Elections Bernie/AOC 2028 ticket

[Cantalope]

I want Obama vs Trump, what you talking about

I meant Obama would beat Trump by a landslide.

 

[BFoe]

I think you're just a low information voter,

I just provided you with some info about Bernie’s contributions that you didn’t seem to know, so it sounds like you are the low information voter.

which basically means you're a centrist Democrat

I’m not a centrist Democrat. At least, don’t consider myself to be. I’m pretty solidly left wing, although I just call myself a liberal. I’m a Democrat by party affiliation, and I almost always vote Dem. But I have no issue criticizing Dem candidates or the DNC itself when I feel it’s warranted. I stay true to liberal ideals, not the DNC party line.

Low information because you're listening to corporate Democrats on the news tell you what's happening in the country from the perspective of the wealthy.

And the stats you gave me about donations between Bernie and Pete are just either meant to lie about Bernie or you're using them to lie about Bernie. Note that Republicans use this to slander Bernie on this site all the time and lie about where his money comes from.

Bernie takes money from individual voters small donations. He doesn't take any money from any super pacs of any kind.

Pete takes tons of money from corporate super pacs and is a bought and paid for a shill who when he gets into office will return the favors to all those wealthy super packs and the wealthy corporate interest behind them.

If you can't concede the massive difference between Bernie and Pete on that issue that just proves my point about you being a low information voter.

I never said the Democrats don't do more than the Republicans. What I said is that both parties are doing so little that we are on the way to violence in this country and Trump is just a symptom of what was already happening under Obama and Clinton.

When I say you fail to recognize the times we're in, I mean it. You're completely oblivious if you think going back to what we had before with Clinton and Obama and Biden is going to solve the ills of this country, you're just wrong.

The reason the Democrats lost to the worst candidate in history twice is because of their allegiance to corporate money instead of to citizens of the United States.

All Trump did to speed up the process of what is coming no matter what if we don't get rid of corporate scumbags.

Pete is a corporate scumbag.

Listen to you. The stats on campaign contributions I posted are “meant to lie”? It’s Open Secrets bud, they’re nonpartisan and pretty damn accurate.

Center for Responsive Politics (Open Secrets) - Bias and Credibility

LEAST BIASED These sources have minimal bias and use very few loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by appealing to emotion or

mediabiasfactcheck.com

Look, I like Bernie, he should’ve been the candidate in 2016 and it sucks he’s too old for that now—but it sounds to me like your emotions have gotten in the way and you just can’t bear to face the fact that Bernie takes contributions too, and from a lot of the same places.
This “corporate Dem scumbag” woo woo is an illusion that you’re desperately holding in to in the face of facts.

 

[WoozyFailGuy]

I meant Obama would beat Trump by a landslide.

The Obama nostalgia was proven dead a long time ago. He's become pathetic, every campaign event he went to was an attempt to shame people that wanted actual policy and it not only didn't help Kamala but seemingly hurt her.

Obama would get thoroughly and utterly crushed by Trump today. It wouldn't be as bad as the Kamala loss as nostalgia is much more powerful than a drooling retarded candidate like Kamala, would be a repeat of 2016, with the exception of Trump taking Nevada and sweeping Texas electoral votes.

Honestly, I can't believe there is a person who thinks that Obama would not only win today but in a landslide hahahaha. People aren't that nostalgic over a guy who helped reneg on the concept of Habeus Corpus, putting us on a standard of liberty somewhere around the 1100s, so he could continue firing predator missiles at american teenagers unimpeded.

I'll do you a solid and give you some advice: This is why you're losing. Your messaging is identical to what it was in 2012 since all that hope and change shit went out the window when the Left became the billionaire's party under Obama's tenure. You may have forgotten that his entire cabinet was sent in an email, they were chosen for him not the other way around.
As long as the "business dems" control the party, it will continue being an inefficient whinging machine, once Trump is gone and they have to face someone like Vance based only on policy, they're beyond fucked.

Barack was the biggest banker whore to have ever gotten into office and his legacy will rightfully be looked back on with far less reverence with time, hopefully by lefties as well so that we can break this corporate/banker whore uniparty (literally the main reason people voted for Donny) by your lot putting forth a candidate in the future that I and anyone else who isn't privy to retarded "muh democracy" propaganda would actually consider voting for.

 

[terrapin]

I just provided you with some info about Bernie’s contributions that you didn’t seem to know, so it sounds like you are the low information voter.

I’m not a centrist Democrat. At least, don’t consider myself to be. I’m pretty solidly left wing, although I just call myself a liberal. I’m a Democrat by party affiliation, and I almost always vote Dem. But I have no issue criticizing Dem candidates or the DNC itself when I feel it’s warranted. I stay true to liberal ideals, not the DNC party line.


Listen to you. The stats on campaign contributions I posted are “meant to lie”? It’s Open Secrets bud, they’re nonpartisan and pretty damn accurate.

Center for Responsive Politics (Open Secrets) - Bias and Credibility

LEAST BIASED These sources have minimal bias and use very few loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by appealing to emotion or

mediabiasfactcheck.com

Look, I like Bernie, he should’ve been the candidate in 2016 and it sucks he’s too old for that now—but it sounds to me like your emotions have gotten in the way and you just can’t bear to face the fact that Bernie takes contributions too, and from a lot of the same places.
This “corporate Dem scumbag” woo woo is an illusion that you’re desperately holding in to in the face of facts.

See you went line by line but you didn't address a thing I said.

You tried to compare Pete and Bernie's campaign contributions as if there was some kind of similarity. Pete takes massive money from super pacs and corporate donors and Bernie doesn't. You know that but you tried to pretend and obfuscate that and instead frame it like they have the same donor base.

Being a high information voter, you don't need me to tell you that that's the thing about Bernie that makes him different than Pete rather than similar. But you tried to argue for similar.

Pete and Bernie could not be further apart and in fact people that like Bernie literally despise Pete because he's everything we hate. He's fake. He's slick. He's owned by corporate Dems and he doesn't want to make any real changes and that means he's stupid enough to not see the dangerous times we are in because of the Democrats failure to serve this country.


That's what I called you out on by trying to conflate the two and pretend there's a similarity.

 

[Siver!]

He seems pretty moderate

That one loon didn't think so

 

[Rob Battisti]

That one loon didn't think so

Loons never do

 

[BFoe]

See you went line by line but you didn't address a thing I said.

You tried to compare Pete and Bernie's campaign contributions as if there was some kind of similarity. Pete takes massive money from super pacs and corporate donors and Bernie doesn't. You know that but you tried to pretend and obfuscate that and instead frame it like they have the same donor base.

Being a high information voter, you don't need me to tell you that that's the thing about Bernie that makes him different than Pete rather than similar. But you tried to argue for similar.

Pete and Bernie could not be further apart and in fact people that like Bernie literally despise Pete because he's everything we hate. He's fake. He's slick. He's owned by corporate Dems and he doesn't want to make any real changes and that means he's stupid enough to not see the dangerous times we are in because of the Democrats failure to serve this country.


That's what I called you out on by trying to conflate the two and pretend there's a similarity.

Oh you mean like these?

Shadow group provides Sanders super PAC support he scorns

WASHINGTON (AP) — Bernie Sanders says he doesn’t want a super PAC. Instead, he has Our Revolution, a nonprofit political organization he founded that functions much the same as one.

apnews.com

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/bernie-sanders-super-pac-218478

Like Bernie, Pete also swore off super PACs created specifically to back him. But like Bernie, he does benefit from other PACs and super PACs that exist.
That’s life. It sucks, I welcome a constitutional amendment to change that, but this is the reality,

I obfuscated nothing,
I lied about nothing.

Go ahead and man up and apologize for calling me a liar now.

 

[Cantalope]

The Obama nostalgia was proven dead a long time ago. He's become pathetic, every campaign event he went to was an attempt to shame people that wanted actual policy and it not only didn't help Kamala but seemingly hurt her.

Obama would get thoroughly and utterly crushed by Trump today. It wouldn't be as bad as the Kamala loss as nostalgia is much more powerful than a drooling retarded candidate like Kamala, would be a repeat of 2016, with the exception of Trump taking Nevada and sweeping Texas electoral votes.

Honestly, I can't believe there is a person who thinks that Obama would not only win today but in a landslide hahahaha. People aren't that nostalgic over a guy who helped reneg on the concept of Habeus Corpus, putting us on a standard of liberty somewhere around the 1100s, so he could continue firing predator missiles at american teenagers unimpeded.

I'll do you a solid and give you some advice: This is why you're losing. Your messaging is identical to what it was in 2012 since all that hope and change shit went out the window when the Left became the billionaire's party under Obama's tenure. You may have forgotten that his entire cabinet was sent in an email, they were chosen for him not the other way around.
As long as the "business dems" control the party, it will continue being an inefficient whinging machine, once Trump is gone and they have to face someone like Vance based only on policy, they're beyond fucked.

Barack was the biggest banker whore to have ever gotten into office and his legacy will rightfully be looked back on with far less reverence with time, hopefully by lefties as well so that we can break this corporate/banker whore uniparty (literally the main reason people voted for Donny) by your lot putting forth a candidate in the future that I and anyone else who isn't privy to retarded "muh democracy" propaganda would actually consider voting for.

At least Obama could speak beyond a grade level. Have fun listening to Marjorie Trailer Greene and the rest of the Biker Meth MAGA crowd while Mr. "Art of the Deal" keeps getting bodied by China.

 

[terrapin]

Oh you mean like these?

Shadow group provides Sanders super PAC support he scorns

WASHINGTON (AP) — Bernie Sanders says he doesn’t want a super PAC. Instead, he has Our Revolution, a nonprofit political organization he founded that functions much the same as one.

apnews.com

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/bernie-sanders-super-pac-218478

Like Bernie, Pete also swore off super PACs created specifically to back him. But like Bernie, he does benefit from other PACs and super PACs that exist.
That’s life. It sucks, I welcome a constitutional amendment to change that, but this is the reality,

I obfuscated nothing,
I lied about nothing.

Go ahead and man up and apologize for calling me a liar now.

I will apologize for calling you a liar, but you are still trying to obfuscate and pretend that Pete is anywhere near the level of integrity that Bernie is on any level. And Pete's using his slick lying scumbag acting to do the same.

The way Bernie uses corporate funds is totally different than the way Pete does and Pete's just shunning corporate funds because he sees a lane to go after Bernie's position even though he's a lying c*** and will never fight for anything for the American people.

And you are naive enough to fall for a slick piece of s*** like Pete who is the same old same old. Pete is the exact kind of people that got us Trump over the real thing in the first place.

If you vote for that liar, just expect the same old half baked limp-wristed attempt to do anything for the American people while he's sucking the cock of corporations.

And just remember man, that kind of garbage got us Trump and has almost wrecked to the country. And even if Trump hadn't come along, that kind of s*** is going to wreck the country.


And he'll probably lose anyway to the next Republican candidate because people can see what you being so high information of a voter can't see and then you'll blame it on him being gay instead of him being a corporate piece of s***.

 

[UFCUCF]

Right, the only other way is changing the Constitution, unless of course he just tries to go rogue in some other way, which is a distinct possibility. The idea of changing the Constitution is laughable at a time when politics is so divided; it isn't going to happen.

They both would struggle with that idea, and I'm sure Obama wouldn't run like that. Trump might try that as a last-ditch effort if he could really get Vance to kiss the ring and promise to hand over the presidency.

Trump could also run as a VP for a different candidate;

The 12th Amendment says: “But no person constitutionally ineligible for the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.”

Trump needs to read it all the way to the end. I have heard this plan too, I don’t see how the Constitution gives wiggle room here.

 

[joy2day]

The 12th Amendment says: “But no person constitutionally ineligible for the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.”

Trump needs to read it all the way to the end. I have heard this plan too, I don’t see how the Constitution gives wiggle room here.

It's actually debated because of ambiguity between the 12th and the 22nd Amendments.

• 22nd Amendment: This amendment states that "No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice." It restricts individuals from being elected president more than twice but does not explicitly prohibit someone from serving as president more than twice if they ascend to the office through other means, such as succession.
• 12th Amendment: It specifies that "no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President." The key question here is whether being barred from election to the presidency (as per the 22nd Amendment) equates to being "constitutionally ineligible" to the office itself.

This constitutional ambiguity has not been tested in practice. No two-term president has attempted to run for vice president, so the courts have not had the opportunity to provide a definitive interpretation. Any attempt by a former two-term president to run for vice president would likely result in legal challenges, and the ultimate decision would rest with the judiciary.

While the Constitution does not explicitly forbid a two-term president from running for vice president, the interplay between the 22nd and 12th Amendments creates a gray area. Until this issue is tested in court, the legality of such a move remains uncertain.

 

[UFCUCF]

They wouldn't need to. Just have the ex-president run as the VP, then have their running mate cede the presidency to them after the election. I would hope that doesn't happen, but in theory it could.

It's actually debated because of ambiguity between the 12th and the 22nd Amendments.

• 22nd Amendment: This amendment states that "No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice." It restricts individuals from being elected president more than twice but does not explicitly prohibit someone from serving as president more than twice if they ascend to the office through other means, such as succession.
• 12th Amendment: It specifies that "no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President." The key question here is whether being barred from election to the presidency (as per the 22nd Amendment) equates to being "constitutionally ineligible" to the office itself.

This constitutional ambiguity has not been tested in practice. No two-term president has attempted to run for vice president, so the courts have not had the opportunity to provide a definitive interpretation. Any attempt by a former two-term president to run for vice president would likely result in legal challenges, and the ultimate decision would rest with the judiciary.

While the Constitution does not explicitly forbid a two-term president from running for vice president, the interplay between the 22nd and 12th Amendments creates a gray area. Until this issue is tested in court, the legality of such a move remains uncertain.

Under the usual rules of statutory interpretation there isn’t an ambiguity. A 2 term president is constitutionally barred per the 22nd amendment. He therefore can’t run for VP. I’m not suggesting that isn’t what Trump land is arguing, to win you have to not use plain English correctly.

 

[joy2day]

Under the usual rules of statutory interpretation there isn’t an ambiguity. A 2 term president is constitutionally barred per the 22nd amendment. He therefore can’t run for VP. I’m not suggesting that isn’t what Trump land is arguing, to win you have to not use plain English correctly.

There is unfortunately enough ambiguity that it would go to court, which could end up before a MAGA judge like Cannon. As far as what the supreme court would eventually do, it's hard to say with the group that is in there now.

 

[ColemanwastheGOAT]

Bernie is too old now. He absolutely should have gotten the nod in 2016 instead of the Democrats shoving Hilary down our throats. We could have avoided all the MAGA bullshit.

The Democrat party would rather have MAGA than Bernie and they don't care what you or any of the voters think about it.

 

[Whippy McGee]

Vance / Gabbard 2028...

I take it back Trump 2028!!! That's right.... it won't be a Constitutional issue either.

Donald Trump Jr. / Eric Trump 2028 - 2036
Eric Trump / Ivanka Trump 2036 - 2044
Ivanka Trump / Baron Trump 2044 - 2052
Baron Trump / Kai Trump 2052 - 2060

I'd like to see a Vance / Gabbard ticket... they would crush any Democrats in debates.

 

[CatchnShoot]

Inauguration Ages.

1789-1797: George Washington (57)
1797-1801: John Adams (61)
1801-1809: Thomas Jefferson (57)
1809-1817: James Madison (57)
1817-1825: James Monroe (58)
1825-1829: John Quincy Adams (57)
1829-1837: Andrew Jackson (61)
1837-1841: Martin Van Buren (54)
1841-1841: William Henry Harrison (68)
1841-1845: John Tyler (51)
1845-1849: James Knox Polk (49)
1849-1850: Zachary Taylor (64)
1850-1853: Millard Fillmore (50)
1853-1857: Franklin Pearce (48)
1857-1861: James Buchanan (65)
1861-1865: Abraham Lincoln (52)
1865-1869: Andrew Johnson (56)
1869-1877: Ulysses S. Grant (46)
1877-1881: Rutherford Hayes (54)
1881-1881: James Garfield (49)
1881-1885: Chester Arthur (51)
1885-1889: Grover Cleveland (47)
1889-1893: Benjamin Harrison (55)
1893-1897: Grover Cleveland (55)
1897-1901: William McKinley (54)
1901-1909: Theodore Roosevelt (42)
1909-1913: William Howard Taft (51)
1913-1921: Woodrow Wilson (56)
1921-1923: Warren G. Harding (55)
1923-1929: Calvin Coolidge (51)
1929-1933: Herbert Hoover (54)
1933-1945: Franklin D. Roosevelt (51)
1945-1953: Harry Truman (60)
1953-1961: Dwight Eisenhower (62)
1961-1963: John F. Kennedy (43)
1963-1969: Lyndon B. Johnson (55)
1969-1974: Richard Nixon (56)
1974-1977: Gerald Ford (61)
1977-1981: Jimmy Carter (52)
1981-1989: Ronald Reagan (69)
1989-1993: George H.W. Bush (64)
1993-2001: Bill Clinton (46)
2001-2009: George W. Bush (54)
2009-2017: Barack Obama (47)
2017-2021: Donald J. Trump (70)
2021-2025: Joe Biden (78)
2025-2029: Donald J. Trump (78)

Yeah.... three straight administrations of ancient fucks. ENOUGH, says I.

 

[CatchnShoot]

Vance / Gabbard 2028...

I take it back Trump 2028!!! That's right.... it won't be a Constitutional issue either.

Donald Trump Jr. / Eric Trump 2028 - 2036
Eric Trump / Ivanka Trump 2036 - 2044
Ivanka Trump / Baron Trump 2044 - 2052
Baron Trump / Kai Trump 2052 - 2060

I'd like to see a Vance / Gabbard ticket... they would crush any Democrats in debates.

lol.... Vance is a moron.

That said..... Play through Troll.

 

[Whippy McGee]

lol.... Vance is a moron.

That said..... Play through Troll.

^^^ Troll job failed.

 

[ShadowRun]

Typical alarmist

 

[Codpiece]

lol.... Vance is a moron.

That said..... Play through Troll.

I get not liking Vance’s policies or thinking he’s a flip-flopper for changing his position on Trump, but he’s not a moron. Unless his brand is tarnished beyond repair through this admin he’s a good chance to run and win in 2028.