Discussion in 'The War Room' started by PEB, Feb 12, 2016.
It was amazing but I have not found the lead in that explains how this got started.
There was not really a lead, it was a foreign policy question.
Kind of an odd target considering most Bernie supporters (young folk) have 0 clue who Kissinger is.
The young folk can always boot up the old google to find out who Kissinger is.
They could, and should, but we all know that most of them won't.
Again, nothing wrong with taking down Kissinger, just an odd target in 2016.
I wan't aware Kissinger was still relevant. He's certainly getting up there in years.
This is why I could never vote for an ideologue.
I thought Clinton's response to that was very good.
I didn't watch it, how did she respond?
Basically, she said she takes advice from lots of people and doesn't agree with everything any of them say, but she takes the good from them. There are people she disagrees with that she still can learn from, etc. Mentioned China specifically with regard to Kissinger.
Gotcha. People can think Kissinger is a piece of shit human being but few know as much about him when it comes to foreign policy.
i think most people, in general, have only a vague idea who Mr. Kissinger is. if they think anything, they probably see him as that "elder statesman" kinda guy, but his history in foreign affairs is very troubling.
when you consider the reality that as Secretary of State, Mrs. Clinton pressed the flesh with so many world leaders and leading thinkers in foreign policy, its very peculiar (and unsettling) that she'd highlight Mr. Kissinger's name to burnish her resume.
'ol Henry has alot of blood on his hands, and by any reasonable measure, is a war criminal.
Americans were learning about who he actuallly is and what he actually did last night, if they didn't already know; https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...secretary-of-state-on-google-henry-kissinger/.
Kissinger also courted China away from the USSR and his theories on national defense lead us away from nuclear war.
If there was no Henry Kissinger the Cold War could have gone very differently in a bad way.
Good way to highlight Hillary's hawk-ish ways, surprised he didn't take her to task for the mess that is Libya(since he referenced the overthrow of power in Cambodia).
the "if there was no Henry Kissinger" permutations are kind of endless, and who is to say whether the outcome would have been better or worse?
we can debate this sort of thing endlessly, PolishHeadlock. one could reasonably say that if there was no Kissinger, the Vietnam war would have ended in the Johnson administration - and many lives that were lost would not have been.
we can say, with great certainty, that if Henry Kissinger hadn't existed, then President Nixon would have had a different statesman working for him, and who knows what the result might have been?
i get your point, but its hard to make any conclusions. we'd be just guessing.
what we know is that Mr. Kissinger did serve in the Nixon cabinet, and his record during the Vietnam war speaks for itself.
Clinton talked up her relationship with Kissinger in the last debate. That's the origin of this exchange.
I am probably more knowledgeable than most people my age on Kissinger (I am 28, so that is not saying much) and the guy definitely has more blood on his hands than most. Like most people though, he had his positives and his negatives.
Literally all I am saying is that Kissinger is an odd choice for Sanders to latch on to. He could have gone for Albright, who is at least in the news, and whose record is something he can more readily relate to.
Then again, maybe the Kissinger attack was an attempt to relate to older voters, who Sanders is having trouble attacking. But I do not know.
All I know is that China is probably one of the things you cannot attack Kissinger for, and that is the only area Clinton mentioned him with. Along with, as Jack said, taking what she deems as good, and leaving the rest.
This could be a trick as Bernie and Kissinger are both Socialist Jews. Both are lifelong politicians who've probably met or had lunch many times over the last 40 years.
hi and 'afternoon Sid,
i think the reason for Sanders' mentioning Mr. Kissinger are twofold;
1) he lived through, and came of political age during the height of Mr. Kissinger's atrocities and...
2) the bolded. most americans (certainly most liberals) over the age of 60 are very aware of Mr. Kissinger's initiatives in Chile...in Indochina...and of course in Laos/Cambodia/Vietnam. to describe his "achievements" as barbaric is probably an undersell.
This is probably the cutest thing I've heard all day.
Young Bernie fans don't even bother to find out where exactly all these "free money!", "free college!", "free healthcare!", "free stuffs!" he's offering them are coming from, and they'll actually take a break from watching The Bachelor to do some research on Henry Kissinger? Hahaha
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