Best base for MMA imo(boxing)

[mtron929]

Couple of issues.

1) I think a number of MMA fans (not all obviously) have biases against boxing because well, they buy into this competition between MMA and boxing and feel a need to be loyal to the sport. These guys tend to denigrate boxing and boxers at all cost and revel in the thought that elite boxers would get destroyed in the octagon by the elite MMA athletes (which under the MMA rules they would).

2) The best base argument is biased against boxing since elite level boxers don't participate in the MMA. On the other hand, the elite level wrestlers have no means to make big money besides the MMA and thus you get to see more of the best of the best wrestlers in the MMA rather than the boxers.

 

[mr.allday]

take a good look at mark hunts record... 5-4... 3 wins coming against mediocre competition and the other two against much smaller strikers... all 4 losses are to grapplers in the first round.

I could care a less about Hunt, but are you trying to tell me Manny would step in and do better, if you are I will retire laughing.

 

[Hylix]

Wow that's a bold statement, I mean K-1. I think the Klitscko's are top 10 all time heavys but I'm sure would not last long against the likes of Aerts, Hoost (prime), Le Banner, Bonjasky, Hari.

C'mon think leg kicks!

Remember Mercer Vs Bonjasky? One kick and it was all over. And Marcer at 44 still packed a BIG punch and of course was an immensely better boxer than Remy. Think of Botha too.

Like I said, dont you think that a guy at the level that Klitschko is at would be able to get the best training to be able to at least be able to avoid most kicks and knees. Also dont bring up Mercer, that was the most pathetic excuse of a "fight" I have ever seen and he wasnt even stunned he just got kicked and gave up because he was too old, too fat, and too slow to do anything. Oh and Mercer lost to Kimbo Slice, enough said the guy ruined his legacy years ago.

 

[FreshPrince]

Wow that's a bold statement, I mean K-1. I think the Klitscko's are top 10 all time heavys but I'm sure would not last long against the likes of Aerts, Hoost (prime), Le Banner, Bonjasky, Hari.

C'mon think leg kicks!

Remember Mercer Vs Bonjasky? One kick and it was all over. And Marcer at 44 still packed a BIG punch and of course was an immensely better boxer than Remy. Think of Botha too.

I think an elite boxer would win in K1, I wouldn't bet the farm in mma though. Klitschko is a bad example because he was a world champion kick boxer, but I think a guy like David Haye at heavyweight could do good. But c'mon with Mercer, he was a joke then. There was a reason he wasn't boxing anymore, and Botha was never an elite boxer.

 

[asturel13]

I'd like to see mayweather get destroyed by Guida if he could make that weight.

 

[Atomic_blast]

Couple of issues.

1) I think a number of MMA fans (not all obviously) have biases against boxing because well, they buy into this competition between MMA and boxing and feel a need to be loyal to the sport. These guys tend to denigrate boxing and boxers at all cost and revel in the thought that elite boxers would get destroyed in the octagon by the elite MMA athletes (which under the MMA rules they would).

2) The best base argument is biased against boxing since elite level boxers don't participate in the MMA. On the other hand, the elite level wrestlers have no means to make big money besides the MMA and thus you get to see more of the best of the best wrestlers in the MMA rather than the boxers.

A elite boxer has the speed and athletism to transition well into MMA. They have to cross train but just like all other stylist they wold do well.


Marcus Davis was not that elite and he has done well. Jeremy Williams was as close to elite as a Boxer in MMA can get and he is undefeated with 7 wins.

 

[mateof5]

You most've not read my post. IF we're going to pick one fighting style to beat other styles(like the early days) then only sub arts would be good. Wrestling is worth less without either stiking or sub def. name one decent boxer that was in the early UFC's? I'd take a prime Mike Tyson over prime Royce any day. my post is about the best syles as a base and then develope other styles around that base and i think it's easily boxing

Royce would eat Mike for lunch in his prime.

 

[mr.allday]

I'd say Manny would devope into a MMA fighter faster and better then either of those two. Hunt is a boxer that fought in KickBoxing and was pretty sucessfull. Would Hunt be Sucessfull in the upper levels of Boxing? No way. The Overall level of athlete in top levels of boxing is much higher then Kick Boxing and it's easy to see why looking at the pay difference. If kickboxing had higher pay/ fame then boxing then the opposite would be true

So now pay has something to do with it, great I knew I should have stopped arguing with you when I had the chance. Boxing is a far more popular sport and that is why they get paid so much more, not because they are more skilled in the art of fighting. And sadly the HW division in boxing is so weak right now, I believe Hunt would do well if he refined his boxing skill. I doubt anyone would KO him anyway he took a full on LHK from Cro Cop, got mad and kept coming , to me that says alot.

 

[Corona]

I could care a less about Hunt, but are you trying to tell me Manny would step in and do better, if you are I will retire laughing.

no my point was more directed at the person you were quoting, i was just to lazy to find it lol.. and i don't think any boxer can come into mma and just dominate like grapplers have in the past.

 

[Atomic_blast]

Ok maybe I was a little hasty on that, but Both of those guys are kickboxers and that gives them an edge on Manny right there, they use more of their bodies to fight. If he picked the right camp he could do very well eventually.

Hun is not a ACTUAL kickboxer. He is a super heavyweigt Boxer who does not like kicking but still won a K-1 GP.



Get it right.

 

[symphonyx547**]

take a good look at mark hunts record... 5-4... 3 wins coming against mediocre competition and the other two against much smaller strikers... all 4 losses are to grapplers in the first round.

Hunt hasn't devoped his grappling game like he should and also was kinda feed to the wolfes. There's no one that has fought that hard of Comp straight out of the gate. Combine that with the fact he has a frame of 185er but obese it's easy to see why he isn't doing better

 

[Corey Roberts]

Not to many Boxers were in those tournaments genius.

And low level BJJ > low level Muay Thai.

World Champion BJJ > World Champion Muay Thai

But in Igor's case as he prove in 1995.

Low level Boxer > World Champion BJJ.

Muay Thai don't compliment everyone just like Boxing don't compliment everyone. Not everyone likes to kick and not everyone has the eluvsines and rhythmn of a prime Roy Jones Jr to be dangerous Boxer. Many prefer to throw sloppy hey makers and kicks and others like to have solid footwork and head movements.

That is why you see many MMA fights prefer Boxing and others prefer MT. To each their own.

I don't know which is the best base because it is all an opinion. I was a amature Boxer and now train in Boxing and MT with BJJ which I taken for 9 years. If I said Boxing I would sound bias but all in all I would rather not choose any because it is all speculation.

We're arguing about base, the best background to have coming into MMA. My argument is boxing isn't that BJJ is.

I edited my first post cause people were giving me shit that i didn't read the full OP. The points TS points out don't really have anything to do with boxing except the chin part, but boxing doesn't teach you anything that muay thai doesn't i.e taking a hit etc and cause muay thai teaches you to defend/use more strikes it's a better STRIKING base, not overall base.

Untill pro boxers man the fuck up and take part in a tournament like they had in the old days the best base will always be either BJJ or wrestling.

 

[Corona]

Hunt hasn't devoped his grappling game like he should and also was kinda feed to the wolfes. There's no one that has fought that hard of Comp straight out of the gate. Combine that with the fact he has a frame of 185er but obese it's easy to see why he isn't doing better

sokodjou was thrown into the wolves, he has a strong judo backround, and he ko'd two top 10 fighters.


also, history has shown us that it is much easier to learn good striking for mma than it is to learn good grappling.

 

[j3richo]

Royce would eat Mike for lunch in his prime.

lol, ya right

 

[x_rapid_fire_x]

I think Wrestling is the best base for mma. If you look at the successfull fighters in mma most of them are wrestling based.

 

[RC_KOBRA]

well I see were you coming form about boxing/strinking being the best base...but whatever ppl around here all have diffrint views, any ways the thing I think is unfair is about the weak chin part.

MMA gloves are "unforgiving" like Rogan said one time, and to say grappler don't have heart is stupid....the dude with the biggest heart in mma is Nog and he is a grappler, what about Saku, and many others. then you got dudes like GG Eric shafer that don't but there are a lot strikers that don't ether so suck it.

 

[mr.allday]

no my point was more directed at the person you were quoting, i was just to lazy to find it lol.. and i don't think any boxer can come into mma and just dominate like grapplers have in the past.

I whole heartedly agree! Its a new sport. MMA is not what it used to be. You have to be more than proficient in so many areas to be a true champion, or even a good fighter.

 

[symphonyx547**]

So now pay has something to do with it, great I knew I should have stopped arguing with you when I had the chance. Boxing is a far more popular sport and that is why they get paid so much more, not because they are more skilled in the art of fighting. And sadly the HW division in boxing is so weak right now, I believe Hunt would do well if he refined his boxing skill. I doubt anyone would KO him anyway.

Of course pay has alot to do with it. If a guy had equal skills at boxing and MMA that guy would go to boxing becasue the pay is 100 times higher. There is not one TOP boxer to try and make the transition to MMA like there has been with BJJ, Wrestling and guess why? you can't make much money in either of those sports competeting.

Just think if there was no such thing as NFL, NBA, and pro boxing and many of the best athletes were training in MMA do you really think the likes of Kenny Florian would be a factor? There will come a time like in every other sport that has been around that technique alone will not cut it and you'll have to be a beast naturally

 

[chino0503]

believe it haters... its the strikers era now. bjj to wrestlers to strikers.... its just how it is... deal with it. you got wrestlers like kos and evans knocking people out now.... you got fighters like dos santos kncoking verdum out... you got.... fill in the BLANK!!!! its the strikers era now baby!!!!

 

[YourfatherII]

I wouldn't.

neither would I..