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Pete is GOAT tier. It would be a real shame if we couldn’t run him on a ticket, *maybe we could get away with him being VP? I dunno.
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Pete is GOAT tier. It would be a real shame if we couldn’t run him on a ticket, *maybe we could get away with him being VP? I dunno.
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@Substance Abuse is right.
Look at the GOP response when Kamala ran. Their entire mode of attack was steeped in identity politics, race baiting, and shitty misogynistic smears.
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What does Kamala have to do with Pete? They're both the same kind of failed candidates.. totally corporate owned and meant to serve the corporations. Neither one has a vision for the country that has any chance of healing the deep problems Americans face today.
Pete and Kamala are the same candidate and just more of the same and the Democratic party are so out of touch that they can't see it.
Bernie Sanders is the ideological leader of the democratic party and anyone that cant see that is partially responsible for why we have Trump.
Problem is he's not corrupt enough, cool enough, posh enough or some other shallow trait enough for The lost DNC Democrats to back him.
All Bernie has are the right ideas and apparently that's not enough for a corrupt Democratic party.
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Telp me again how many democrats voted for Buttigeg or Harris in '20 Primary?
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What Kamala has to do with Pete is that neither would be elected for the same reasons: Americans on the whole are straight up not ready to elect a woman, a woman of color, or an LGBTQ person. Period. The vast majority of the Right’s attacks on Pete are about things related to his sexual orientation, the vast majority of the Right’s attacks on Kamala were about her race or sex.
I like Bernie a lot, but he takes donations from most of the same groups that donated to Pete. Meanwhile, Trump has been in bed with lobbyists like Manafort and Stone since the 1980s and then didn’t stop him, Vance is in Peter Thiel’s back pocket and that didn’t stop him…
Unfortunately I didn’t get the opportunity to vote for Pete. My state has primaries so late that Biden was already the candidate and everyone else had dropped out by the time I got the chance to vote. I voted Bernie because he was about the only non-Biden option left in the race. If Pete ran in 2028 I’d definitely support him.
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I don’t think this is remotely accurate
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No, you are still completely caught up in identity politics and that's why you guys lost the election to Trump twice.
The reason neither of those candidates are viable candidates is because the country has moved on and sold out corporate democrats who have corporations interest in mind primarily will never be elected.
It was between a true populist in Bernie and a lying populist in Trump and the DNC tanked Bernie for Hillary and so everyone chose Trump.
We are very near to being a failing empire at the very end where it's hollowing itself out and cannibalizing itself and you guys have no idea the times we live in. Nearly the entirety of the Democratic party seems completely unable to see the times we are in.
You guys have all learned the wrong lesson and the whole country is on the way to crashing with or without Trump because of it. Trump is only a symptom of the sold-out Democratic party and its failure to serve the American people for the last 30 years.
Bernie doesn't take a penny from any super packs so don't compare him to Pete. That is just a lie that you're telling. But also I'm not saying Bernie is the candidate. I think he's too old. I said he's the ideological leader of the party that the sold out corporate Democrats don't want.
The Republican party voting corporate candidates doesn't mean anything and you know it if you just think about who Trump is. Trump is a con man and a liar and a master manipulator and he has fooled his base into stupidly supporting him. That doesn't mean they wanted corporate. They were sure he wasn't corporate and was going to clean out the country from that kind of corruption.
They were stupid to believe it but they did believe it and thought they were voting in a populist.
Trump also capitalized masterfully on their hatred and fear.
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The right’s criticism of Kamala was that she was an absolute imbecile who clearly sucked dick when she was younger to get where she was, and was so far over her head running for the presidency that words don’t exist to describe her incompetence.
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Biden ran in like 3 primaries (and did hideously in all) before he beat the dogshit out of Trump.
Candidates can grow. Harris can never be likable, Buttigieg can.
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Yeah that’s accurate. I don’t think that has to do with her being a woman for being multiracial.
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You're free to disagree. I couldn't care less. I obviously think I'm right. If Kamala wasn't a black woman, she would have had more success. Considering the lack of time she had, disinformation, foreign influence and social media pull from Musk and Zuck, along with people being idiots, she would have lost anyway, but my point still stands.
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At the end of the day, it's rare for the Dems to engage in long form interviews. You saw Trump and Vance everywhere hocking their bullshit, especially on low hanging fruit pods like this. Pete is well suited to this. Most Dems aren't. Him making these appearances is a good thing for that party.
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She may have had more success, but you're still failing to see the entire situation this country is in. We're in the late stages of a failing empire that is hollowing itself out on many levels and is running out of people to exploit, militarily spending all of its money abroad and can't take care of its citizens.
If we don't have a serious populist movement, it's just going to end in blood and destruction in the streets and we're nearly there right now because of trump but all he is is an accelerant for where we were already headed under a Democratic party that has abandoned its base to sell out to corporate money.
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But that's the thing and most of us know this to be true. Say the Dems had a politician that was even able to pull off one of the major things that all bases have been wanting (i.e. Medicare for All, increase in minimum wage, etc.) That would hurt both current Dems and Republicans. They would mess it up for almost every elected representative. Consequently any future candidates would be held to that same standard. This is why it will not happen....yet.
Here's an idea since you mentioned The New Deal what about bringing back The Workers Progress Administration (WPA)? Repubs always complain about people not working and leftists want a job program in America that assures a job. As long as it pays fairly, offers good health benefits and allows for competition with private industries it could work.
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They already hate white males
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The point was that democrats rejected the gay guy and the woman - no need for gop smears.
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Not even remotely, eh?
As soon as she became the candidate, the “DEI candidate” shit started. Because apparently despite being a district attorney, state AG, US Senator, and Vice President, she was “unqualified” compared to the 6-times bankrupt reality TV show host whom hundreds of historians voted worst POTUS ever.
Then it was the ol “Is she Indian or is she black?”—because apparently you aren’t allowed to be both, you know. I mean, white people can, but a POC has to choose. Lol.
Admitting to groping women on tape and being found liable for the rape of E. Jane Carroll didn’t stop Trump from getting elected twice, but Kamala’s consensual relationship with Willie Brown? Why, she’s sleeping her way to the top, of course!
And then it was, “Can you imagine her negotiating with world leaders?? Could you imagine her in a room with Putin?!”
When pressed if this view was because she’s a woman, the response was, “Oh no, of course not, she just doesn’t project strength!”
The attacks against Kamala rarely dealt with any policy, other than maybe yelling “open borders” over and over. Instead, it was a steady stream of racist and misogynistic dog whistles.
Since you’re calling me a liar, let’s address that first. My claim was “(Bernie) takes donations from most of the same groups that donate to Pete.”
Here is Pete’s top contributors from Open Secrets.
Top Contributors, federal election data for Pete Buttigieg, 2020 cycle
This page highlights the top contributors to Pete Buttigieg for the 2020 presidential election cycle. For more information, click through to the page.
www.opensecrets.org
We got Alphabet Inc, Univ of CA, Microsoft, Amazon, Kaiser Permanente, Apple,
AT &T, PACs for US Government, Dept of Defense…
Here’s Bernie’s list of top contributors from Open Secets. And allll those same groups are right there.
Top Contributors, federal election data for Bernie Sanders, 2020 cycle
This page highlights the top contributors to Bernie Sanders for the 2020 presidential election cycle. For more information, click through to the page.
www.opensecrets.org
—You may apologize to me when ready.
I find your perspective bizarre, to say the least. Dems are far from perfect, but we’re the only party who did anything worth a shit for the American people the past 30 years. You don’t think we realize what times we’re in?? Dude, we warned anyone who would listen—which wasn’t many, sadly—exactly wtf was coming if they were dumb enough to vote Trump. And you think *we* haven’t learned the right lessons? I think whomever voted for Trump, or stayed on the couch and didn’t vote Dem, hasn’t learned the right lessons.
They still haven’t learned that it’s trickle down economics that’s fucked everyone, not immigrants. They still haven’t learned that thanks to our conservative SCOTUS, dark money is rampant on both sides. Their hope of some magical “outsider” was bullshit. And look, the first vote I ever cast for POTUS was for Ross Perot, I get the allure. But the Voters. Fucked. Up. And they can all miss me with the “Dems made me do it” bullshit. No, their own ignorance and gullibility made them do it. Their complacency made them do it.
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I think you're just a low information voter, which basically means you're a centrist Democrat which makes you by nature low information. Low information because you're listening to corporate Democrats on the news tell you what's happening in the country from the perspective of the wealthy.Not even remotely, eh?
As soon as she became the candidate, the “DEI candidate” shit started. Because apparently despite being a district attorney, state AG, US Senator, and Vice President, she was “unqualified” compared to the 6-times bankrupt reality TV show host whom hundreds of historians voted worst POTUS ever.
Then it was the ol “Is she Indian or is she black?”—because apparently you aren’t allowed to be both, you know. I mean, white people can, but a POC has to choose. Lol.
Admitting to groping women on tape and being found liable for the rape of E. Jane Carroll didn’t stop Trump from getting elected twice, but Kamala’s consensual relationship with Willie Brown? Why, she’s sleeping her way to the top, of course!
And then it was, “Can you imagine her negotiating with world leaders?? Could you imagine her in a room with Putin?!”
When pressed if this view was because she’s a woman, the response was, “Oh no, of course not, she just doesn’t project strength!”
The attacks against Kamala rarely dealt with any policy, other than maybe yelling “open borders” over and over. Instead, it was a steady stream of racist and misogynistic dog whistles.
Since you’re calling me a liar, let’s address that first. My claim was “(Bernie) takes donations from most of the same groups that donate to Pete.”
Here is Pete’s top contributors from Open Secrets.
Top Contributors, federal election data for Pete Buttigieg, 2020 cycle
This page highlights the top contributors to Pete Buttigieg for the 2020 presidential election cycle. For more information, click through to the page.
We got Alphabet Inc, Univ of CA, Microsoft, Amazon, Kaiser Permanente, Apple,
AT &T, PACs for US Government, Dept of Defense…
Here’s Bernie’s list of top contributors from Open Secets. And allll those same groups are right there.
Top Contributors, federal election data for Bernie Sanders, 2020 cycle
This page highlights the top contributors to Bernie Sanders for the 2020 presidential election cycle. For more information, click through to the page.
—You may apologize to me when ready.
I find your perspective bizarre, to say the least. Dems are far from perfect, but we’re the only party who did anything worth a shit for the American people the past 30 years. You don’t think we realize what times we’re in?? Dude, we warned anyone who would listen—which wasn’t many, sadly—exactly wtf was coming if they were dumb enough to vote Trump. And you think *we* haven’t learned the right lessons? I think whomever voted for Trump, or stayed on the couch and didn’t vote Dem, hasn’t learned the right lessons.
They still haven’t learned that it’s trickle down economics that’s fucked everyone, not immigrants. They still haven’t learned that thanks to our conservative SCOTUS, dark money is rampant on both sides. Their hope of some magical “outsider” was bullshit. And look, the first vote I ever cast for POTUS was for Ross Perot, I get the allure. But the Voters. Fucked. Up. And they can all miss me with the “Dems made me do it” bullshit. No, their own ignorance and gullibility made them do it. Their complacency made them do it.
And the stats you gave me about donations between Bernie and Pete are just either meant to lie about Bernie or you're using them to lie about Bernie. Note that Republicans use this to slander Bernie on this site all the time and lie about where his money comes from.
Bernie takes money from individual voters small donations. He doesn't take any money from any super pacs of any kind.
Pete takes tons of money from corporate super pacs and is a bought and paid for a shill who when he gets into office will return the favors to all those wealthy super packs and the wealthy corporate interest behind them.
If you can't concede the massive difference between Bernie and Pete on that issue that just proves my point about you being a low information voter.
I never said the Democrats don't do more than the Republicans. What I said is that both parties are doing so little that we are on the way to violence in this country and Trump is just a symptom of what was already happening under Obama and Clinton.
When I say you fail to recognize the times we're in, I mean it. You're completely oblivious if you think going back to what we had before with Clinton and Obama and Biden is going to solve the ills of this country, you're just wrong.
The reason the Democrats lost to the worst candidate in history twice is because of their allegiance to corporate money instead of to citizens of the United States.
All Trump did to speed up the process of what is coming no matter what if we don't get rid of corporate scumbags.
Pete is a corporate scumbag.
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Not even remotely, eh?
As soon as she became the candidate, the “DEI candidate” shit started. Because apparently despite being a district attorney, state AG, US Senator, and Vice President, she was “unqualified” compared to the 6-times bankrupt reality TV show host whom hundreds of historians voted worst POTUS ever.
Then it was the ol “Is she Indian or is she black?”—because apparently you aren’t allowed to be both, you know. I mean, white people can, but a POC has to choose. Lol.
Admitting to groping women on tape and being found liable for the rape of E. Jane Carroll didn’t stop Trump from getting elected twice, but Kamala’s consensual relationship with Willie Brown? Why, she’s sleeping her way to the top, of course!
And then it was, “Can you imagine her negotiating with world leaders?? Could you imagine her in a room with Putin?!”
When pressed if this view was because she’s a woman, the response was, “Oh no, of course not, she just doesn’t project strength!”
The attacks against Kamala rarely dealt with any policy, other than maybe yelling “open borders” over and over. Instead, it was a steady stream of racist and misogynistic dog whistles.
Let’s be 100% clear: Biden explicitly stated he was going to pick a women VP prior to selecting Harris. By that very action, her selection was based on immutable factors thus making her a “DEI hire”. This doesn’t negate her background and doesn’t necessarily mean she was unqualified. It does mean that the pool of candidates was limited based on gender thereby making the decision based on DEI.
This is indisputable.
This was always going to carry with her and rightfully so. The same with his SC pick. You don’t get to limit the selection pool based on immutable characteristics, base your pick on DEI and then moan when people call it a DEI hire. They both were indisputably DEI hires.
To repeat myself, this doesn’t speak to qualifications.
The question of “Indian versus black” were voiced by vicious members of the right, there is no questioning that. Her vocal and mannerism changes depending on location played into this and gave credence to her “switching” strategy which led to the criticism gaining momentum.
Is it in dispute that she gained initial prominence due to her sleeping with Willie Brown? That’s your argument here?
The speaking with world leaders issue was due to her “word salad” speech patterns. It had nothing to do with her being a woman. More that she was an empty suit. The same criticism was held for Beto. She encapsulates the very definition of having no independent thought or ability to thing on her feet. No one said Hilary couldn’t deal with world leaders. Kamala was uniquely incapable of commanding respect due to her inability to speak at all.
I won’t address your points about Trump because he is uniquely unqualified for the position he currently holds and it stands to reason that he’s an absolute idiot.
