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Bernie Sanders Destroys Henry Kissinger During Debate With Hillary

Discussion in 'The War Room' started by PEB, Feb 12, 2016.

  1. IGIT Silver Belt

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    hello Hallelujah,

    good point.

    now lets talk about ham. i can tell you want to, and i want to too!

    Fully Cooked Ham is cured -- either with a dry salt rub or in a wet brine -- and most often, smoked. While this type of ham is delicious as is, it benefits enormously from a few more hours in the oven with a sweetened glaze and sugar rub. For the best flavor, avoid hams whose labels read "ham, water added" or "ham and water product."
    (courtesy of Martha Stewart)

    - IGIT
     
  2. IGIT Silver Belt

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    hi AUR,

    you know...i hate to say this...

    ...but it worries me that Mr. Sanders didn't strike upon this point, immediately, in real time, when this was bought up at the last debate. he should have knocked this one out of the park, right there on the spot.

    he's a very "on message" candidate, but i wonder how light he is on his feet?

    - IGIT
     
  3. VivaRevolution Banned Banned

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    Yes, but people over 60 who Bernie doesn't do as well with, certainly do.
     
  4. VivaRevolution Banned Banned

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    I thought it was a really good response back on her part, until she said we don't know who Bernie would listen to, and he responded, "Well certainly not Kissinger".
     
  5. VivaRevolution Banned Banned

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    I think his response to Clinton's criticisms on Obama showed he is pretty agile here......."I am not the one who ran against Obama"

    I don't think that was prepared.
     
  6. Anung Un Rama Idol of Millions Platinum Member

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    Hi IG,

    I don't think its not being light on his feet as much as being too focused. You could tell his campaign said the same thing you did after the previous debate: how did you miss that opportunity?! Regardless I have noticed that he has handicapped himself a bit.
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    1. By design, he has vowed to not go negative. Even a slight hint of directly attacking Clinton is portrayed as villainy by the Clinton campaign. This actually hurt him in IA.
    2. By circumstance, his #1 priority is getting his message out against one of the most well known names in politics while fighting against the establishment. For many he seems like he may be malfunctioning like Rubio, but the fact is, Obama knows what he's doing *zzzfx! I mean he is still a relative unknown and needs to stay on message (not only that, but everything comes from fixing financial corruption).
    3. By philosophy, he is opposed to any GOP nominee winning. He has already acknowledged that he would support the winner of the DNC primary if it wasn't him. This was both a strategic mistake and another hand tier. Strategic, because now he can't leverage his support for any significant influence he might have on a Clinton Administration. Hand tying, because now he has to beat Clinton, a ruthless politician and cunning debater, with kid gloves. He could ruin her on her own record alone, let alone the stark contrast to his on the same issu

    A more well known candidate with the same record as Sanders and equal establishment support from the DNC would have disemboweled Clinton's campaign by now.

    Best, Rama
     
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  7. kuromusha Silver Belt

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    He's still alive?
     
  8. PEB Great turntable of space and time dude

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    People may not know this but Henry Kissinger still runs a powerful consulting business. He has offices in New York and advises political and business leaders around the world still today. He is still an influencer today in world affairs.
     
  9. PEB Great turntable of space and time dude

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    Yes he is and still active on the world stage.
     
  10. IGIT Silver Belt

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    hi HRG,

    i thought it was an "ok" response on Mr. Sanders' part, you have a point.

    still...i think a far easier and more effective pivot would have been to simply remind the electorate of Mrs. Clinton's own, cynical, mocking criticisms of Senator Obama in 2008;

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/25/clinton-gets-sarcastic-mocks-obama/

    and i've leave it at that.

    - IGIT
     
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  11. IGIT Silver Belt

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    ahoy AUR,

    good post. i'm not saying Mr. Sanders is slow witted, either - and i agree that he's on message, and its a message he's been very consistent on for decades.

    i just think, given the amount of debate prep Mrs. Clinton goes through compared to Mr. Sanders, a live debate format might not be the best stage for him in this contest.

    that Kissinger remark was like a hanging curveball.

    in modern American politics, you gotta crush those, particularly if you're chasing the frontrunner.

    - IGIT
     
  12. KOQ24 Gold Belt

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    He still shows up in german political talkshows once a year.
     
  13. Anung Un Rama Idol of Millions Platinum Member

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    Agreed.
     
  14. Possum Jenkins Great Replacement Belt

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    Good point.

    But it wasn't really a "target," it just came out. Bernie isn't nearly as calculating and strategic as Hillary.
     
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    I think he was absolutely prepared with that one. It's an argument he's been beaten with the last two debates. There's no way on earth a competent debate prep wouldn't have a line at this point.

    Based on his performance this debate, while it wasn't crushing, it was better and showed more preparation. I think this is a good thing - Bernie's previous avoidance of debateprep had soured me on him.

    If you believe Sanders ad libs his way through his debates and doesn't prepare, Trump has a casino to sell you, barely financially struggling at all.
     
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    I agree, I really wanted Bernie to throw the SC commercial and African dress picture her campaign released on Obama in 08, back at her, but there does appear to be some calculus going on here on Bernie's part that I believe I am missing information on, to see the big picture.
     
  17. Possum Jenkins Great Replacement Belt

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    Yeah, Kissinger was the Rumsfeld of the 70s. If in 30 years someone says "I met with a lot of people including Rumsfeld... it doesn't mean I agree with them" it'd go over much better than if someone says that today.

    But Hillary's hawkish tendencies suggests that she agreed with a lot of Kissinger's points.
     
  18. VivaRevolution Banned Banned

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    I think he was doing debate prep before, but that the campaign had decided message discipline, and informing an electorate that largely was unaware of Senator Sanders platform, was of higher priority.

    We are finally seeing the real Bernie, and not his stump speech.

    As far as it being a prepared line, it could have been, especially since before the debate I read about this Clinton strategy of running as Obama 2.0. However, I disagree that Clinton had came at Bernie with this message before, she had been running on her experience, and trying to run to the left. This is a pretty major pivot on the Clinton campaign's part.
     
  19. Possum Jenkins Great Replacement Belt

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    How does "not nearly as calculating and strategic" = "he ad libs and doesn't prepare"?

    He obviously prepares and has strategy, I just don't think he lives by it the way Hillary does.
     
  20. Metusalemi Black Belt

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    As are rest of the KISS members.

























































    I'll just show myself out...
     

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