was successful at Kickboxing so he is more than qualified to be called a kickboxer. Who cares anyway? Are you kidding me pointing out shit like that is arbitrary anyway.

 

[chino0503]

sokodjou was thrown into the wolves, he has a strong judo backround, and he ko'd two top 10 fighters.


also, history has shown us that it is much easier to learn good striking for mma than it is to learn good grappling.

i honestly think its the other way around.... but thtats just me.

 

[Mongol]

There has never been a single fighter with a boxing base that has had tremendos success in MMA. Boxing is very limiting, it doesn't incorporate the use of feet, knees and takedowns. The footwork used for boxing is also rendered useless by the many new dimensions added. Having a base in wrestling, jiu jitsu or muay thai would all be much more beneficial

 

[symphonyx547**]

well I see were you coming form about boxing/strinking being the best base...but whatever ppl around here all have diffrint views, any ways the thing I think is unfair is about the weak chin part.

MMA gloves are "unforgiving" like Rogan said one time, and to say grappler don't have heart is stupid....the dude with the biggest heart in mma is Nog and he is a grappler, what about Saku, and many others. then you got dudes like GG Eric shafer that don't but there are a lot strikers that don't ether so suck it.

No one says that no grapplers have heart. What is being said is that you can make it to the elite levels of grappling with little heart. YOu can't name one top boxers with the heart of Lutter, GG, Vinnie off the UF. those are world class grapplers right there and the list can go on and on

 

[Atomic_blast]

We're arguing about base, the best background to have coming into MMA. My argument is boxing isn't that BJJ is.

I edited my first post cause people were giving me shit that i didn't read the full OP. The points TS points out don't really have anything to do with boxing except the chin part, but boxing doesn't teach you anything that muay thai doesn't i.e taking a hit etc and cause muay thai teaches you to defend/use more strikes it's a better STRIKING base, not overall base.

Untill pro boxers man the fuck up and take part in a tournament like they had in the old days the best base will always be either BJJ or wrestling.

Fact is when people want to shit on Boxing they bring back those examples of Art Jimmerson losing to Royce Gracie so I counter with the Boxer Igor Vovchanchyn knocking out World class BJJ stylist at the time Adilson Lima. It is played out and old.


MT and Boxing are two totaly different arts. MT does not teach you the defense of Boxing and vice versa. You don't realized the importance of foot work, head movements and cutting of range for your opponents.

MT is more simplistic dealing with pure power. Boxing is more eluvisve and rhythmatic. That is why you have more and more MT fighters in Thailand adding Western Boxing into their mix by training with World Class Boxers from Thailand. A great example is Baukaw who added Western Boxing with his MT and dominated the K-1 Max Grand Prix back in 2006.


Both have different stances, different everything. MT does not have the defense to defend a solid Boxer's punches. Baukaw proved that in the K-1 GP and any were disorientated by him, Vitor Belfort proved that when he knock out Wanderlei Silva.

Both are different and one can learn alot from aking both styles.

That is why Ducth Kickboxing is so dangerus because they combined Western Boxig with MT along with Kyokushin Karate.

 

[ncmmarookie**]

I think Wrestling is the best base for mma. If you look at the successfull fighters in mma most of them are wrestling based.

Exactly. If you control where the fights take place the rest can be learned quickly.

Last time I checked Brock was a champ right?

 

[YourfatherII]

chill out e-thug i wouldn't want you to bust a cap in me

10000/10...thats how good this pic is

 

[symphonyx547**]

There has never been a single fighter with a boxing base that has had tremendos success in MMA. Boxing is very limiting, it doesn't incorporate the use of feet, knees and takedowns. The footwork used for boxing is also rendered useless by the many new dimensions added. Having a base in wrestling, jiu jitsu or muay thai would all be much more beneficial

There's not one boxer that would want to come to MMA. What if you made 100 milion doing BJJ comps and 40 K doing boxing do you think that top BJJers would line up to go into boxing? i don't think so

 

[mr.allday]

having a solid base in something certainly helps, but history has showed us that grapplers have faired better than strikers.

Another obvious point, but a valid one. Yes, I know since I have been watching since the begining I have a good understanding of where this sport was and what it has become! First it was Royce, then the Wrestlers, Severn, Coleman, Kerr etc...

 

[symphonyx547**]

Exactly. If you control where the fights take place the rest can be learned quickly.

Last time I checked Brock was a champ right?

I think Brock's sucess has alot more to do with his freakish natural abilites not wrestling Technique. If he had the BJJ skill that he has wrestling he'd be unbeatable

 

[Mongol]

There's not one boxer that would want to come to MMA. What if you made 100 milion doing BJJ comps and 40 K doing boxing do you think that top BJJers would line up to go into boxing? i don't think so

Regardless, boxing would never be that useful as a base. It's very limited in the striking and defenes it offers. And again, the footwork involved would be rendered useless by the threat of takedowns, kicks and knees. It is always good to have trained in many different styles, but a base in boxing would not be nearly as useful as other arts. Top boxers like Floyd Mayweather or Manny Pacquiao would not be able to use their talets in MMA. They would certainly stand a better chance at success than your average joe, but I would not automatically assume they have amazing potential.

 

[Atomic_blast]

There has never been a single fighter with a boxing base that has had tremendos success in MMA. Boxing is very limiting, it doesn't incorporate the use of feet, knees and takedowns. The footwork used for boxing is also rendered useless by the many new dimensions added. Having a base in wrestling, jiu jitsu or muay thai would all be much more beneficial

Igor Vovchanchyn has.

He won 21 straight fights in a row as a LHW beating HWs and even defeated Mark Kerr.


Marcus Davis, Chris Lytle and Jeremey Williams are three good examples of not so top boxers doing well in MMA.


And obviously no stylist will do well in MMA with a pure base you retard.

 

[Hylix]

I think Brock's sucess has alot more to do with his freakish natural abilites not wrestling Technique. If he had the BJJ skill that he has wrestling he'd be unbeatable

He isnt built for BJJ he is built for wrestling and striking. That is like saying if Anderson Silva was as good at wrestling as he was at striking he would be even better than he is now. Not to say Brock is a good striker but he is built to be if he can manage to work out the technique.

 

[Mongol]

Igor Vovchanchyn has.

He won 21 straight fights in a row as a LHW beating HWs and even defeated Mark Kerr.


Marcus Davis, Chris Lytle and Jeremey Williams are three good examples of not so top boxers doing well in MMA.


And obviously no stylist will do well in MMA with a pure base you retard.

Igor was a kickboxer. Davis and Lytle have had success but let's be honest, neither will ever be champ. And where did I ever say boxers can't make it in MMA? I simply said it is not the most useful base as compared to wrestling, jiu jitsu or muay thai. But if you want to just start calling me a retard go right ahead, you just come off as the real idiot here.

 

[Atomic_blast]

Igor was a kickboxer. Davis and Lytle have had success but let's be honest, neither will ever be champ. And where did I ever say boxers can't make it in MMA? I simply said it is not the most useful base as compared to wrestling, jiu jitsu or muay thai. But if you want to just start calling me a retard go right ahead, you just come off as the real idiot here.

Igor was a primary a Boxer. He didnt throw any kicks against his Kickbxing match aganst Hoost.

Davis and Lytle were not even succesful in Boxing yet they have reach top ranks in UFC. And they don't hold a candle to a Mayweather or a Kelly Pavlick.


The fact is, many don't give Boxing it's props because they are either racist due to Boxing having been dominated by blacks and hispanics for a long time (now Slavics have taken over the HW division) or they are part of the MMA vs Boxing comflict and they want to be loyal to what they choose. And BJJ is i every suburban plaza with wrestling being a big academic field in suburban schools while with MT you have geeks who think the can kick a bag and wth their sloppy hay makers they can now beat up anyone because they know leg kicks and hey makers.


Boxing has become the primary stand up style for many MMA fighters. MT is a great style, but it does not fit everyone and neither does Boxing.

 

[dip]

Is this to say that all grapplers don't have heart of course not, but it's impossible to make it to the elite level in boxing without at least a very soild heart.

So you can be an elite grappler and not have solid heart? What?

Another thing that gets weeded out in boxing is weak chins. you can make it all the way to the upper levels in the UFC before you truely get your chin tested if your a soild fighter. I think think of many top level fighters in MMA that are either scared to get hit or have weak chins.

Name 3 top 10 fighters in any weight division (all three being in the same division) that don't have a solid chin.



Boxing is absolutely a solid base for MMA, but far from the best. Against an elite kickboxer/MT fighter, the boxer will more than likely lose. Against an elite grappler there's always the punchers chance but once it hits the ground the boxer is fucked.

 

[Corey Roberts]

Fact is when people want to shit on Boxing they bring back those examples of Art Jimmerson losing to Royce Gracie so I counter with the Boxer Igor Vovchanchyn knocking out World class BJJ stylist at the time Adilson Lima. It is played out and old.


MT and Boxing are two totaly different arts. MT does not teach you the defense of Boxing and vice versa. You don't realized the importance of foot work, head movements and cutting of range for your opponents.

MT is more simplistic dealing with pure power. Boxing is more eluvisve and rhythmatic. That is why you have more and more MT fighters in Thailand adding Western Boxing into their mix by training with World Class Boxers from Thailand. A great example is Baukaw who added Western Boxing with his MT and dominated the K-1 Max Grand Prix back in 2006.


Both have different stances, different everything. MT does not have the defense to defend a solid Boxer's punches. Baukaw proved that in the K-1 GP and any were disorientated by him, Vitor Belfort proved that when he knock out Wanderlei Silva.

Both are different and one can learn alot from aking both styles.

That is why Ducth Kickboxing is so dangerus because they combined Western Boxig with MT along with Kyokushin Karate.

Yeah i'm not shitting on boxing. I love the study of boxing and too neglect it in MMA is just asking for trouble. I just feel the best base to have to come into MMA is grappling because while you're learning to box you can take out pro boxers with your BJJ and submit wrestlers from you're back.

At the end of the day it all comnes down to the individual on how good they'll be once they learn everything. A gifted athlete can come from boxing and pickup BJJ with ease and vice versa, just look how BJ came from BJJ and how he's taken to boxing like a fish to water.

My argument is if you're coming into MMA from one background only knowing one thing, BJJ or wrestling usually always fair better than someone that only knows striking.

Like with anything in life their are exceptions to this but as far as the record goes i think grappling is ahead by a mile.

 

[Mongol]

Igor was a primary a Boxer. He didnt throw any kicks against his Kickbxing match aganst Hoost.


Davis and Lytle were not even succesful in Boxin yet they have reach top ranks in UFC.


The fact is, many don't give Boxing it's props because they are either racist due to Boxing having been dominated by blacks and hispanics for a long time (now Slavics have taken over the HW division) or they are part of the MMA vs Boxing comflict and they want to be loyal to what they choose.


Boxing is has become the priary stand up style for many MMA fighters. MT is a great style, but it does not fit everyone and neither does Boxing.

Igor not throwing any kicks against Hoost doesn't mean anything. I'm no expert on him by any means, but everything I've ever seen or read on him states him as a kickboxer and he has used kicks plenty of times to great effect. I'm sure he has studied some pure boxing, but I wouldn't call that his base.

The race card is bullshit. But you are right that many MMA fans don't give boxers fair credit because of the perceived rivalry between the two. The same can be said of boxing fans that hate MMA.

The reason I think Muay Thai or Kickboxing or Kyokushin is a potentially better base is because of the versatility. Strikes from many more angles attacking many more parts of the body. More versatility for combinations and footwork and defensive posturing more apt for defending all kinds of strikes.

 

[Atomic_blast]

Yeah i'm not shitting on boxing. I love the study of boxing and too neglect it in MMA is just asking for trouble. I just feel the best base to have to come into MMA is grappling because while you're learning to box you can take out pro boxers with your BJJ and submit wrestlers from you're back.

At the end of the day it all comnes down to the individual on how good they'll be once they learn everything. A gifted athlete can come from boxing and pickup BJJ with ease and vice versa, just look how BJ came from BJJ and how he's taken to boxing like a fish to water.

My argument is if you're coming into MMA from one background only knowing one thing, BJJ or wrestling usually always fair better than someone that only knows striking.

Like with anything in life their are exceptions to this but as far as the record goes i think grappling is ahead by a mile.

Okay thats cool bro. I am glad this didn't ended up being a pointless MMA vs Boxing debate. Lol.